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Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to case a substrate and where to get them. * 1
    #7848080 - 01/08/08 01:54 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

This is stating the obvious to those in the know, but in 4 months of searching the archives and posts I really never found one post that listed everything you needed, what grade to buy, links to the teks in a simple format, easy for noobs to understand, and provided links to online vendors of those items.

Peat (fine) Sunshine brand

Perlite (medium) Nor-Cal

Vermiculite (medium) Therm-O-Rock

Coir (fine) Almost any brand will do, but avoid ones high in sodium.

Gypsum (fine) CalCM+ Plus Dual Purpose Gypsum

Oyster Flour (fine) Pacific Pearl

Organic Rye Berries Available at most health food stores, but you can get them online at Mycosupply.

You only need these 7 ingredients to mix great casings. If you wanna make PF Tek cakes, just substitute brown rice flour (BRF) for rye berries (RBs).

Everything but perlite and vermiculite need to be fine grade, the perlite and vermiculite must be medium grade, not fine, or large.

Make sure the rye berries are organic, non-hulled, or whole berries.

Also, the grade is rarely mentioned, and people can easily think that fine verm works as well as medium verm, which it does not, get medium grade vermiculite Therm-O-Rock.

People mention peat, but rarely mention it has to be the fine peat, with no strands or chunks of wood. Most commercial peat had a wetting agent added, and is not true organic like Sunshine.

Fine grade perlite does not work nearly as well as course, and paying $5 for 4 quarts at home depot is foolish when you could have 20 Cu Ft delivered for around $100.

Many coco bricks out there are fibrous, and not as good as the true coco peat, pith, or fine ground coco husk, and many posts about coir leave out sodium as an issue

The CalCM+ is 100% organic, 18% sulphur, 23% calcium, which is ideal. Dry wall is nearly identicle chemically, but it has synthetic binders and fire retardants added. If your fruits consume it, then so do you! Grow organic.

The oyster flour listed above is used in commercial mushroom farms, and is the preferred choice of most of the old hands here. It is a good alternative to hydrated lime, which is caustic, and not recommended for amateurs.

Make your self a Shotgun FC, with an ultra tubed in for misting, and 5 inches of damp, well drained perlite on the bottom.

Rye Berries Tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6936247#6936247

Casing Tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7479477&page=0&vc=1#Post7479477

Hyphae's Pinning Strategy
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3290155#3290155

Simple 6 step overview of a commercial mushroom farm.
http://www.mushroomcouncil.com/grow/sixsteps.html

If there is a mistake, or if I omitted something please, do tell.

Imagine this is your first time here, never grew, and you know nothing about mycology. Would you find this post helpful? You can't teach it all in one post, but this is a good start.


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get them. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7848210 - 01/08/08 02:19 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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Everything but perlite and vermiculite needs to be ground up and fine, the perlite and vermiculite must be medium grade, not fine, or large.



oh shit I must have been doing it wrong the whole time. thanks capn'cube for informing us that we need to grind up our rye.


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get them. [Re: xhooliganx]
    #7848230 - 01/08/08 02:23 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

You may wanna change the subject before RR sees it...
Casings are mixed, not grown, unless you consider growing coconutes to be a form of growing casing layer ingredients.


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7848303 - 01/08/08 02:38 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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Captain Cubensis said:
This is stating the obvious to those in the know, but in 4 months of searching the archives and posts I really never found one post that listed everything you needed, what grade to buy, links to the teks in a simple format, easy for noobs to understand, and provided links to online vendors of those items.

Peat (fine) Sunshine brand

Perlite (medium) Nor-Cal

Vermiculite (medium) Therm-O-Rock

Coir (fine) Almost any brand will do, but avoid ones high in sodium.

Gypsum (fine) CalCM+ Plus Dual Purpose Gypsum

Oyster Flour (fine) Pacific Pearl

Organic Rye Berries Available at most health food stores, but you can get them online at Mycosupply.

You only need these 7 ingredients to grow great casings.

Everything but perlite and vermiculite needs to be ground up and fine, the perlite and vermiculite must be medium grade, not fine, or large.

Make your self a Shotgun FC, with an ultra tubed in for misting, and 5 inches of damp, well drained perlite on the bottom.

Rye Berries Tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7479390#7479390

Casing Tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7479477&page=0&vc=1#Post7479477

Hyphae's Pinning Strategy
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3290155#3290155

Simple 6 step overview of a commercial mushroom farm.
http://www.mushroomcouncil.com/grow/sixsteps.html




What info is here that hasn't already been stated a million times?

Recycling old post into new ones?

Insted of starting new threads answer old ones?

As nice as it is in a day it will be lost into the black hole of a culitvation forum we have.


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: MYSTIQUE]
    #7848345 - 01/08/08 02:44 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Yeah all of that is in casing teks lol. Surely you have something better to do or post other then old info in a new thread.


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: MYSTIQUE]
    #7848373 - 01/08/08 02:52 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

MYSTIQUE said:
Quote:

Captain Cubensis said:
This is stating the obvious to those in the know, but in 4 months of searching the archives and posts I really never found one post that listed everything you needed, what grade to buy, links to the teks in a simple format, easy for noobs to understand, and provided links to online vendors of those items.

