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MYSTIQUE
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7855499 - 01/09/08 07:15 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Neither. You would say, "place the cased substrate into the FC"
The nomenclature that has evolved serves the purpose very well. The problem is with people throwing around terms they don't understand, which makes it almost impossible for new folks to learn. I can't emphasize enough the importance of learning a subject first, before trying to teach it to someone else. RR
I disagree Roger, do a search, most people call it a casing despite what you declare.
Cased Substrate is not easier to type then casing, and if you type them enough, your insistence on your nomenclature will waste many hours.
They call it casing because of people like you making teks where they wrote it wrong just like this one.
Alot of people call Soil dirt but it don't make it dirt.
EDITED:opps sorry got in your quote
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: MYSTIQUE]
#7855583 - 01/09/08 07:28 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yeah, I know, but it's like the teacher telling you to use the proper terminology, or do not use contractions.
Roger is correct of course, casing is the top layer only, but my point is when is there a casing layer without a substrate?
There can be a substrate without a casing layer, a substrate with a casing layer, but no casing layer without a substrate.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7855610 - 01/09/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said:
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RogerRabbit said:
Neither. You would say, "place the cased substrate into the FC"
The nomenclature that has evolved serves the purpose very well. The problem is with people throwing around terms they don't understand, which makes it almost impossible for new folks to learn. I can't emphasize enough the importance of learning a subject first, before trying to teach it to someone else. RR
I disagree Roger, do a search, most people call it a casing despite what you declare.
Cased Substrate is not easier to type then casing, and if you type them enough, your insistence on your nomenclature will waste many hours.
I am sure you are technically correct, you always are, but grammar and names mean little.
Goggle memes, tha't where it's at.
People should settle on what is easiest, not technical.
According to you people need to ask, "when can I place me cased substrate in my FC".
But isn't casing quicker to type?
I call rye berries RBs, hasn't caught on yet, but it makes sense, it's faster. Would you have me say rye berries or RBs?
What most people do doesn't make it correct.
If most people thought like you, use the easy name, not the correct one, we would be all still in caves calling everything UG.
Correct naming of thing is very important, especially in anything Science related. A wrong, or unspecific name can cause a lot of problems.
I could call Hydrated Lime just Lime, assuming everyone knew what I meant, but then someone would go out and buy quicklime (it is a kind of Lime) and fuck up their casing mix and probably burn themselves badly in the process.
Also, you talk about saving time. If it was your way, think of all the extra hours we would spend typing casing LAYER or MIXTURE each time we wanted to refer exclusively to that, when we could have just used casing if everyone used the names correctly.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7855629 - 01/09/08 07:34 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: Yeah, I know, but it's like the teacher telling you to use the proper terminology, or do not use contractions.
Roger is correct of course, casing is the top layer only, but my point is when is there a casing layer without a substrate?
There can be a substrate without a casing layer, a substrate with a casing layer, but no casing layer without a substrate.
And what do you call the combination of peat, hydrated lime and crushed oyster while you are mixing it up or discussing it?
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Nibin]
#7855705 - 01/09/08 07:42 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Fine fine, you are right, I am wrong, casing is only the top layer.
This is exactly why we BEG new growers to learn the ropes and complete a successful grow before they start posting 'teks', which are only going to further confuse new people. The term casing does NOT refer to the whole thing. Casing refers to the non-nutritious layer on top of a substrate. RR
Not sure what terms have to do with actually growing but, sure you are right.
Hey Roger, link us to your Casing Tek, and your Spawn Tek, and your LC Tek, and your Spore Print Tek, and your Shotgun FC Tek, and your Cloning Tek, and your Isolation Tek.
Oh, that's right, there are no links to them, you have to buy the DVD.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7855737 - 01/09/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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All you need to do is ask and I am sure he would answer in detail.
I'm not going to start searching for old posts, but for example, he posted his Spawn tek (his way of preparing rye) just a few days ago and you yourself admitted to taking it and reformatting it.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Nibin]
#7855756 - 01/09/08 07:51 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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That was Roger's rye berry tek, which I didn't list above.
I love the title of that one, "My Rye Tek", what ownership.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7855782 - 01/09/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: That was Roger's rye berry tek, which I didn't list above.
I love the title of that one, "My Rye Tek", what ownership.
Rye berry is a Spawn.
Tek = Technique = way of doing things.
My way of doing something will be my tek, your way will be captaincubensis tek. It doesn't matter if others do it the same way, if it was done before, it is still your way of doing it and so your tek.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Nibin]
#7855858 - 01/09/08 08:11 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Can somebody lock this thread before this noob foolishness goes any further?
And people, you need to quit encouraging CC. If people didn't keep bumping his threads he'd go away. He does like to bump his own threads, he did it three times in this thread alone. But he'll soon be banned if he keeps it up.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: fastfred]
#7855881 - 01/09/08 08:15 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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How's that for childish Cap'n?
