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Help me settle this argument
#7849267 - 01/08/08 05:33 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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If you were on a commercial airliner going the average speed and is about to crash, would you rather have it crash on land or in the ocean?
The plane is probably going 400+ MPH (i dunno the speed they would go) and has the ability to put the landing gear.
My friend and me have been arguing a lot about this, and i just want to see the Pub's opinions
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: Atheist]
#7849278 - 01/08/08 05:34 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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I voted land but at 400 MPH you are fucking dead either way.
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: Atheist]
#7849282 - 01/08/08 05:35 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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If you can put the landing gear out, and the pilot isn't dead, then land. At the height you would be at and speed I'm pretty sure water becomes the same thing as land on impact. Either way you're fucked if you're crashing.
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: Atheist]
#7849286 - 01/08/08 05:35 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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thats a tough one. you said the landing gears are good to go, but what if there isnt a clearing. if you crash in the ocean you might have a higher chance of surving (i dont know why). i would have to say the ocean.
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: Atheist]
#7849287 - 01/08/08 05:36 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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You're utterly boned either way.
If the plane has fuel left, it's a flying bomb.
They explode when they hit water too.
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7849300 - 01/08/08 05:38 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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yeah good, i said both situations are almost always totally deadly
but if the wheels come down, cant the plane atleast try to land on the earth?
and if it crashes in the ocean, isnt the plane ripped apart? drowning and death by sharks too
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: Atheist]
#7849327 - 01/08/08 05:42 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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I'm pretty sure you'd be dead before you had the chance to even think about drowning or sharks.
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: Atheist]
#7849329 - 01/08/08 05:42 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
Atheist said: yeah good, i said both situations are almost always totally deadly
but if the wheels come down, cant the plane atleast try to land on the earth?
and if it crashes in the ocean, isnt the plane ripped apart? drowning and death by sharks too
If we're talking a jumbo jet, you're not going to make the landing unless you're very lucky. They'd probably land gear up to avoid having all that structure ripped out , no place is going to be smooth enough.
Odds are good that SOME kind of fire is going to break out, and you're all crispy.
I'd much rather drown than burn to death.
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: Kid_Orgo]
#7849348 - 01/08/08 05:44 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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i said ocean. basically because i assumed the angle of approach was low enough to skip across the water you left out too many details on this so i guess we can all just be imaginative lol.
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: mycopsycho]
#7849509 - 01/08/08 06:10 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Why is it going to crash first of all?
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: Atheist]
#7849586 - 01/08/08 06:25 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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I said land cause it seems like it would be much more certain you would definitely die
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: Muppet]
#7849615 - 01/08/08 06:32 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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if you land on the ocean you have a chance to maybe skip across the water and no fires. I you put it down on land i guarantee your going to be a flamming shiskaboob.
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: creeder]
#7849961 - 01/08/08 07:45 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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at such high speeds the surface tension (or something like that ) of the water makes it basically the same as flying into a brick wall
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: x2and2makes5]
#7849973 - 01/08/08 07:46 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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it better *shakes fist*
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: Atheist]
#7850041 - 01/08/08 07:59 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Why crash at all? That's just silly.
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land. in water you have a bigger chance of sharks and other predators eating away at your dead body. at least on land there would presumably be more of you left to recover. possibly
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i say ocean simply because landing gear or not, theres no way youll live on land. ocean, i feel like there might be a freak chance that you could make it. it may or not be true. i dont know. i have never slept in a holiday in express.
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: trent]
#7850093 - 01/08/08 08:06 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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trent said: land. in water you have a bigger chance of sharks and other predators eating away at your dead body. at least on land there would presumably be more of you left to recover. possibly
who cares. i would rather be laid to rest in a sharks belly, in mother natures bathtub, than shipped to my family as a human stir fry.....
