Home | Community | Message Board

Avalon Magic Plants
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Capsules   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Capsules

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage?
    #7848414 - 01/08/08 03:02 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

General info or personal experiences/doses please. From reading around I was thinking somewhere in the range of 10-15 grams powdered Mimosa but I'm not too sure on the MAOI.

Also I haven't found much info on pure oral DMT doses used with an MAOI.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7848582 - 01/08/08 03:37 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Anyone?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleCrasher
αἱρετίζω
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/13/01
Posts: 6,220
Loc: Tardy to the Party
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7848814 - 01/08/08 04:18 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

every source I've read says 3 grams rue is the best. beyond that you're not gaining any additional benefits from the maoi.

I'll be downing the same brew soon. Good luck.


--------------------
Give me silence, water, hope;
Give me struggle, iron, volcanoes...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleawesomebastard
Lost
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/16/07
Posts: 4,891
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Crasher]
    #7849254 - 01/08/08 05:30 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

dude go 20 mhrb and 1.5 grams rue an hour before and 1.5 at the same time. just to make sure you dont puke all the maoi when the mhrb inevitably comes out.


--------------------
"Absolute certainty is a privilege of uneducated minds and fanatics." ~ C.J. Keyser



Mr. Cypher said: "I just tell the girls how sexy I am and their panties melt."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7849305 - 01/08/08 05:39 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

I was actually thinking about just taking pure DMT and the MAOI and skipping the purging part.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleawesomebastard
Lost
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/16/07
Posts: 4,891
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7849342 - 01/08/08 05:43 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

that is actaully a really good idea let us know how it is just do the math to figure out oral dosage find the percentage to wieght ratio of mhrb and figure it from there or erowid may have something i want to try this as well.


--------------------
"Absolute certainty is a privilege of uneducated minds and fanatics." ~ C.J. Keyser



Mr. Cypher said: "I just tell the girls how sexy I am and their panties melt."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7849414 - 01/08/08 05:55 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

I was thinking about doing a small extraction from 15g MHRB and doing like two pulls or something from it, then however much was extracted from it I'd down (since that would equal 15g MHRB).


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Crasher]
    #7849453 - 01/08/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

Crasher said:
every source I've read says 3 grams rue is the best.



link?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleCrasher
αἱρετίζω
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/13/01
Posts: 6,220
Loc: Tardy to the Party
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7849555 - 01/08/08 06:18 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)



--------------------
Give me silence, water, hope;
Give me struggle, iron, volcanoes...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Crasher]
    #7849611 - 01/08/08 06:31 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Thanks.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleCrasher
αἱρετίζω
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/13/01
Posts: 6,220
Loc: Tardy to the Party
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7849618 - 01/08/08 06:32 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

No worries. Let me know how it goes as I'll be following the same 3 gram recipes.


--------------------
Give me silence, water, hope;
Give me struggle, iron, volcanoes...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineenesi
On the Bus
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/23/06
Posts: 1,408
Loc: Erf
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Crasher]
    #7849825 - 01/08/08 07:18 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

lot of info over at dmt nexus on oral dosing.

I would go with 2-3gr of rue, 45 min prior to ingesting the dmt. empty stomach. Do a lemon extract on your rue to avoid puking it all up when you take the dmt. dmt dose...depends how intense you wanna get. 150mg is pretty strong. PM me if you need any elaboration


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: enesi]
    #7849841 - 01/08/08 07:22 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

I was thinking about extracting the harmaline from the rue too and taking that with the pure DMT all in capsules :yesnod:

That way no vomiting.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineenesi
On the Bus
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/23/06
Posts: 1,408
Loc: Erf
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7849899 - 01/08/08 07:34 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

It would be a lot easier and quicker to just do a lemon/water extraction on it.

take 50ml of lemon juice, 150ml of water. mix with ground up rue seeds. Let sit overnight. filter twice through coffee filters. drink up.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: enesi]
    #7849927 - 01/08/08 07:39 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Yeah might be. I'll skip out on the full-out pharmahuasca then.