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7856145 - 01/09/08 09:10 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Just because something is easier doesn't make it correct. People who use abbreviations are only making younger generations more retarded. Not only is it incorrect it also makes you look less intelligent. It's cool your trying to get a rep for helping people out but like everyone is trying to tell you get the information correct before you make several post a day offering advice. Theres been several times this week alone RR and Nibin had to correct your info that you were giving to new members.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7856540 - 01/09/08 10:18 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: That was Roger's rye berry tek, which I didn't list above.
I love the title of that one, "My Rye Tek", what ownership.
TEK (which stands for Traditional Ecological Knowledge) is just a particular way of doing things. If RR has done something a particular way and it works, he can pass that on to us as a tek. If he wanted to call it the Dingleberry tek, he could, but "My Rye Tek" gets the point across just fine.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: BanjoMojo]
#7856779 - 01/09/08 10:58 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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ok for captain cubensis what I would suggest for you is to go into your journal and make these posts and link to all of the informative teks that you like. put together the walk through. then put a link to your information in your sig. when ever you give good advise to people they'll see your sig and be able to check out what you have to offer.
besides that it seems like the last thing I remember abut your grows was that you where cultivating from cakes and that you;ve never done a cased substrate. I would highlyrecomend that you wait until you have the proper experience before flooding the forums with cultivation tips that are beyond your current relm of cultivation skills.
noticing how interested you are in putting together cultivation advice for other members I would suggest that you take the time to document what you are doing. take good notes and pictures. then build your own proper beginning to end tek on how you did it. alon with pictures and what ever input from your EXPERIENCE that you have. key word experience. really coming past the introductive level that you currently are at to be able to relay the proper information.
the clutter that is caused in the forum becaue of your full hearted, but half assed posts pisses people off and confuses noobs. the real help being done on the forum is by members that scroll through posts on the first few pages with questions ad leading them to the answers they need.
I pretty much never give advise about cakes because I never worked with them. but I will help people with what I do know about.
experience is what will make you most helpful to the community so start working on more projects and make a contribution that way.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7859702 - 01/10/08 02:02 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Casing refers to the whole thing, which is a bulk sub with a casing layer on top.
This is exactly why we BEG new growers to learn the ropes and complete a successful grow before they start posting 'teks', which are only going to further confuse new people.
The term casing does NOT refer to the whole thing. Casing refers to the non-nutritious layer on top of a substrate.
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Would you say, "place the casing into the FC", or "place the tray filled with bulk substrate with a casing layer on top in the FC."
Neither. You would say, "place the cased substrate into the FC"
The nomenclature that has evolved serves the purpose very well. The problem is with people throwing around terms they don't understand, which makes it almost impossible for new folks to learn. I can't emphasize enough the importance of learning a subject first, before trying to teach it to someone else. RR
Well, technically Roger's video should be called, "Let's Cultivate Mushrooms", not "Let's Grow Mushroom."
Since a person can't grow a mushroom, but he could cultivate a mushroom and providing condition beneficial to mushroom growth. Such as allowing myc to colonize coir, then to grow it's fruits on cased substrate.
Get your nomenclature right bud!
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7859738 - 01/10/08 02:09 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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From the miriam websters online dictionary.
One of the definitions of grow:
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1 a: to cause to grow <grow wheat>
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7859756 - 01/10/08 02:11 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said:
Well, technically Roger's video should be called, "Let's Cultivate Mushrooms", not "Let's Grow Mushroom."
Since a person can't grow a mushroom, but he could cultivate a mushroom and providing condition beneficial to mushroom growth. Such as allowing myc to colonize coir, then to grow it's fruits on cased substrate.
Get your nomenclature right bud!
If you want to get technical, you're not cultivating mushrooms. You're cultivating mycelium and the mycelium cultivates the mushroom.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Fraggin]
#7859791 - 01/10/08 02:18 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Trust me, it's cultivate, that's the proper term, not grow.
Roger won't respond to this post will he?
My point here is, if we spend so much time on semantics and bickering about exact terms, not ways that work, we all get lowered to that level.
To take the time to correct someones use of a term without adding any beneficial information is mean spirited.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7859810 - 01/10/08 02:21 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Your repeated attacks against RR, both overtly and covertly, make me believe that you're more focused on disproving his advice than providing anything of substance yourself.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7859855 - 01/10/08 02:28 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: Trust me, it's cultivate, that's the proper term, not grow.
Roger won't respond to this post will he?
My point here is, if we spend so much time on semantics and bickering about exact terms, not ways that work, we all get lowered to that level.
To take the time to correct someones use of a term without adding any beneficial information is mean spirited.
Yes, I know I said I wouldn't answer. Just one last one.
No, I won't trust you, I'll trust a dictionary thank you very much.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Crasher]
#7859907 - 01/10/08 02:37 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Crasher said: Your repeated attacks against RR, both overtly and covertly, make me believe that you're more focused on disproving his advice than providing anything of substance yourself.
Sounds like thats his plan.
RR has been doing this longer then you have been alive CC.
In your 2 weeks of research You have recycled soooo much garbage in a mix of ideas teks and failed experiments from other people into New teks that just wont work. 10% gypsum? That was a good Tek to kill your mysc. Always helping the new guys mess their projects up thats what you are doing.
Put these in your journal PLEASE.
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