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MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage?
#7848414 - 01/08/08 03:02 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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General info or personal experiences/doses please. From reading around I was thinking somewhere in the range of 10-15 grams powdered Mimosa but I'm not too sure on the MAOI.
Also I haven't found much info on pure oral DMT doses used with an MAOI.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7848582 - 01/08/08 03:37 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7848814 - 01/08/08 04:18 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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every source I've read says 3 grams rue is the best. beyond that you're not gaining any additional benefits from the maoi.
I'll be downing the same brew soon. Good luck.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Crasher]
#7849254 - 01/08/08 05:30 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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dude go 20 mhrb and 1.5 grams rue an hour before and 1.5 at the same time. just to make sure you dont puke all the maoi when the mhrb inevitably comes out.
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I was actually thinking about just taking pure DMT and the MAOI and skipping the purging part.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7849342 - 01/08/08 05:43 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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that is actaully a really good idea let us know how it is just do the math to figure out oral dosage find the percentage to wieght ratio of mhrb and figure it from there or erowid may have something i want to try this as well.
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I was thinking about doing a small extraction from 15g MHRB and doing like two pulls or something from it, then however much was extracted from it I'd down (since that would equal 15g MHRB).
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Crasher]
#7849453 - 01/08/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Crasher said: every source I've read says 3 grams rue is the best.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7849555 - 01/08/08 06:18 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Crasher]
#7849611 - 01/08/08 06:31 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Thanks.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7849618 - 01/08/08 06:32 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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No worries. Let me know how it goes as I'll be following the same 3 gram recipes.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Crasher]
#7849825 - 01/08/08 07:18 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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lot of info over at dmt nexus on oral dosing.
I would go with 2-3gr of rue, 45 min prior to ingesting the dmt. empty stomach. Do a lemon extract on your rue to avoid puking it all up when you take the dmt. dmt dose...depends how intense you wanna get. 150mg is pretty strong. PM me if you need any elaboration
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: enesi]
#7849841 - 01/08/08 07:22 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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I was thinking about extracting the harmaline from the rue too and taking that with the pure DMT all in capsules 
That way no vomiting.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7849899 - 01/08/08 07:34 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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It would be a lot easier and quicker to just do a lemon/water extraction on it.
take 50ml of lemon juice, 150ml of water. mix with ground up rue seeds. Let sit overnight. filter twice through coffee filters. drink up.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: enesi]
#7849927 - 01/08/08 07:39 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Yeah might be. I'll skip out on the full-out pharmahuasca then.
How does 100mg oral DMT + 3g Rue extract sound?
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7849943 - 01/08/08 07:42 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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100mg would be a good place to start. That's about where the OEV's start to appear, if you've smoked dmt before. the snowflake like swirling visuals will be very abundant at this dose, lol. Nothing like a breakthough though, so don't expect any entity contact or other worlds.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7849948 - 01/08/08 07:43 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Omni said: I was thinking about extracting the harmaline from the rue too and taking that with the pure DMT all in capsules 
This is the way I do it. I can give you some advice based on my experiences. Take the rue or harmaline extract first. Wait about 45 minutes to an hour then take the DMT extract. I've found that dosing the DMT crystals orally takes significantly more than smoking. The sweet spot is somewhere between 100 and 150mg. When you start to come down pack up your DMT pipe and keep smoking all night long. Fucking epic
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: enesi]
#7849952 - 01/08/08 07:44 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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I've only smoked it. I want to try out orally w/ an MAOI just to see if its any different.
How about 125 mg?
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: muistrue]
#7849980 - 01/08/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Oh and fractal dust I asked someone about the DMT salt thing and they found some info (I think it was you I was talking to about that)
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7849981 - 01/08/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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It's different orally. Not as intense for sure if you ask me.
Smoking it is like blasting out of a cannon, and ripping through the veil.
orally, it's like getting out of the cannon,crawling over and sliding under the veil discreetly, lol
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7849982 - 01/08/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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If you have a lot of experience smoking DMT do at least 150mg. You might be dissapointed with anything less than that.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: enesi]
#7850002 - 01/08/08 07:49 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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enesi said: It's different orally. Not as intense for sure if you ask me.
Smoking it is like blasting out of a cannon, and ripping through the veil.
orally, it's like getting out of the cannon,crawling over and sliding under the veil discreetly, lol
Is it worth it then? Would it be a waste? Because 150 mg is a lot (when you think smoking-wise)
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850016 - 01/08/08 07:53 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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It's not a waste because you are high for a few hours. It's a lot like taking mushrooms but it has that quick playful high that only DMT can give you. It hits that special spot that only DMT hits.
