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The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch!
    #7847820 - 01/08/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

So I can't get the TNR article itself to load most likely because Drudge Report has it linked in bright red and the TNR site is probably overwhelmed with thru-traffic from Drudge. But here's another site where a writer (who is a libertarian and Ron Paul fan initially) takes a look at the TNR piece, pulls the most shocking pieces from it, and comes away finding that the "defense of Ron Paul is indefensible."

http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/ron_paul.php

Quote:

Racist Pull Quotes:

“[O]ur country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists—and they can be identified by the color of their skin.”

“I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city [Washington, D.C.] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

“We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational.”

“The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics.”

“The criminals who terrorize our cities—in riots and on every non-riot day—are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to “fight the power,” and to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible. Anything is justified against ‘The Man.’ And ‘The Woman.’’”

“My friend waved to the tiny [African-American] child, who scowled, stuck out her tongue, and said (somewhat tautologically): “I hate you, white honkey.” And the parents were indulgent. Is any white child taught to hate in this way?” [As a matter of fact, Paul has appeared on a radio program called “The Political Cesspool,” which has featured the neo-Nazi twin pop stars Prussian Blue. –ed.]

“But this is normal, and in fact benign, compared to much of the anti-white ideology in the thoroughly racist black community. The black leadership indoctrinates its followers with phony history and phony theory to bolster its claims of victimology.”

“Korean-Americans, hated by blacks, never riot, and in fact are some of the most productive people in America (the reason for black hatred).”

“The cause of the riots is plain: barbarism. If the barbarians cannot loot sufficiently through legal channels (i.e., the riots being the welfare-state minus the middleman), they resort to illegal ones, to terrorism.”

“We must not kowtow to the street hoodlums and their sanctimonious leaders.”

“Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots.”

“Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country.”

“Blacks have ‘civil rights,’ preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black beauty contests, black TV shows, black TV anchors, black scholarships and colleges, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda.”




Well I'm waiting till the TNR article itself is accessible before jumping the gun/forming an opinion just based on one blogger's take on an article I haven't read yet.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7847990 - 01/08/08 01:36 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Here's the TNR link, the article finally is reachable:

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca

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If you are a critic of the Bush administration, chances are that, at some point over the past six months, Ron Paul has said something that appealed to you. Paul describes himself as a libertarian, but, since his presidential campaign took off earlier this year, the Republican congressman has attracted donations and plaudits from across the ideological spectrum. Antiwar conservatives, disaffected centrists, even young liberal activists have all flocked to Paul, hailing him as a throwback to an earlier age, when politicians were less mealy-mouthed and American government was more modest in its ambitions, both at home and abroad. In The New York Times Magazine, conservative writer Christopher Caldwell gushed that Paul is a "formidable stander on constitutional principle," while The Nation praised "his full-throated rejection of the imperial project in Iraq." Former TNR editor Andrew Sullivan endorsed Paul for the GOP nomination, and ABC's Jack Tapper described the candidate as "the one true straight-talker in this race." Even The Wall Street Journal, the newspaper of the elite bankers whom Paul detests, recently advised other Republican presidential contenders not to "dismiss the passion he's tapped."

... [cont'd at link]






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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7848022 - 01/08/08 01:43 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Yeah, I read that, too.

This is nothing new, though. A number of sites have discussed this hateful crap from his newsletters in the past. I recognized lots of the excerpts in this latest article from previous exposés.

The difference in this article is the thoroughness of the research. Seems this guy has unearthed if not every Ron Paul newsletter ever printed, then the largest publicly accessible archive of them.

It won't make any difference to most Ronulans, though.





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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Phred]
    #7848114 - 01/08/08 02:01 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Here are some gems (and I think all Ron Paul supporters reading this should take care to read the opening paragraphs in the above link and see that the author, as Phred said, did very meticulous research when writing the article, considering past claims of these quotes being "out of context):

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Martin Luther King Jr. earned special ire from Paul's newsletters, which attacked the civil rights leader frequently, often to justify opposition to the federal holiday named after him. ("What an infamy Ronald Reagan approved it!" one newsletter complained in 1990. "We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.") In the early 1990s, a newsletter attacked the "X-Rated Martin Luther King" as a "world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours," "seduced underage girls and boys," and "made a pass at" fellow civil rights leader Ralph Abernathy. One newsletter ridiculed black activists who wanted to rename New York City after King, suggesting that "Welfaria," "Zooville," "Rapetown," "Dirtburg," and "Lazyopolis" were better alternatives. The same year, King was described as "a comsymp, if not an actual party member, and the man who replaced the evil of forced segregation with the evil of forced integration."




