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Crasher
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: likwid]
#7849563 - 01/08/08 06:19 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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C4 and water.= water impulse.
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Crasher]
#7854100 - 01/09/08 02:48 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Not catching your bizarre reference to explosives.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7854327 - 01/09/08 03:35 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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I wasn't replying to you.
I was proposing an alternative method of breaking up drywall.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Crasher]
#7854339 - 01/09/08 03:36 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Does drywall break up if you soak it in water?
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7854544 - 01/09/08 04:05 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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i am a little confused right now. i thought you only would use perlite for humidity. what does it add to a casing? also i was under the impression that you should not have any nutrients in your casing. is there some kind of Coco coir that doesnt have any? thanx.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: xdaveman]
#7854659 - 01/09/08 04:27 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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That makes you look like a hypocrit CC , you just told me in the Help with Casing thread that Coir was not to be used in casings. Yet its on your master list of things needed to make the best casing LOL . I don't understand you.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: DontPlay]
#7854786 - 01/09/08 04:54 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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DontPlay said: That makes you look like a hypocrite CC , you just told me in the Help with Casing thread that Coir was not to be used in casings. Yet its on your master list of things needed to make the best casing LOL . I don't understand you.
No you don't understand, the coir is used as 50% of the bulk sub, not in the casing, read the whole post, and my casing tek.
I also list rye berries as one of the 7, but surely I don't mean mix them in your casing layer.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: xdaveman]
#7854850 - 01/09/08 05:05 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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xdaveman said: i am a little confused right now. i thought you only would use perlite for humidity. what does it add to a casing? also i was under the impression that you should not have any nutrients in your casing. is there some kind of Coco coir that doesnt have any? thanx.
THis is the exact reason you shouldn't be as enthisiastic about making posts CC. You confuse people.
Perlite is used essentially for humidification but some people use it in casings to improve it's texture and airiness, the same as you use it in plant soil for this reason.
On Coco coir. A few years back we all used coir as a casing material (as we use peat) due to it's great water holding properties.
Then, a few members started to realize that it could be used as a substrate, and that meant it had nutes, and so wasn't ideal as a casing ingredient.
So while coir can be used as a casing ingredient, it isn't the best of them. In fact a common problem it caused was overlay, which is when the mycelium over colonizes the casing layer (which it tended to do with coir as it has nutes) and matts down, inhibiting pinning and water absorbtion.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Nibin]
#7854900 - 01/09/08 05:13 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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LOL good point CC no I wouldn't mix rye berry's with my casing material lol. However you will and can confuse people. Isn't "your" casing tek an old tek of someone elses that you just rewrote ?
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: DontPlay]
#7855029 - 01/09/08 05:46 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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This whole thing is so ridiculous. It's because someone got confused not because of me.
He actually thought I meant to mix all 7 of those items for use as a casing layer.
I didn't advocate coir use in casing layers.
The post lists EVERYTHING you need to mix great casings.
It says nothing about spawning to bulk, which is assumed common knowledge if you are even considering a casing.
The casing link says to use 50/50+ peat/verm/oyster as a casing layer ON TOP OF coir/verm/gypsum.
What was confusing?
How could you mix great casings without a bulk substrate?
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7855048 - 01/09/08 05:50 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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You don't have to use bulk substrates, you could easily fill the tray with grains, then case. It is not common knowledge if your thinking about casings.
Who actually thought you meant to mix all 7, it sure as hell wasn't me.
We now know you don't advocate using coir in casing's, even tho people use it and are very successful.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Nibin]
#7855190 - 01/09/08 06:13 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Nibin said: So while coir can be used as a casing ingredient, it isn't the best of them. In fact a common problem it caused was overlay, which is when the mycelium over colonizes the casing layer (which it tended to do with coir as it has nutes) and matts down, inhibiting pinning and water absorbtion.
Nibin, thank you for explaining overlay. I have been searching, without conviction albeit, and had yet to find a good definition of what it actually was. I'm about to spawn some WBS to coffee/coir and I wanted to get that vocab under my belt before I started it.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: BanjoMojo]
#7855313 - 01/09/08 06:42 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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BanjoMojo said:
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Nibin said: So while coir can be used as a casing ingredient, it isn't the best of them. In fact a common problem it caused was overlay, which is when the mycelium over colonizes the casing layer (which it tended to do with coir as it has nutes) and matts down, inhibiting pinning and water absorbtion.