How does 100mg oral DMT + 3g Rue extract sound?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineenesi
On the Bus
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/23/06
Posts: 1,408
Loc: Erf
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7849943 - 01/08/08 07:42 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

100mg would be a good place to start. That's about where the OEV's start to appear, if you've smoked dmt before. the snowflake like swirling visuals will be very abundant at this dose, lol. Nothing like a breakthough though, so don't expect any entity contact or other worlds.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemuistrue
Inspired by the mystery
 User Gallery

Registered: 03/20/05
Posts: 12,899
Loc: Behind the Redwoods
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7849948 - 01/08/08 07:43 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

Omni said:
I was thinking about extracting the harmaline from the rue too and taking that with the pure DMT all in capsules :yesnod:





This is the way I do it. I can give you some advice based on my experiences. Take the rue or harmaline extract first. Wait about 45 minutes to an hour then take the DMT extract. I've found that dosing the DMT crystals orally takes significantly more than smoking. The sweet spot is somewhere between 100 and 150mg. When you start to come down pack up your DMT pipe and keep smoking all night long. Fucking epic :crazyeyes:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: enesi]
    #7849952 - 01/08/08 07:44 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

I've only smoked it. I want to try out orally w/ an MAOI just to see if its any different.

How about 125 mg?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: muistrue]
    #7849980 - 01/08/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Oh and fractal dust I asked someone about the DMT salt thing and they found some info (I think it was you I was talking to about that)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineenesi
On the Bus
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/23/06
Posts: 1,408
Loc: Erf
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7849981 - 01/08/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

It's different orally. Not as intense for sure if you ask me.

Smoking it is like blasting out of a cannon, and ripping through the veil.

orally, it's like getting out of the cannon,crawling over and sliding under the veil discreetly, lol


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemuistrue
Inspired by the mystery
 User Gallery

Registered: 03/20/05
Posts: 12,899
Loc: Behind the Redwoods
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7849982 - 01/08/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

If you have a lot of experience smoking DMT do at least 150mg. You might be dissapointed with anything less than that.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: enesi]
    #7850002 - 01/08/08 07:49 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

enesi said:
It's different orally. Not as intense for sure if you ask me.

Smoking it is like blasting out of a cannon, and ripping through the veil.

orally, it's like getting out of the cannon,crawling over and sliding under the veil discreetly, lol



Is it worth it then? Would it be a waste? Because 150 mg is a lot (when you think smoking-wise)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemuistrue
Inspired by the mystery
 User Gallery

Registered: 03/20/05
Posts: 12,899
Loc: Behind the Redwoods
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7850016 - 01/08/08 07:53 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

It's not a waste because you are high for a few hours. It's a lot like taking mushrooms but it has that quick playful high that only DMT can give you. It hits that special spot that only DMT hits.

What did you learn about the salt?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineenesi
On the Bus
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/23/06
Posts: 1,408
Loc: Erf
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7850030 - 01/08/08 07:56 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

Omni said:
Quote:

enesi said:
It's different orally. Not as intense for sure if you ask me.

Smoking it is like blasting out of a cannon, and ripping through the veil.

orally, it's like getting out of the cannon,crawling over and sliding under the veil discreetly, lol



Is it worth it then? Would it be a waste? Because 150 mg is a lot (when you think smoking-wise)


Try it and see...it will last about 3 hours or so if you do 3 to 3.5gr of rue. But yea, if you have experience with dmt already, you might want to start at a higher dose just to really make it worth while.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: muistrue]
    #7850033 - 01/08/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

Acyl said:
Apparently under strongly acidic conditions the actual indole ring gets protonated (as opposed to only the amino group in other salts) and forms an indolium ion.. This would degrade pretty quickly I believe and must be the reason that inorganic salts such as HCl are ineffective for isolation.

The picrate (google picric acid) and other organic salts are either not acidic enough or are too sterically hindered to hang around the indole to form a stable salt. So basically HCl is too small and too strong of an acid to be used.




Quote:


The protonation of tryptamine derivatives in acidic media. Jackson, A. H.; Smith, A. E. Univ. Liverpool, UK. J. Chem. Soc. Suppl. (1964), No. 1 5510-17. Journal written in English. CAN 63:10038 AN 1965:410038 CAPLUS

Abstract

Spectroscopic evidence shows that tryptamine and several of its N- and C-Me derivs. are protonated at the 3-position of the indole nucleus in strongly acidic media to give the corresponding 3H-indolium salts (I). Physostigmine and a no. of related compds. also form 3H-indolium salts in acidic media (but at a much higher pH), by a ring-opening reaction. The latter observation has already proved to be a useful criterion for the presence of the Ph-N-C-N and Ph-N-C-O systems in certain indole alkaloids.





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: enesi]
    #7850059 - 01/08/08 08:02 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

enesi said:
Try it and see...it will last about 3 hours or so if you do 3 to 3.5gr of rue. But yea, if you have experience with dmt already, you might want to start at a higher dose just to really make it worth while.



