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hillary and mccain won new hampshire
    #7850517 - 01/08/08 09:09 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

yuck

hillary is a pandering bitch...she wont stand up to the nutso right

mccain was a good guy but he has slowly let the neocons infect his brain.

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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7850605 - 01/08/08 09:23 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

mccain is not a good guy
he wants to stay in iraq for 100 years


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Coaster]
    #7850672 - 01/08/08 09:33 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

they both suck. but in life or death, i would take mccain.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7850694 - 01/08/08 09:37 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

I don't think the Neocons infected McCain's brain so much as he's still got the crazy-POW thing going on.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7850707 - 01/08/08 09:40 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

personally i think hillary has no chance of winning. obama could maybe win... edwards probably has the best chance being the white male thing. there are still too many bigot, hayseed idiots in this country


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7850740 - 01/08/08 09:48 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

im not so much worried about what hillary would do as POTUS so much as im worried that hillary will swing the repugnicans back towards giuliani or romney...mccain will be largely a continuation of king george..but thats still infinitely better than ghouliani...


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Annapurna1]
    #7850801 - 01/08/08 09:58 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Anyone have a good argument for why Americans, would vote for Rudy McRomney over Hillary?

Clearly, in the last two elections, voter turn out was hella higher for the democrats and Hillary still got more votes then the winning GOP Canidate in both states.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7850920 - 01/08/08 10:16 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

^ there arent any...but that never stopped zappa &co..who tragically represent the majority of voters...not to mention the fact that repugnicans have been known to cheat in the past...


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7852562 - 01/09/08 07:16 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Quote:

KingOftheThing said:
yuck

hillary is a pandering bitch...she wont stand up to the nutso right

mccain was a good guy but he has slowly let the neocons infect his brain.

:frown:





KOTT finally hit the nail on the head for once


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: BrAiN]
    #7852832 - 01/09/08 09:43 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Clinton Cries, Obama Dies.....


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7853683 - 01/09/08 01:33 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

and ron paul never lies


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Coaster]
    #7853750 - 01/09/08 01:46 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

And Phred likes meat pies


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Coaster]
    #7853751 - 01/09/08 01:46 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Except about whether or not he's a hood-wearing, cross-burning, black-hating racist.

But about the primary...

I would almost rather vote for John Mccain over Hillary Clinton.

And I have never voted for a Republican for any office, including dog-catcher.

Ever.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7853804 - 01/09/08 01:54 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

You broke the rhyme!!!!!

I agree.. I'd rather have McCain than Hillary. He's the only frontrunner in the entire election that shows a shred of intelligence.\

Although I still think he's a sellout


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7854126 - 01/09/08 02:52 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

McCain will be president for sure! He's better than Guiliani. After watching that bomb, bomb, bomb Iran video of his, I thought he wouldn't have a chance of getting elected. Now I realize the US public has woken up and wants to fight the terrorists until they are all destroyed. Yippie!


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Luddite]
    #7859245 - 01/10/08 12:35 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

I love your certainty.

No need to vote, Luddite has forseen the future!

Please.

Politics is less predictable than the lottery.

Or were you the one person in the country who knew how those N.H. primaries were going to go?


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7860835 - 01/10/08 06:07 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Why do you (anyone) hate hillary so much? and why McCain over hillary?


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: art]
    #7860863 - 01/10/08 06:17 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Hillary is better than Mccfag cuz Mccfag wants to continue raiding marijuana dispenserys and arresting sick people


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Re: Hillary and McCain won new Hampshire [Re: Coaster]
    #7863635 - 01/11/08 04:59 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

I think they are both sell outs. Honestly I would have been fine with McCain 4 or 8 years ago, but the whole backing off on torturing prisoners really put me off, of course this is McCains 3rd reincarnation of political stance, so really who the hell knows where he stands. The same is true for Clinton. This is her second reincarnation.

If the ballot is McCain vs Clinton I might actually vote 3rd party. But more likely vote Clinton, she actually has a libertarian streak in her, but alas it is only for the special interests that she sold out to.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Annapurna1]
    #7863698 - 01/11/08 05:59 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

> not to mention the fact that repugnicans have been known to cheat in the past...