Peat (fine) Sunshine brand

Perlite (medium) Nor-Cal

Vermiculite (medium) Therm-O-Rock

Coir (fine) Almost any brand will do, but avoid ones high in sodium.

Gypsum (fine) CalCM+ Plus Dual Purpose Gypsum

Oyster Flour (fine) Pacific Pearl

Organic Rye Berries Available at most health food stores, but you can get them online at Mycosupply.

You only need these 7 ingredients to grow great casings.

Everything but perlite and vermiculite needs to be ground up and fine, the perlite and vermiculite must be medium grade, not fine, or large.

Make your self a Shotgun FC, with an ultra tubed in for misting, and 5 inches of damp, well drained perlite on the bottom.

Rye Berries Tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7479390#7479390

Casing Tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7479477&page=0&vc=1#Post7479477

Hyphae's Pinning Strategy
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3290155#3290155

Simple 6 step overview of a commercial mushroom farm.
http://www.mushroomcouncil.com/grow/sixsteps.html




What info is here that hasn't already been stated a million times?

Recycling old post into new ones?

Insted of starting new threads answer old ones?

As nice as it is in a day it will be lost into the black hole of a culitvation forum we have.




cut this shit out. you arent a mod. its not your job to go around and be a trolling dickhead in the cult forums. he thought he was doing something good for the community.. as he said not all of this info was posted in the same thread. no more, forum nazi.


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: DontPlay]
    #7848381 - 01/08/08 02:54 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

How is this character not banned yet?

Hes been whining over in W.A.F about RR as well.


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #7848435 - 01/08/08 03:07 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Show me one post that has all this info in it.

Thanks Mycopsyco, you are right.

Hell, search posts by those guys, I'll bet 80% of their replies are meaningless name calling, detraction, telling people they are dumb like 4rth graders on the playground.

What do you add to the community?

A person logging on for the first time and finding that post will be grateful.

Like I said in the first line, this is stating the obvious, if you already know, but if do not already know, then this would be helpful I think.

A few weeks back I asked people for good online vendors of gypsum, one mod told me to break up drywall!

I a pretty sure he uses the same stuff listed above, but wouldn't divulge the trade secrets!

Also, the grade is rarely mentioned, and people can easily think that fine verm works as well as medium verm, which it does not.

People mention peat, but rarely mention it has to be the fine peat, with no strands or chunks of wood. Most commercial peat had a wetting agent added, and is not true organic like Sunshine.

Fine grade perlite does not work nearly as well as course, and paying $5 for 4 quarts at home depot is foolish when you could have 20 Cu Ft delivered for around $100.

Many coco bricks out there are fibrous, and not as good as the true coco peat, pith, or fine ground coco husk.

Trust, me, ground up drywall is not as good as the Calcium Plus stuff I mention above. In addition to Calcium Sulfate it contains 10 other beneficial nutrients. And it is 100% organic, whereas dry wall has synthetic binders and fire retardants added.

The oyster flour listed above is used in commercial mushroom farms, and is the preferred choice of most of the old hands here.

Like I said, it's a shame people clutter this site with 80% mean spirited attacks on people, then claim they wish I wouldn't post so much.





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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get them. [Re: Fraggin]
    #7848520 - 01/08/08 03:24 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

Fraggin said:
You may wanna change the subject before RR sees it...
Casings are mixed, not grown, unless you consider growing coconuts to be a form of growing casing layer ingredients.




Good idea, already changed it, thanks for the constructive advice!

That's how this is supposed to work guys, people add suggestions not just detraction.

If there is a mistake, or if I omitted something please, do tell.

Imagine this is your first time here, never grew, and you know nothing about mycology.

Would you find this post helpful? Nearly everything you could show in one post. You can't teach it all in one post, but this is a good start.


Edited by Captain Cubensis (01/08/08 03:38 PM)


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7848556 - 01/08/08 03:32 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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A few weeks back I asked people for good online vendors of gypsum, one mod told me to break up drywall!




You can break up drywall. Drywall is made of gypsum, so it works fine...probably the cheapest way to get a bunch of gypsum is to break up a sheet of drywall.(they're only like $6)

As for the rest of the post...GOOD WORK!

I think we need more accurate posts containing lots of information...that way they outnumber the old-crappy-mininforming posts.

I'd give you 5 but I'm still too new. :smile:


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: likwid]
    #7848609 - 01/08/08 03:43 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate the support. and drywall does in fact work, yes, you are correct.

However, drywall contains synthetic binders and fire retardants, and is not organic. Eating fruits from organisms that consumed synthetic binders and fire retardents puts you at risk to also consume those chemicals. Not to mention breaking up drywall is nasty, messy work.

You can get 200 lbs, of the best gypsum out there, shipped to your door for $75, that's 200 lbs!

No binders, no fire retardants, 100% horticultural grade certified organic, and no breaking up drywall.


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7848640 - 01/08/08 03:46 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

mycopsycho said:Peat (fine) Sunshine brand

What info is here that hasn't already been stated a million times?

