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FractalDust
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7849982 - 01/08/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you have a lot of experience smoking DMT do at least 150mg. You might be dissapointed with anything less than that.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: enesi]
#7850002 - 01/08/08 07:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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enesi said: It's different orally. Not as intense for sure if you ask me.
Smoking it is like blasting out of a cannon, and ripping through the veil.
orally, it's like getting out of the cannon,crawling over and sliding under the veil discreetly, lol
Is it worth it then? Would it be a waste? Because 150 mg is a lot (when you think smoking-wise)
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850016 - 01/08/08 07:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not a waste because you are high for a few hours. It's a lot like taking mushrooms but it has that quick playful high that only DMT can give you. It hits that special spot that only DMT hits.
What did you learn about the salt?
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850030 - 01/08/08 07:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Omni said:
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enesi said: It's different orally. Not as intense for sure if you ask me.
Smoking it is like blasting out of a cannon, and ripping through the veil.
orally, it's like getting out of the cannon,crawling over and sliding under the veil discreetly, lol
Is it worth it then? Would it be a waste? Because 150 mg is a lot (when you think smoking-wise)
Try it and see...it will last about 3 hours or so if you do 3 to 3.5gr of rue. But yea, if you have experience with dmt already, you might want to start at a higher dose just to really make it worth while.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: FractalDust]
#7850033 - 01/08/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Acyl said: Apparently under strongly acidic conditions the actual indole ring gets protonated (as opposed to only the amino group in other salts) and forms an indolium ion.. This would degrade pretty quickly I believe and must be the reason that inorganic salts such as HCl are ineffective for isolation.
The picrate (google picric acid) and other organic salts are either not acidic enough or are too sterically hindered to hang around the indole to form a stable salt. So basically HCl is too small and too strong of an acid to be used.
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The protonation of tryptamine derivatives in acidic media. Jackson, A. H.; Smith, A. E. Univ. Liverpool, UK. J. Chem. Soc. Suppl. (1964), No. 1 5510-17. Journal written in English. CAN 63:10038 AN 1965:410038 CAPLUS
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Spectroscopic evidence shows that tryptamine and several of its N- and C-Me derivs. are protonated at the 3-position of the indole nucleus in strongly acidic media to give the corresponding 3H-indolium salts (I). Physostigmine and a no. of related compds. also form 3H-indolium salts in acidic media (but at a much higher pH), by a ring-opening reaction. The latter observation has already proved to be a useful criterion for the presence of the Ph-N-C-N and Ph-N-C-O systems in certain indole alkaloids.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: enesi]
#7850059 - 01/08/08 08:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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enesi said: Try it and see...it will last about 3 hours or so if you do 3 to 3.5gr of rue. But yea, if you have experience with dmt already, you might want to start at a higher dose just to really make it worth while.
I'll give it a shot
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850085 - 01/08/08 08:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Idk though I'm a little freaked out about the whole MAOI thing, it has fatal effects when used in combination with lots of things. One of the things that comes to mind is tyramine, which I hope isn't in big amounts in any of the food I eat on a regular basis, I'll have to look that up.
While I'm at it I'll have to look up any other possible things that might conflict with the MAOI and possibly give me nasty results. Gotta be wary....
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850096 - 01/08/08 08:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850102 - 01/08/08 08:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Omni said: Idk though I'm a little freaked out about the whole MAOI thing, it has fatal effects when used in combination with lots of things. One of the things that comes to mind is tyramine, which I hope isn't in big amounts in any of the food I eat on a regular basis, I'll have to look that up.
While I'm at it I'll have to look up any other possible things that might conflict with the MAOI and possibly give me nasty results. Gotta be wary....
You should be fine. Just google "maoi diet" and you'll see the foods that you need to avoid.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850108 - 01/08/08 08:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like the reason why there aren't too many cases of people obtaining the salt is that it isn't worth it. In the end you have a instable compound and the only advantage I can see of having the salt is that you can main vein that shit. Freebasing is good enough for me. I have no intensions of ever trying to get higher than that on anything ever. Smoking huge rips of DMT is fuckin crazy enough.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: FractalDust]
#7850125 - 01/08/08 08:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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FractalDust said: Sounds like the reason why there aren't too many cases of people obtaining the salt is that it isn't worth it.
I'll say. Shulgin himself didn't even try to get it and the man synthesized every chemical in pihkal and tihkal and more. Has to mean something.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850137 - 01/08/08 08:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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But you were right though it does form a salt just not as readily (by far) as other alkaloids and won't form it with many acids.
So if you did want DMT salt from an extraction you'd have to use picric acid to crystalize and not something like HCl.
Edited by Ombient (01/08/08 08:15 PM)
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850185 - 01/08/08 08:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm pretty sure that the dudes who got the salt, Dave Nichols for example, synthesized it. But I'm sure someone will perfect the extraction someday.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: FractalDust]
#7850210 - 01/08/08 08:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I got ahold of picric acid one day maybe I'll try and make freebase into salt, might work.
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850287 - 01/08/08 08:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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the hard part is getting it to crystallize...shulgin did it, but it wasn't easy.
i would stick to smoking it, lol
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: enesi]
#7850296 - 01/08/08 08:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tru
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Re: MHRB & Syrian Rue Dosage? [Re: Robo]
#7850306 - 01/08/08 08:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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There really is no point in trying to get the salt though. I'd just be doing it to be able to say I did it
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