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While bashing King, the newsletters had kind words for the former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke. In a passage titled "The Duke's Victory," a newsletter celebrated Duke's 44 percent showing in the 1990 Louisiana Republican Senate primary. "Duke lost the election," it said, "but he scared the blazes out of the Establishment." In 1991, a newsletter asked, "Is David Duke's new prominence, despite his losing the gubernatorial election, good for anti-big government forces?" The conclusion was that "our priority should be to take the anti-government, anti-tax, anti-crime, anti-welfare loafers, anti-race privilege, anti-foreign meddling message of Duke, and enclose it in a more consistent package of freedom." Duke is now returning the favor, telling me that, while he will not formally endorse any candidate, he has made information about Ron Paul available on his website.




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In an item titled, "The Pink House?" the author of a newsletter--again, presumably Paul--complained about President George H.W. Bush's decision to sign a hate crimes bill and invite "the heads of homosexual lobbying groups to the White House for the ceremony," adding, "I miss the closet." "Homosexuals," it said, "not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities." When Marvin Liebman, a founder of the conservative Young Americans for Freedom and a longtime political activist, announced that he was gay in the pages of National Review, a Paul newsletter implored, "Bring Back the Closet!" Surprisingly, one item expressed ambivalence about the contentious issue of gays in the military, but ultimately concluded, "Homosexuals, if admitted, should be put in a special category and not allowed in close physical contact with heterosexuals."




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"Am I the only one sick of hearing about the 'rights' of AIDS carriers?" a newsletter asked in 1990. That same year, citing a Christian-right fringe publication, an item suggested that "the AIDS patient" should not be allowed to eat in restaurants and that "AIDS can be transmitted by saliva," which is false. [...] "gays in San Francisco do not obey the dictates of good sense," adding: "[T]hese men don't really see a reason to live past their fifties. They are not married, they have no children, and their lives are centered on new sexual partners." Also, "they enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick."




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From his newsletters, however, a different picture of Paul emerges--that of someone who is either himself deeply embittered or, for a long time, allowed others to write bitterly on his behalf.




Whether or not Ron Paul wrote the articles in question, he consistently published them right below a banner sporting his name.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7848125 - 01/08/08 02:03 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

I was wondering why the New Republic's site got overloaded earlier.

Fucked up.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Gijith]
    #7848139 - 01/08/08 02:07 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Wow. I can't get over this article. Unless Ron Paul can quite convincingly refute this well-presented body of evidence, I absolutely have no desire to see him succeed in any political realm whatsoever.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7848339 - 01/08/08 02:44 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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OneLessForeskin said:
Wow. I can't get over this article. Unless Ron Paul can quite convincingly refute this well-presented body of evidence, I absolutely have no desire to see him succeed in any political realm whatsoever.



He didn't write or say ANY of that. He has addressed this before. People used his name and published stupid shit under it - he has condemned it.

This is a dirty trick from a dirty asshole - who actually admitted Paul hasn't said any of it, and supported his position by saying "But he did speak at a secession conference in 1995!!!"

god damnit.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: vampirism]
    #7848371 - 01/08/08 02:51 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

If you want to clarify who "a dirty asshole" is I'd like to know, maybe even give me a link to help change my mind about this? God damnit doesn't do much for me.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: vampirism]
    #7848429 - 01/08/08 03:06 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Although he can distance himself from anything written in The Freedom Report, he can't escape the Ron Paul Political Report.