Recycling old post into new ones?

Instead of starting new threads answer old ones?

As nice as it is in a day it will be lost into the black hole of a cultivation forum we have.




cut this shit out. you aren't a mod. its not your job to go around and be a trolling dick head in the cult forums. he thought he was doing something good for the community.. as he said not all of this info was posted in the same thread. no more, forum Nazi.




Thanks MycoPsyco, plus, isn't that what editors do? Would history or science be accurate if EVERY entry was kept separate, on post-it notes?


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: likwid]
    #7848694 - 01/08/08 03:57 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Since I didn't see the thread title until you changed it, exactly what did it say before?

A few points are in order here. First, nice searching, but don't you think it would be a bit wiser to avoid posting teks until you've done them at least once? The procedure for getting the respect you crave is to grow some nice flushes, post the pictures, and then explain how you did it and what you used. It leaves yourself open to criticism when you post lots of questions, and then immediately write a 'tek' regarding what you were just asking.

The reason I say the above, is because your 'rye tek' is almost word for word my tek, except you got the gypsum part totally wrong. You would never use 10% gypsum in rye grains. A tablespoon in the pot of soaking water will do. Drywall is fine if you can't find the easy way and get a bag of granulated gypsum. The 'horticultural grade' gypsum I get from the local garden center is waste material and broken pieces from a drywall plant, complete with lots of pieces of white and brown paper. It works like a charm. As for using calcium with added 'nutrients' intended for plants, they will have little benefit for fungi.

You don't finely grind up casing layer ingredients. The courser it is the better. It's important for air to be able to penetrate the entire casing layer. A few small pieces of debris in the peat doesn't hurt a thing. I never remove them. That's the reason we pasteurize.

At any rate, lighten up people, and you too cc.
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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7848783 - 01/08/08 04:12 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

My only point really was to abridge, or edit together one post with the basic list to get started.

I couldn't find one RogerRabbit post in 4 months of searching that did what this post does, that's not a slam, I thought it was needed.

Mods force us all to search through all the bad info, I thought one post with no bad info was in order.

Roger, thanks for correcting the gypsum soak thing, I misunderstood you before, and appreciate your giving me the chance to correct it.

Is anything else listed above wrong?


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7848824 - 01/08/08 04:20 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

"your 'rye tek' is almost word for word my tek"
RR

Well, that should flatter you, but I never called it my tek, only claimed it was a clear succinct rye tek that works.

I found your rye tek verbose and hard to read, but great information, so in a sense I edited it.

Plus, if we are talking YOUR tek here, how old are you?

Cause I think they were using rye berries in mush farming before 1900.

Correct me if I am wrong, but to call any tek YOURS or HIS is incorrect IMHO, we all learn from those before us, and Roger you certainly didn't invent rye spawn.

"As for using calcium with added 'nutrients' intended for plants, they will have little benefit for fungi."
RR

Are you saying CalCM+ has little to no benefit to myc?
It contains 18.6% sulfur and 23.2% calcium, certainly those are good nutrients right?

What about the binders and fire retardants in drywall, if your fruit consumes them so do you.

"Since I didn't see the thread title until you changed it, exactly what did it say before?"
RR

It said to grow with instead of mix with.


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7848876 - 01/08/08 04:32 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

I take it back, arguing is pointless.

CC, did you take your rye berry info from 100 year old mushroom farmers or RR?


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Crasher]
    #7848921 - 01/08/08 04:40 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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Crasher said:
I take it back, arguing is pointless.

CC, did you take your rye berry info from 100 year old mushroom farmers or RR?




Roger is not the only person who advocates rinsing off your RBs, letting them soak for 24 hours, rinsing them off again, then boiling them to allow them to steam off.

You cannot patent a process that is older than you, nor claim it as your own.

Are you saying the post needs a sources page, AMA style?


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7848976 - 01/08/08 04:50 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Actually MLA citation is preferred.

Edited to add:

Although you cannot patent a process, you can present information to an internet forum as a technique that has been used successfully. The articulation of that technique is generally considered the intellectual property of the submitting user.



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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Crasher]
    #7849089 - 01/08/08 05:06 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

I would gladly link Roger's page instead of mine. Consider it done.

You are correct, I should not, do not, nor would claim to have ever grown illegal mushrooms like you guys have.

I will link to Roger's tek, who's Casing Tek should I link to?


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Re: Mycology Simplified: The only 7 ingredients you need to grow great casings, and where to get the [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7849510 - 01/08/08 06:10 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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However, drywall contains synthetic binders and fire retardants, and is not organic. Eating fruits from organisms that consumed synthetic binders and fire retardents puts you at risk to also consume those chemicals. Not to mention breaking up drywall is nasty, messy work.




True it is not organic, but not all drywall contains fire retardants. I should know I sell drywall. Drywall that is fire retardant (at my place of work) has "FIRE CORE" in big letters on the label. You're right about the synthetic binders though...but I have no idea if they are harmful or not.

Also, it does suck to break up. I wish there was a faster way than a hammer, but I haven't found one yet.


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