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7850187 - 01/08/08 08:22 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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theirs also the chance that if the plane was to sink in the ocean your gas mask might still work, giving you a chance to get out. If theirs a fire water will be close by
and who knows maybe a dolphin will try and save you
my vote is ocean
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7850199 - 01/08/08 08:23 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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actually, you stand a better chance on land. the ocean would give way allowing the plane to morph/bend and get utterly ripped apart, where as with land you stand a slim chance with a flat surface to slide on.
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7850205 - 01/08/08 08:24 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Id rather fly right into the pyramids  
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: thoughts]
#7850236 - 01/08/08 08:28 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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i think the biggest problem with land is the fact that you will hit a building
look at 9/11 supposedly 3 planes and they ALL disintegrated practically.
another couple planes went down in some other state and they "disintegrated" as well, so based on them flaky facts your chances are very slim on land
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7850263 - 01/08/08 08:32 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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how about you hit the beach/land on one half and the water on the other?
everybody wins.
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: appleorange]
#7850271 - 01/08/08 08:32 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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appleorange said: actually, you stand a better chance on land. the ocean would give way allowing the plane to morph/bend and get utterly ripped apart, where as with land you stand a slim chance with a flat surface to slide on.
as said above, i think if the wheels are up, if you are able to steer it, there may be a chance it could glide on the water. i would plan it so i circled near a coast, ran out of gas so i slowed down even just a little bit, and try to glide in towards shore.
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: Atheist]
#7850284 - 01/08/08 08:34 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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So Atheist, what is your objective in this situation? Are you hoping to survive? If so then you are fooling yourself. At that speed it doesn't matter where you are at, what angle you hit, and whether the gear is up or down. The plane will pretty much destroy itself in a spectacular fashion. Personally, I'd rather hit a nice solid surface pointed straight down at a 90 degree angle. Nice and quick, no time to suffer and no chance of living with a horribly life altering injury (severe burns, paralyzing injury, loss of limbs, etc). But if you are determined to have a chance of survival I guess you just take your chances either way with land or water. Like I said, that speed is pretty much a death sentence.
But if you had the ability to slow the approach while looking for a spot to crash then a belly landing on water might be the best bet. Remember this crash?....
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: ToTheSummit]
#7850297 - 01/08/08 08:37 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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you know i remember on tv YEARS ago they were talking about parachutes for planes, wtf ever happened to that?
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: ToTheSummit]
#7850300 - 01/08/08 08:37 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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yes! lets land on water so it makes us feel safer than before, that way our dying hope wont hurt as bad when we finally die from drowining like the fuckin titanic.
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: ToTheSummit]
#7850391 - 01/08/08 08:49 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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ToTheSummit said: Personally, I'd rather hit a nice solid surface pointed straight down at a 90 degree angle. Nice and quick, no time to suffer and no chance of living with a horribly life altering injury (severe burns, paralyzing injury, loss of limbs, etc).
my thoughts exactly
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: thoughts]
#7850416 - 01/08/08 08:52 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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If you could slow the speed of the plane and found a flat area to land using the landing gear, the aircraft could theoretically land intact. The question is how fast, and the angle of the landing. You are quite unlikely to happen upon a surface adequate for landing a commercial jet. Over the Oklahoma plains, maybe. Anywhere with trees, not so much.
In the ocean, the plane is too heavy to skip cleanly across the surface of the water. Sharks aren't a big problem, its the cold water.
Either way, you're not gonna survive. Most planes can glide far enough to a shitty nearby landing strip in the event of an engine failure.
Why don't we just pass out parachutes? Could the airlines really be that cheap?
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7850425 - 01/08/08 08:53 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: you know i remember on tv YEARS ago they were talking about parachutes for planes, wtf ever happened to that?
They have them, but only for small aircraft. And you have to be at a safe altitude to deploy them.
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Re: Help me settle this argument [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7850434 - 01/08/08 08:53 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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[url= This might help ya out. It may not be 400 miles per hour, but he lands it.
Edited by Ashford420 (01/08/08 08:54 PM)
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