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enesi said:
It's different orally. Not as intense for sure if you ask me.

Smoking it is like blasting out of a cannon, and ripping through the veil.

orally, it's like getting out of the cannon,crawling over and sliding under the veil discreetly, lol

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Omni said:

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enesi said:
It's different orally. Not as intense for sure if you ask me.

Smoking it is like blasting out of a cannon, and ripping through the veil.

orally, it's like getting out of the cannon,crawling over and sliding under the veil discreetly, lol

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Is it worth it then? Would it be a waste? Because 150 mg is a lot (when you think smoking-wise)

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Acyl said:
Apparently under strongly acidic conditions the actual indole ring gets protonated (as opposed to only the amino group in other salts) and forms an indolium ion.. This would degrade pretty quickly I believe and must be the reason that inorganic salts such as HCl are ineffective for isolation.

The picrate (google picric acid) and other organic salts are either not acidic enough or are too sterically hindered to hang around the indole to form a stable salt. So basically HCl is too small and too strong of an acid to be used.

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The protonation of tryptamine derivatives in acidic media. Jackson, A. H.; Smith, A. E. Univ. Liverpool, UK. J. Chem. Soc. Suppl. (1964), No. 1 5510-17. Journal written in English. CAN 63:10038 AN 1965:410038 CAPLUS

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Spectroscopic evidence shows that tryptamine and several of its N- and C-Me derivs. are protonated at the 3-position of the indole nucleus in strongly acidic media to give the corresponding 3H-indolium salts (I). Physostigmine and a no. of related compds. also form 3H-indolium salts in acidic media (but at a much higher pH), by a ring-opening reaction. The latter observation has already proved to be a useful criterion for the presence of the Ph-N-C-N and Ph-N-C-O systems in certain indole alkaloids.

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enesi said:
Try it and see...it will last about 3 hours or so if you do 3 to 3.5gr of rue. But yea, if you have experience with dmt already, you might want to start at a higher dose just to really make it worth while.

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Omni said:
Idk though I'm a little freaked out about the whole MAOI thing, it has fatal effects when used in combination with lots of things. One of the things that comes to mind is tyramine, which I hope isn't in big amounts in any of the food I eat on a regular basis, I'll have to look that up.

While I'm at it I'll have to look up any other possible things that might conflict with the MAOI and possibly give me nasty results. Gotta be wary....

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FractalDust said:
Sounds like the reason why there aren't too many cases of people obtaining the salt is that it isn't worth it.

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