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Take, for instance, a special issue of the Ron Paul Political Report, published in June 1992, dedicated to explaining the Los Angeles riots of that year. "Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began," read one typical passage. According to the newsletter, the looting was a natural byproduct of government indulging the black community with "'civil rights,' quotas, mandated hiring preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black tv shows, black tv anchors, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda." It also denounced "the media" for believing that "America's number one need is an unlimited white checking account for underclass blacks." To be fair, the newsletter did praise Asian merchants in Los Angeles, but only because they had the gumption to resist political correctness and fight back. Koreans were "the only people to act like real Americans," it explained, "mainly because they have not yet been assimilated into our rotten liberal culture, which admonishes whites faced by raging blacks to lie back and think of England."




Or from the Ron Paul Investment Letter

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This "Special Issue on Racial Terrorism" was hardly the first time one of Paul's publications had raised these topics. As early as December 1989, a section of his Investment Letter, titled "What To Expect for the 1990s," predicted that "Racial Violence Will Fill Our Cities" because "mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified in stealing from mostly white 'haves.'"




His name is on the masthead, that's all you need to know.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7848432 - 01/08/08 03:07 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

God forbid we "indulge the blacks with civil rights"!


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7848482 - 01/08/08 03:16 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

He's responded to a lot of those quotes... most of them aren't even from his mouth but from a newslatter of his. He says a lot of those racist quotes were printed by some of the editors under his name without his knowledge and has apologized, stating that they don't reflect his opinion at all.

Give me an audio or video quote of any of these coming out of his mouth and I'd be more convinced he's a racist.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7848499 - 01/08/08 03:20 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

BrAiN said:
He's responded to a lot of those quotes... most of them aren't even from his mouth but from a newslatter of his. He says a lot of those racist quotes were printed by some of the editors under his name without his knowledge and has apologized, stating that they don't reflect his opinion at all.




So a guy who lets racist, homophobic, anti-semitic slander get printed in his name without his knowledge, on his flagship newsletter, for 10 years...I should trust this guy to run my country?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7848514 - 01/08/08 03:22 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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OneLessForeskin said:
If you want to clarify who "a dirty asshole" is I'd like to know, maybe even give me a link to help change my mind about this? God damnit doesn't do much for me.




sure.
this is a blog post on gays for ron paul by someone who knew the author of the TNR article. http://gays-for-ron.blogspot.com/2008/01/jamie-kirchick-i-dont-think-ron-paul-is.html
this shows the dirty, lying bastard part.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/125/ron-paul-statement-on-the-new-republic-article-regarding-old-newsletters
ron paul's personal response

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/018424.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/018422.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/018418.html
Lew Rockwell responds, also explains TNR principles.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7848518 - 01/08/08 03:23 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

I'd trust him more than a person who was 100% Iraq was close to building a nuke in 2003.

Nuke

Newletter

hmmm...

One is a bit more of an OOPS

Besides... doesn't the desire to decriminilize pot make up for that? :wink:


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7848541 - 01/08/08 03:27 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Besides.. it's not like anyone is perfect. People make mistakes.

Everyone's trusted someone at one point in their life who shouldn't have been trusted.

This is pretty much the ONLY dirt that anyone can seem to drag up on Paul. It's pathetic.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7848542 - 01/08/08 03:28 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

I find it funny that the very thing ron paul was talking about like "public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda" is the very reaction people have given it.

I dont find anything that he said to be offensive, or racist. it is sad that people are digging up letters from 20 years ago and then paraphrasing them in their blogs.... but whatever.
Go take a history lesson and dig up every single publication dealing with the prediction of crime in the 90's.... they will all say the very same thing. Everyone thought that there would be an immense rise in all crime, especially violent crime. The end of the 80's saw the crack boom at its pinnacle, which was primarily run by gangs of young black men, and our country saw the highest amoutn of black on black crimes and urban violence.
but they were all wrong.... why? because of Roe v. Wade and the legalization of abortion. there was actually a crime drop in the 90's, and it was directly due to the fact that unwanted, black children from broken homes werent being born in the exponential numbers that they were pre-RVW.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: vampirism]
    #7848546 - 01/08/08 03:29 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Blah blah blah...if Ron Paul disagrees with all these statements, why were they printed in his OFFICIAL NEWSLETTER, NUMEROUS TIMES? Ron Paul telling me he doesn't think these things doesn't go far at all.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7848560 - 01/08/08 03:33 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

zappa, I don't see any of those as being per se racist...