... as have the democrats. Politicians, remember? Same coin, different side. It amazes me that some people seem to think there is a difference between the two groups, or that one party is somehow magically better than the other.

> Why do you (anyone) hate hillary so much?

Because I have studied her past and I know what kind of person she really is. People get upset when I call her evil, in the traditional sense of the word, but she is, which is why I don't like her. (hate is too strong of a word)

If you need more, then I don't care for her because of her voting record going against what she claims. She claims to want to end the war in Iraq, yet she continues to vote for funding the war. She blames violent media for the majority of the nations problems. She voted for the patriot act. She voted against same sex marriages. She voted for the National Intelligence Reform Act of 2004. She voted for the National Security Amendment and the Rail and Transit Security Amendment. She voted for REAL ID Funding.

She is nothing more than another globalist in the pocket of large spenders, be they Chinese spies or domestic pharmaceutical companies.

The same coin... republicans have big oil and democrats have big pharm.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Seuss]
    #7864225 - 01/11/08 10:08 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

hillary is more of king george..but the alternative is king george on steroids...


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Seuss]
    #7864401 - 01/11/08 10:51 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

I would mostly agree with that.

The Republicans want to spend your money on defense spending. The Democrats want to spend it on social issues.

Nobody is going to NOT spend your money though.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7864569 - 01/11/08 11:28 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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If you need more, then I don't care for her because of her voting record going against what she claims. She claims to want to end the war in Iraq, yet she continues to vote for funding the war. She blames violent media for the majority of the nations problems. She voted for the patriot act. She voted against same sex marriages. She voted for the National Intelligence Reform Act of 2004. She voted for the National Security Amendment and the Rail and Transit Security Amendment. She voted for REAL ID Funding.




I agree you with completely, I don't think obama seems much better though.

I don't mind so much that people are spending my money for social issues, it is the national security that pisses me off.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: art]
    #7864797 - 01/11/08 12:24 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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I don't mind so much that people are spending my money for social issues, it is the national security that pisses me off.




Well, that seems a little odd since the one, national security, is clearly mandated in the Constitution and the other is most definitely not. Perhaps you live in the wrong country. The guess here is that you pay a relatively paltry sum in taxes and receive far more benefits than your contribution would otherwise produce if you had to pay for them on the open market. Hence your love of "social" programs. I believe this to be true of almost all who espouse spending on social programs. Plain greed.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7864959 - 01/11/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

"Plain greed."

yep


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7864970 - 01/11/08 01:04 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

KingOftheThing said:
yuck

hillary is a pandering bitch...she wont stand up to the nutso right

mccain was a good guy but he has slowly let the neocons infect his brain.



:frown:




Hillary for prez is the Republicans best chance to recapture the whitehouse IMO.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7865055 - 01/11/08 01:31 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

art said:

I don't mind so much that people are spending my money for social issues, it is the national security that pisses me off.




Well, that seems a little odd since the one, national security, is clearly mandated in the Constitution and the other is most definitely not. Perhaps you live in the wrong country. The guess here is that you pay a relatively paltry sum in taxes and receive far more benefits than your contribution would otherwise produce if you had to pay for them on the open market. Hence your love of "social" programs. I believe this to be true of almost all who espouse spending on social programs. Plain greed.




What utter bullshit.

Probably the only thing that you got correct was the first thing you said. While money for defense is mandated in the Constitution, I dont think anyone thought it would reach what it has today.

Trillions and Trillions and Trillions of dollars are not needed to keep this country safe. Invading Iraq is not necessary to keep this country safe. You could cut military spending in half tomorrow, and no missiles would come raining down out of the sky.

Defense spending is just the conservatives pet projects. Where Democrats see money and think "Oooh, Medical Care!", Conservatives see money and think, "Ooooh, B-2's!".

Acting like the Democrats have a monopoly on wasteful spending is just moronic. The only difference is what you want to waste it on.

Our national security is not improved one wit by your wasteful spending.