What did you learn about the salt?
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850030 - 01/08/08 07:56 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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enesi said: It's different orally. Not as intense for sure if you ask me.
Smoking it is like blasting out of a cannon, and ripping through the veil.
orally, it's like getting out of the cannon,crawling over and sliding under the veil discreetly, lol
Is it worth it then? Would it be a waste? Because 150 mg is a lot (when you think smoking-wise)
Try it and see...it will last about 3 hours or so if you do 3 to 3.5gr of rue. But yea, if you have experience with dmt already, you might want to start at a higher dose just to really make it worth while.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: muistrue]
#7850033 - 01/08/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Acyl said: Apparently under strongly acidic conditions the actual indole ring gets protonated (as opposed to only the amino group in other salts) and forms an indolium ion.. This would degrade pretty quickly I believe and must be the reason that inorganic salts such as HCl are ineffective for isolation.
The picrate (google picric acid) and other organic salts are either not acidic enough or are too sterically hindered to hang around the indole to form a stable salt. So basically HCl is too small and too strong of an acid to be used.
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The protonation of tryptamine derivatives in acidic media. Jackson, A. H.; Smith, A. E. Univ. Liverpool, UK. J. Chem. Soc. Suppl. (1964), No. 1 5510-17. Journal written in English. CAN 63:10038 AN 1965:410038 CAPLUS
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Spectroscopic evidence shows that tryptamine and several of its N- and C-Me derivs. are protonated at the 3-position of the indole nucleus in strongly acidic media to give the corresponding 3H-indolium salts (I). Physostigmine and a no. of related compds. also form 3H-indolium salts in acidic media (but at a much higher pH), by a ring-opening reaction. The latter observation has already proved to be a useful criterion for the presence of the Ph-N-C-N and Ph-N-C-O systems in certain indole alkaloids.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: enesi]
#7850059 - 01/08/08 08:02 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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enesi said: Try it and see...it will last about 3 hours or so if you do 3 to 3.5gr of rue. But yea, if you have experience with dmt already, you might want to start at a higher dose just to really make it worth while.
I'll give it a shot
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850085 - 01/08/08 08:05 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Idk though I'm a little freaked out about the whole MAOI thing, it has fatal effects when used in combination with lots of things. One of the things that comes to mind is tyramine, which I hope isn't in big amounts in any of the food I eat on a regular basis, I'll have to look that up.
While I'm at it I'll have to look up any other possible things that might conflict with the MAOI and possibly give me nasty results. Gotta be wary....
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850096 - 01/08/08 08:06 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850102 - 01/08/08 08:07 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Omni said: Idk though I'm a little freaked out about the whole MAOI thing, it has fatal effects when used in combination with lots of things. One of the things that comes to mind is tyramine, which I hope isn't in big amounts in any of the food I eat on a regular basis, I'll have to look that up.
While I'm at it I'll have to look up any other possible things that might conflict with the MAOI and possibly give me nasty results. Gotta be wary....
You should be fine. Just google "maoi diet" and you'll see the foods that you need to avoid.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850108 - 01/08/08 08:08 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Sounds like the reason why there aren't too many cases of people obtaining the salt is that it isn't worth it. In the end you have a instable compound and the only advantage I can see of having the salt is that you can main vein that shit. Freebasing is good enough for me. I have no intensions of ever trying to get higher than that on anything ever. Smoking huge rips of DMT is fuckin crazy enough.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: muistrue]
#7850125 - 01/08/08 08:11 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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FractalDust said: Sounds like the reason why there aren't too many cases of people obtaining the salt is that it isn't worth it.
I'll say. Shulgin himself didn't even try to get it and the man synthesized every chemical in pihkal and tihkal and more. Has to mean something.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850137 - 01/08/08 08:13 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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But you were right though it does form a salt just not as readily (by far) as other alkaloids and won't form it with many acids.
So if you did want DMT salt from an extraction you'd have to use picric acid to crystalize and not something like HCl.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850185 - 01/08/08 08:22 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Yeah I'm pretty sure that the dudes who got the salt, Dave Nichols for example, synthesized it. But I'm sure someone will perfect the extraction someday.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: muistrue]
#7850210 - 01/08/08 08:25 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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If I got ahold of picric acid one day maybe I'll try and make freebase into salt, might work.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850287 - 01/08/08 08:35 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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the hard part is getting it to crystallize...shulgin did it, but it wasn't easy.
i would stick to smoking it, lol
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: enesi]
#7850296 - 01/08/08 08:37 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850306 - 01/08/08 08:38 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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There really is no point in trying to get the salt though. I'd just be doing it to be able to say I did it
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