The LA PD ignored the black areas of LA, and these areas were free to succumb to mob rule. Yes, the rioters were mostly black.

If he really said some of the things in the original post, he's an asshole, but I don't care. I'll still vote for him not cuz I want to have children w/ him, but because I think a vote for him endorses a policy that needs to have a greater influence in washington.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7848565 - 01/08/08 03:34 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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OneLessForeskin said:
Blah blah blah...if Ron Paul disagrees with all these statements, why were they printed in his OFFICIAL NEWSLETTER, NUMEROUS TIMES? Ron Paul telling me he doesn't think these things doesn't go far at all.




judging from your response, you are stubborn and being at least temporarily close-minded. No one can convince you.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7848578 - 01/08/08 03:37 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Once again, not being "politically correct" and not ignoring stats and facts about criminals and the black population, does not equate racism.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: vampirism]
    #7848611 - 01/08/08 03:43 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

how sad that seemingly logical, emotionally stable people are affected by the "Rove tactics of how to win an election".

it doesnt matter how ludicrous or blatantly false it is, as long as you "break" some lie and time it just right to where it will be a last second dealbreaker right before the voting, but not allow enough time for the truth to be disseminated before voting happens.

he made a person that was the president of the National Committee to Prevent Child Abuse and Neglect out to be a pedophile.
he made a decorated war veteran who had lost his legs and one arm in combat out to be a traitor and unpatriotic.
the list goes on.... dont think that campaign strategists havent learned a thing or two from Rove, or are above doing such things.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: SoY]
    #7848878 - 01/08/08 04:33 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Dr Paul's very weak response:

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – In response to an article published by The New Republic, Ron Paul issued the following statement:

“The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

“In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’

“This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Gijith]
    #7848912 - 01/08/08 04:39 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Well when you have to repeat your apology over and over and over for a decade... you get a little tired of typing


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Gijith]
    #7848918 - 01/08/08 04:40 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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Gijith said:
Dr Paul's very weak response:




Is that sarcasm? The response isn't weak at all.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7848932 - 01/08/08 04:43 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Apparently "weak" = something less than an essay, no matter how direct and complete


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: johnm214]
    #7848993 - 01/08/08 04:52 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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johnm214 said:
zappa, I don't see any of those as being per se racist...






This is:

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mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified in stealing from mostly white 'haves.'"




It is a stereotypical prediction not a recititation of any fact.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7849009 - 01/08/08 04:54 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

I love how some people on here act incredulous when we dont believe what the bush administration claims, and will turn around and claim that someone like RP is lying.
hmmmm.... one has been caught in numerous lies and bending of truths while the other has yet to ever give any cause for distrust.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7849012 - 01/08/08 04:54 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

People on welfare feel justified and entitled to the money, or they wouldn't be on it. Percentage-wise more welfare recipients are African-American. How is this racist zappa?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: SoY]
    #7849029 - 01/08/08 04:56 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

"Mostly black"

Most welfare recipients are white.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7849058 - 01/08/08 05:03 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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In the past, scholars have noted that there were more White families in America on welfare than there were Blacks. That is no longer the case. Blacks now outnumber Whites. Black and Hispanic welfare recipients combined now outnumber Whites 2-1, according to a New York Times report.






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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7849112 - 01/08/08 05:10 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

its funny to see liberals and neocons both attacking paul. i think it almost proves he's doing something right:poopbanana:


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    #7849192 - 01/08/08 05:22 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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In the past, scholars have noted that there were more White families in America on welfare than there were Blacks. That is no longer the case. Blacks now outnumber Whites. Black and Hispanic welfare recipients combined now outnumber Whites 2-1, according to a New York Times report.






http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n12_v94/ai_21020055




That's interesting. Also irrelevant, since it was written nearly ten years after the Ron Paul Investment Letter article was written and the change in welfare didn't start until the 1996 legislation kicking people off.

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As early as December 1989, a section of his Investment Letter, titled "What To Expect for the 1990s," predicted that "Racial Violence Will Fill Our Cities" because "mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified in stealing from mostly white 'haves.'"




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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Gijith]
    #7849232 - 01/08/08 05:27 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Weak or not, it's the truth.