I'll give it a shot :yesnod:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7850085 - 01/08/08 08:05 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Idk though I'm a little freaked out about the whole MAOI thing, it has fatal effects when used in combination with lots of things. One of the things that comes to mind is tyramine, which I hope isn't in big amounts in any of the food I eat on a regular basis, I'll have to look that up.

While I'm at it I'll have to look up any other possible things that might conflict with the MAOI and possibly give me nasty results. Gotta be wary....


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineenesi
On the Bus
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/23/06
Posts: 1,408
Loc: Erf
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7850096 - 01/08/08 08:06 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)



--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineenesi
On the Bus
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/23/06
Posts: 1,408
Loc: Erf
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7850102 - 01/08/08 08:07 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

Omni said:
Idk though I'm a little freaked out about the whole MAOI thing, it has fatal effects when used in combination with lots of things. One of the things that comes to mind is tyramine, which I hope isn't in big amounts in any of the food I eat on a regular basis, I'll have to look that up.

While I'm at it I'll have to look up any other possible things that might conflict with the MAOI and possibly give me nasty results. Gotta be wary....



You should be fine. Just google "maoi diet" and you'll see the foods that you need to avoid.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemuistrue
Inspired by the mystery
 User Gallery

Registered: 03/20/05
Posts: 12,899
Loc: Behind the Redwoods
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7850108 - 01/08/08 08:08 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Sounds like the reason why there aren't too many cases of people obtaining the salt is that it isn't worth it. In the end you have a instable compound and the only advantage I can see of having the salt is that you can main vein that shit. Freebasing is good enough for me. I have no intensions of ever trying to get higher than that on anything ever. Smoking huge rips of DMT is fuckin crazy enough.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: muistrue]
    #7850125 - 01/08/08 08:11 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

FractalDust said:
Sounds like the reason why there aren't too many cases of people obtaining the salt is that it isn't worth it.



I'll say. Shulgin himself didn't even try to get it and the man synthesized every chemical in pihkal and tihkal and more. Has to mean something.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7850137 - 01/08/08 08:13 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

But you were right though it does form a salt just not as readily (by far) as other alkaloids and won't form it with many acids.

So if you did want DMT salt from an extraction you'd have to use picric acid to crystalize and not something like HCl.


Edited by Ombient (01/08/08 08:15 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemuistrue
Inspired by the mystery
 User Gallery

Registered: 03/20/05
Posts: 12,899
Loc: Behind the Redwoods
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7850185 - 01/08/08 08:22 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Yeah I'm pretty sure that the dudes who got the salt, Dave Nichols for example, synthesized it. But I'm sure someone will perfect the extraction someday.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: muistrue]
    #7850210 - 01/08/08 08:25 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

If I got ahold of picric acid one day maybe I'll try and make freebase into salt, might work.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineenesi
On the Bus
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/23/06
Posts: 1,408
Loc: Erf
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7850287 - 01/08/08 08:35 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

the hard part is getting it to crystallize...shulgin did it, but it wasn't easy.

i would stick to smoking it, lol


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: enesi]
    #7850296 - 01/08/08 08:37 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Tru


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRobo
R Series 66Y
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 14,861
Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
    #7850306 - 01/08/08 08:38 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

There really is no point in trying to get the salt though. I'd just be doing it to be able to say I did it :awesome:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2  [ show all ]

Shop: North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Capsules   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Capsules


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! sandman_130 34,792 18 04/27/19 09:24 PM
by Psilosopherr
* Syrian rue crystal extract results and commentary poke smot! 5,931 6 02/18/04 09:00 AM
by Seuss
* Question about Syrian Rue Seeds BiNz 2,027 6 01/05/06 09:01 PM
by natu
* Mushrooms(Cubensis) + Syrian Rue myheadafrisbee 9,522 14 10/05/12 01:47 AM
by pablokabute
* Syrian Rue Kenny7822 4,141 5 03/26/05 11:05 PM
by schmutzen
* syrian rue & psilocybin dosage questions? sinthetikboy 3,141 1 09/03/02 12:07 PM
by DreaMaTrix
* Syrian Rue sources holio1 1,542 3 09/20/04 05:26 PM
by holio1
* SYrian Rue Extract natu 3,100 10 01/27/06 02:27 AM
by abrad84

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: psilocybinjunkie, Rose, mushboy, LogicaL Chaos, Northerner, bodhisatta
6,150 topic views. 2 members, 50 guests and 21 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.037 seconds spending 0.009 seconds on 14 queries.