>Fair enough. What is a good reason to believe?
Many people have made lists, some of which you can even find online, that give reasons why they believe in Jesus Christ. I recommend you check out those lists so you can get a broader perspective, but I’m guessing you’ve seen those lists anyway. As for me, there is only one good reason to believe: It is the undeniable truth and to forget that or pervert that is a “sin worthy of death,” to quote the apostle John. Now, I realize to most people this is not undeniable truth. For me it is after the life I’ve had thus far. So for me personally, that is my answer for a ‘a good reason to believe.’ It is the truth and I’m not going to forget it – ever.
So you are saying that the best reason you can come up with is because if you don't believe them you'll burn in hell. I see.
>What factual evidence are you referring to?
There are a few different angle that I can take to answer this question. Some people have made efforts to write entire books about the evidence of Jesus Christ, both historically and through spiritual truths.
Jesus Christ has left a permanent mark on the entire earth. Our worldwide calendar is based on His life. People have claimed to have repeated experiences with the Holy Spirit who, in turn, led these same people to the reality of Jesus Christ’s life, death, resurrection and position as the Son of God.
Worldwide you will find almost too many churches dedicated to Jesus Christ, some being Godly, some not so Godly unfortunately. Nevertheless, just about wherever one goes, one has a human presentation of this Man Jesus Christ. If you do not stumble across a church or look at certain historical facts, chances are you will be witnessed to by a Christian, some being Godly, some not so Godly, unfortunately.
If you do not look at history, the church, or personal testimony – behold: The signature of God’s artwork (meaning the natural world/the physical world) is constantly in front of you wherever you go. It is an amazing thing to look at the detail and intricacy of nature and how it all grooves and weeves together in a very organized fashion. The trees and plants give us oxygen to breathe and food to eat. We are able to multiply and procreate new men and woman, maintaining the human race, while each animal likewise procreates as male and female, maintaining each of their kinds.
Furthermore, there is the blessed dilemma of the psilocybe mushroom. What a contrived thing to have on the same earth that mankind is on. And this takes us to what many call the astral plane – a higher state of consciousness in which we begin to function on a far more spiritual level, at least for those of us who are willing to truly venture.
Furthermore, there is the mystery of the Scriptures, which testify of Jesus in a very, very clear fashion and millions of people identify with the Pentecostal experience named in Acts chapter two. Furthermore, there is the conviction of the Scriptures, the amazing impact in which they have when read to someone, or when someone reads the Scriptures themselves.
I could go on. I hope I have at least given some acceptable evidence to the ‘court.’
I am well acquainted with apologetics but I find them unconvincing to atheists. that's not much to go on.
People have all sorts of experiences. If one is to go on that then how does one know which experiences lead to truth and which ones lead to error?
As far as nature is concerned it is wonderous to look at but it does not lead people by itself to Christ. If it did Christ would not have told His people to "go ye out into all the world".
As far as psilocybian mushrooms are concerned there are many toxic poisons that can give people altered states. That doesn't offer any evidence at all for the existence of Christ.
The Scriptures can have an effect on some people but not others. If God loves everyone and wants them to be saved then why do some people read the Bible, while searching and come away empty handed?
The experiences at Pentecost were had by a very few people and since we weren't there we only have a clue what it was that they experienced.
>If you are saved, do you sin?
Of course. The apostle John said it best when he said, “He who says he has no sin is a liar and the truth is not in him.” I certainly have more than a few dozen sins. This religion is not about perfection. Ultimately it’s about atonement and a harmony with God Almighty who gave us life. It is not a guilt trip, although you will even find in the Torah a “guilt offering” which people would make for their own conscience’ sake.
If John referring to Christians or Non-Christians?
>How do you know that your religion is not a false one and that demons have given you only enough of the truth to make you fit for hell?
No offense, but this is kind of a silly thing to ask to me personally. If it’s so false, why do my words burn into so many people so swiftly?
No offense given or taken. There could be a number of reasons why your words "burn into people so swiftly". Perhaps you make them angry with your superior attitude? People have mentioned that so I assume that is what they make of you.
>Aren't Satan and his demons angels of light?
Satan is/was the angel of light and certainly can deceive. He’s a puppet though. He’s not in the forefront of my psyche or religion or life. He can be likened to the opposition that God brought against Israel during times of disobedience which you can check out in the Torah. God does indeed use evil spirits to afflict us to bring about change for the better. This sounds a bit cartoon-like or movie-like but to some of us, it has become to make very logical sense in a world of true free will.
Fair enough.
>And why keep the details to yourself about your experiences? What if someone needs them in order to be saved? It looks like you are hiding something.
I feel like it. I can save no one, nor do I really wish to, if I may be so frank. I’m more of the type of person who wishes to stir up people and cause them to question if they are on the right track or not. I am allowed to keep to myself what I wish, am I not?
I don't know, are you?
If you admit it is a possibility that you are deluded then how in the world can you justify asking someone to believe as you do?
This is perhaps one of the greatest perversions that a non-believer constantly brings to the table. If you’ll reread ALL or any of my posts, I haven’t asked anyone to believe what I do. I simply tell people what I think and poke and jab at them in a polite and playful way. Even though many people here disagree with me quite firmly, we do seem to enjoy conversing with one another rather often. As I’ve written before, it’s a strange harmony that occurs between a believer and a non-believer when they can remain somewhat polite to one another. It’s a contrast that does have some form of beauty to it.
What you take for playfulness is not taken that way be everyone, myself included. I find myself agreeing with Shroomerylurker when he says:
"I would not have been so discussed (sic) with this thread in the beginning and started challenging you if the title of your thread had not been "Are atheist pansies? Yes, indeed they are." and had a picture of a boot kicking an ass beside it. Your point was not to care for or help them along so that they might later 'know god' as you would put it, it was to put them down, and make yourself look good for your beliefs. How pridefull, demeaning, and judgmental. Was Christ any of those things?
Really, was he?"
Your pictures of Trolls in reference to Sclorch are in poor taste. If you thought they were funny you should have put a smiley face by them. And if you think that many others find your posts funny, how many LOL's and smiley faces do you see when they answer you?
You come across as mean-spirited and devilish. If I were an atheist I would thank God that I wasn't like you. (pun)
>Think on it.
Likewise.
Why would I do otherwise?
Cheers,
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