Bottom line is, no one anywhere has audio or video of Paul saying anything racists and he's been in Politics for over 20 years.

Nothing.

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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7849363 - 01/08/08 05:46 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

All this arguing against Paul is just a great appeal to emotion.

Look! Something bad about blacks!!!!......Not written by him.......and he apologized for it, recognizing it's existence and his RESPONSIBILITY.

Look at Romney when McKain and Huckachuck were grilling him on abortion in the last debate. "You were PRO CHOICE!!!"
-"No, that's not true"
"Here are facts that PROVE IT"
-"Well, I wasn't always pro choice"

Whether you agree with abortion or not, or that he is a flip-flopper or not, you must agree that Romney there told a lie, when he said that McCain's statement was not true.

These other politicians never take responsibility for their (numerous) fuck ups, they just lie. All they can do is attack each other, and then try to discourage opponents of hitting below the belt.

Keep playing the politics.

You must also recognize that people ARE in fact justified at characterizing Blacks with certain qualities, because they in fact characterize THEMSELVES with them.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7850474 - 01/08/08 09:00 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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"Mostly black"

Most welfare recipients are white.





Most everything in this country is white.


80% of the population is white. If there's any catagory that is NOT predominantly white, well, that would take some work.

about 14% of the population is black. you'd expect welfare to follow similar patterns, 80% white 14% black. it does not.

how does that work out then that blacks are more likely to be on welfare than whites, yet more whites are on welfare?

If you use your brain-muscle for a second you'd realize that if you're presented a random welfare recepiant, most likely they'd be white. if you're presented a random person and are to guess if they're on welfare or not, you'd be correct more often by always assuming the black ones are on welfare and the white ones are not.

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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7850849 - 01/08/08 10:05 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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OneLessForeskin said:
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BrAiN said:
He's responded to a lot of those quotes... most of them aren't even from his mouth but from a newslatter of his. He says a lot of those racist quotes were printed by some of the editors under his name without his knowledge and has apologized, stating that they don't reflect his opinion at all.




So a guy who lets racist, homophobic, anti-semitic slander get printed in his name without his knowledge, on his flagship newsletter, for 10 years...I should trust this guy to run my country?





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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7850993 - 01/08/08 10:27 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

It's hilarious to see all the PaulBearers desperately rationalizing all of Ron's racist garbage. He's batshit crazy, and the longer you support this bozo, the dumber you look.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: LucidDream]
    #7852563 - 01/09/08 07:17 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

It's funny watching people cling to scraps of any dirt to dig up about Paul when there aren't any


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7852600 - 01/09/08 07:41 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

No, it's funny when people get so behind a candidate they don't think there could possibly be any dirt on them.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7852603 - 01/09/08 07:45 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

It's funny when people dig through the bowls of history and find only one piece of dirt on a candidate that the candidate has explained and apologized for years ago... and people still try to stick it to him/her out of desperation.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7853678 - 01/09/08 01:32 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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“I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city [Washington, D.C.] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”





Its 100% bullshit that you say even though this appeared in his newsletter, that he bears no responsibility for it.

If any other politician's campaign said this, you would treat it like a nuclear weapon, but since your precious Dr. Paul said it, its no big deal.

This is a completely untrue, inflammatory, and racist remark.

There is no way you can justify saying something like this.

What, its okay because it was 20 years ago? This wasn't racist in 1978?

Fucking bullshit. Take off your blinders.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7853749 - 01/09/08 01:46 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

"Its 100% bullshit that you say even though this appeared in his newsletter, that he bears no responsibility for it.
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Who the hell said he takes no responsibility for it? Did you even READ his response to it on his web site?

At least he can ADMIT there were mistakes made. Go find me another politician that will admit when he/she fucks up. I think the last time a politician ever said "I take full responsibility for __insertfuckuphere___" was JFK and the Bay of Pigs.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7853757 - 01/09/08 01:47 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

You've spent this whole thread talking about how it was no big deal!


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7853775 - 01/09/08 01:50 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

It ISN'T.