What a fucking joke.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7865434 - 01/11/08 02:58 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

Word:thumbup:


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Icelander]
    #7865777 - 01/11/08 04:27 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

well said madtowntripper.

No, I do not pay that much in taxes because I am still going to school and do not have a full time job, but my family is in the top income tax bracket and are democrats. I am not the one getting helped out by most of the "social" programs, but I have helped out at shelters, and worked with kids who are and I have seen some the failures, and success. I think a lot of the government programs are pretty bad but that is why there are private charities. It is the republicans that don't want their money going anywhere except to themselves, that is greed. I am not saying that that is necessarily a bad thing, but it is greedy.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7868476 - 01/12/08 09:36 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

art said:


I don't mind so much that people are spending my money for social issues, it is the national security that pisses me off.




Well, that seems a little odd since the one, national security, is clearly mandated in the Constitution and the other is most definitely not. Perhaps you live in the wrong country. The guess here is that you pay a relatively paltry sum in taxes and receive far more benefits than your contribution would otherwise produce if you had to pay for them on the open market. Hence your love of "social" programs. I believe this to be true of almost all who espouse spending on social programs. Plain greed.




wrong again...read the preamble ..

Quote:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.




and furthermore..the paltry sums of taxes that ppl in every other western democracy pay for social services are the prices they would pay in an open market...while fascist apologists are loathe to admit it..there are some cases where government can produce goods and services more efficiently than crony capitalism..and pass those savings on to the customers...and (surprise..surprise..surprise)..if anyone dares call out the neocons on their crap..you simply accuse them of "plain greed"...


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Annapurna1]
    #7868538 - 01/12/08 09:56 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Spending tax money for general welfare is also mentioned in article 1, section 8 of the constitution as well.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: BrAiN]
    #7868716 - 01/12/08 11:23 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Giving handouts to assorted losers does not constitute "General" welfare ("Welfare" not yet having taken on the meaning of social programs when that was written). Further, defense spending as a percentage of GDP is historically low.
http://www.truthandpolitics.org/military-relative-size.php
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http://www.heritage.org/research/features/budgetchartbook/charts_s/s7.cfm


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7869191 - 01/12/08 02:02 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

I'm not saying it does as a metter of fact. I'm just saying "General Welfare" is pretty damn ambiguous. When the founding fathers wrote that term, they didn't really give too many specifics. Whoever is in power is going to translate it differently.

It's really up to the supreme court how far you can stretch the term "General Welfare". Their job is to INTERPRET the constitution. If the democrats give a bunch of welfare queens some food stamps and the judges say it's ok.. so be it.

And I agree with you about defense spending, Even during the height of the Vietnam war it didn't get to 10%. 10% is still a lotta money though.. money that COULD be back in my god damn pocket.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: BrAiN]
    #7869199 - 01/12/08 02:06 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Defense spending is currently around 4% GDP.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7869214 - 01/12/08 02:08 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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Defense spending is currently around 4% GDP.




I wonder how much welfare is

Or what the #1 spending category is


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: BrAiN]
    #7869222 - 01/12/08 02:11 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

The old "Welfare" is pretty much down but it has been replaced by a whole new bunch of entitlements.

Biggest is Soc Sec and Medicare/medicaid. By far.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Coaster]
    #7869288 - 01/12/08 02:37 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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mccain is not a good guy
he wants to stay in iraq for 100 years




At the present rate of production, Iraq's oil should last more than 100 years. We need to stay there at least that long to help funnel it all to our refineries.


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: Luddite]
    #7869351 - 01/12/08 02:58 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Luddite's 1000th post was about staying in Iraq for 100 years.

OooOOoooo 1000/100 is 10

and 9 + 11 + 2001 is 2021

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN!! IOMG THE GOVT MUST HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH 9/11!!! Luddite must have remote controlled that missle that hit the pentagon.. a missle that was in the shape of a plane!


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Re: hillary and mccain won new hampshire [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7870703 - 01/12/08 08:13 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Giving handouts to assorted losers does not constitute "General" welfare




least of all when the SCOTUS hands out the country to the loser of the election...


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