Nibin, thank you for explaining overlay. I have been searching, without conviction albeit, and had yet to find a good definition of what it actually was. I'm about to spawn some WBS to coffee/coir and I wanted to get that vocab under my belt before I started it.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=60&Number=3290155&fpart=1&PHPSESSID=
Best thread there is related to overlay.
CC. The confusion is caused by you. In the first place you shouldn't be using an ambiguous term like casing. By using casing you might mean the whole tray of substrate plus casing layer but others might mean just the casing layer.
Use the specific terms casing layer and cased substrate.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Nibin]
#7855356 - 01/09/08 06:52 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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CC. The confusion is caused by you. In the first place you shouldn't be using an ambiguous term like casing. By using casing you might mean the whole tray of substrate plus casing layer but others might mean just the casing layer. -Nibin
Casing refers to the whole thing, which is a bulk sub with a casing layer on top.
Would you say, "place the casing into the FC", or "place the tray filled with bulk substrate with a casing layer on top in the FC."
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7855368 - 01/09/08 06:55 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: CC. The confusion is caused by you. In the first place you shouldn't be using an ambiguous term like casing. By using casing you might mean the whole tray of substrate plus casing layer but others might mean just the casing layer. -Nibin
Casing refers to the whole thing, which is a bulk sub with a casing layer on top.
Would you say, "place the casing into the FC", or "place the tray filled with bulk substrate with a casing layer on top in the FC."
Unless the context was totally clear I'd say place your cased substrate in the FC.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Nibin]
#7855385 - 01/09/08 06:58 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Alright, so are you suggesting I change the title of the post to "...to case a substrate and where to get them."
Seems a little nit picky, wish someone else would chime in on the casing term.
I would say tray or casing, since a casing layer without a substrate under it does not really exist.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7855410 - 01/09/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Casing refers to the whole thing, which is a bulk sub with a casing layer on top.
This is exactly why we BEG new growers to learn the ropes and complete a successful grow before they start posting 'teks', which are only going to further confuse new people.
The term casing does NOT refer to the whole thing. Casing refers to the non-nutritious layer on top of a substrate.
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Would you say, "place the casing into the FC", or "place the tray filled with bulk substrate with a casing layer on top in the FC."
Neither. You would say, "place the cased substrate into the FC"
The nomenclature that has evolved serves the purpose very well. The problem is with people throwing around terms they don't understand, which makes it almost impossible for new folks to learn. I can't emphasize enough the importance of learning a subject first, before trying to teach it to someone else. RR
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7855415 - 01/09/08 07:03 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Then Casing material if you prefer.
But because some people will use "casing" to refer to the casing material/layer (which I, personally, think is the correct use) and others use it to describe the whole substrate plus casing layer in a tray shebang, you should try to be more specific.
I'd have used: The only 7 ingredients to grow great cased substrates.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7855440 - 01/09/08 07:07 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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Casing refers to the whole thing, which is a bulk sub with a casing layer on top.
This is exactly why we BEG new growers to learn the ropes and complete a successful grow before they start posting 'teks', which are only going to further confuse new people.
The term casing does NOT refer to the whole thing. Casing refers to the non-nutritious layer on top of a substrate.
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Would you say, "place the casing into the FC", or "place the tray filled with bulk substrate with a casing layer on top in the FC."
Neither. You would say, "place the cased substrate into the FC"
The nomenclature that has evolved serves the purpose very well. The problem is with people throwing around terms they don't understand, which makes it almost impossible for new folks to learn. I can't emphasize enough the importance of learning a subject first, before trying to teach it to someone else. RR
Will RR backing me up finally convince you?
CC, I know you have good intentions. I like your idea of trying to collect useful links for future visitors but you really have to learn to jump before you try to leap.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7855474 - 01/09/08 07:11 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
Neither. You would say, "place the cased substrate into the FC"
The nomenclature that has evolved serves the purpose very well. The problem is with people throwing around terms they don't understand, which makes it almost impossible for new folks to learn. I can't emphasize enough the importance of learning a subject first, before trying to teach it to someone else. RR
I disagree Roger, do a search, most people call it a casing despite what you declare.
Cased Substrate is not easier to type then casing, and if you type them enough, your insistence on your nomenclature will waste many hours.
I am sure you are technically correct, you always are, but grammar and names mean little.
Goggle memes, tha't where it's at.
People should settle on what is easiest, not technical.
According to you people need to ask, "when can I place me cased substrate in my FC".
But isn't casing quicker to type?
I call rye berries RBs, hasn't caught on yet, but it makes sense, it's faster. Would you have me say rye berries or RBs?
Edited by Captain Cubensis (01/09/08 07:18 PM)
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