If someone had actually heard him say that shit out of his own mouth I'd say it might be a big deal, but is a case of him hiring an idiot working on his newsletter.. no more.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7853778 - 01/09/08 01:51 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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It ISN'T a big deal. What's your point? I never said it was.

If someone had actually heard him say that shit out of his own mouth I'd say it might be a big deal, but is a case of him hiring an idiot working on his newsletter.. no more.




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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7853782 - 01/09/08 01:51 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Oops.. i fucked up by quoting something instead of editing...


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7853865 - 01/09/08 02:04 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Listen, its not like it was just some random piece of propoganda that happened to have his name on it.

This was Paul's PERSONAL newsletter, started by him to comment on public policy issues. To say that it was some moron he hired is asinine. There is no way that Paul was not on very close terms with someone that he would let publish articles in his PERSONAL newsletter.

No, I think it is much more likely that Paul did indeed at one time share the views that his PERSONAL newsletter espouses, and when he began to think seriously about a national office he decided it might be a good idea to refute said inflammatory remarks.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7853886 - 01/09/08 02:07 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Fine... if that's what you want to believe.

Even IF it were true, you know 99% of the christian republicans are a bunch of racist fucks anyways so it wouldn't really make him any different.

Hell... Trent Lott's still popular and an apology was all that was needed for the nation to seem to forgive him and he even said some racist shit out of his OWN mouth.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7853895 - 01/09/08 02:08 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

It doesn't fucking matter except that there is an incredible number of self abusers here who bored the living shit out of the sane people with this moron. I'd say stick a fork in him but he was never really on the fire. He isn't even half-baked. Although most of his fans are.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7853909 - 01/09/08 02:11 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

You're right, of course.

Has anyone seen Fireworks_god since this whole fiasco has gone down?

Did he throw himself off of a bridge?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7853913 - 01/09/08 02:12 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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Fine... if that's what you want to believe.

Even IF it were true, you know 99% of the christian republicans are a bunch of racist fucks anyways so it wouldn't really make him any different.




Although I'm not in that group I don't think that's very nice of you.
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Hell... Trent Lott's still popular and an apology was all that was needed for the nation to seem to forgive him and he even said some racist shit out of his OWN mouth.




OK, what was that? Saying something nice about a retiring old asshole? Menawhile, Robert KKK Byrd is the reigning king of pork. Trent Lott was a jerk-off but I don't know what you're talking about. He's way to smart of a cracker to get caught.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7853952 - 01/09/08 02:19 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

it really isnt that big of a deal. I think you guys are making a big deal out of it because you finally have something to point to and say that he is a bad guy, when before all you could do was make theoretical jabs at how his radical ideas could possibly cause (insert some erroneous, hyperbolic shit here like: everyone gets ebola and dies).

but what is really funny is that you have to go back 20 years to find something that he didnt write or say to even find any dirt on him...

it is such a pathetic story that the only place it keeps coming up is in this forum... because it has no legs. Like the bleeting sheep you are, you placate shady politics by trying to make this into a big deal and probably get on your myspace and gay blogs saying "leik OMG, did you hear! Ron Paul is leik, totally racist, here is what he said".
hmm... the story "re-breaks" the day before the NH primary.... why not just let them hold up a sign that corresponds to the emotion they want you to have.
Be appalled - "I am appalled at this"
apprehension - "I dont know about this Paul guy"
babble angrily - "mlah..mlahmmmm Ron llllimmm Paul .... racist... mlah mlah"

think this one through.... seriously.
Do you really think that someone could hold multiple terms, as well as be elected multiple times, then run for president multiple times while having something like this be even worthy of mentioning?
unless of course he was David Duke running on the "I hate niggers" platform.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7853954 - 01/09/08 02:20 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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Although I'm not in that group I don't think that's very nice of you.





Well I'm not a nice person >:P

There's something new. Zappa lecturing OTHER people on being nice. Hah!


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7853980 - 01/09/08 02:25 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Well, I can be mean to you and you can be mean to me but everybody else are just teh innocent victims of your meanyness. Brute. FOR THE CHILDREN.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7853989 - 01/09/08 02:28 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

i think ur a nice person BrAiN :crazy2:


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Coaster]
    #7854032 - 01/09/08 02:35 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Well I'm not!

I like to kick puppies!

And stick cats in pots of boiling water

And vote for Ron Paul.

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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7854034 - 01/09/08 02:36 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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YawningAnus said:
it really isnt that big of a deal. I think you guys are making a big deal out of it because you finally have something to point to and say that he is a bad guy, when before all you could do was make theoretical jabs at how his radical ideas could possibly cause (insert some erroneous, hyperbolic shit here like: everyone gets ebola and dies).

but what is really funny is that you have to go back 20 years to find something that he didnt write or say to even find any dirt on him...

it is such a pathetic story that the only place it keeps coming up is in this forum... because it has no legs. Like the bleeting sheep you are, you placate shady politics by trying to make this into a big deal and probably get on your myspace and gay blogs saying "leik OMG, did you hear! Ron Paul is leik, totally racist, here is what he said".
hmm... the story "re-breaks" the day before the NH primary.... why not just let them hold up a sign that corresponds to the emotion they want you to have.
Be appalled - "I am appalled at this"
apprehension - "I dont know about this Paul guy"
babble angrily - "mlah..mlahmmmm Ron llllimmm Paul .... racist... mlah mlah"

think this one through.... seriously.
Do you really think that someone could hold multiple terms, as well as be elected multiple times, then run for president multiple times while having something like this be even worthy of mentioning?
unless of course he was David Duke running on the "I hate niggers" platform.




So what is your explanation for this?

How did this stuff in get in Paul's newsletter?

Or do you deny that it was there in the first place?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7854040 - 01/09/08 02:36 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Damnit there goes my joke.. I guess that video you can't watch unless you're signed into youtube because you need to confirm you'e 18+

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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7854049 - 01/09/08 02:38 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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So what is your explanation for this?

How did this stuff in get in Paul's newsletter?

Or do you deny that it was there in the first place?




Obviously Maptowntripper can only read at a 4 year old level because he hasn't seen the billions of responses to this post already.


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    #7854303 - 01/09/08 03:30 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I find the argument that he didn't know people were writing this shit under his name, or that he knew but was unable to stop it...well, it just reeks of bullshit.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7854344 - 01/09/08 03:37 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Kick it over, if there's a more likely place to find a 'shroom than under a Paulite cowpie I don't know it.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7854777 - 01/09/08 04:52 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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YawningAnus said:
it really isnt that big of a deal. I think you guys are making a big deal out of it because you finally have something to point to and say that he is a bad guy, when before all you could do was make theoretical jabs at how his radical ideas could possibly cause (insert some erroneous, hyperbolic shit here like: everyone gets ebola and dies).

but what is really funny is that you have to go back 20 years to find something that he didnt write or say to even find any dirt on him...

it is such a pathetic story that the only place it keeps coming up is in this forum... because it has no legs. Like the bleeting sheep you are, you placate shady politics by trying to make this into a big deal and probably get on your myspace and gay blogs saying "leik OMG, did you hear! Ron Paul is leik, totally racist, here is what he said".
hmm... the story "re-breaks" the day before the NH primary.... why not just let them hold up a sign that corresponds to the emotion they want you to have.
Be appalled - "I am appalled at this"
apprehension - "I dont know about this Paul guy"
babble angrily - "mlah..mlahmmmm Ron llllimmm Paul .... racist... mlah mlah"

think this one through.... seriously.
Do you really think that someone could hold multiple terms, as well as be elected multiple times, then run for president multiple times while having something like this be even worthy of mentioning?
unless of course he was David Duke running on the "I hate niggers" platform.




So what is your explanation for this?

How did this stuff in get in Paul's newsletter?

Or do you deny that it was there in the first place?




I think that once you start denying something you are acknowledging its implications... in this case, there are no implications. Worst case scenario is that 20 years ago RP allowed statements that almost every white person thinks when they pass a ghetto to be published under his name.
I think it is funny that none of you are actually debating what was said.... you really havent even disagreed with it, but rather just gasped at the fact that someone actualy vocalized those sentiments rather than ignore the elephant in the room that is the race issue.

so let me ask you a question... what is the difference between someone having racially charged statements published under their name 20 years ago and a member of a church that has a history (and a present) of racial injustice (or lies about the fact that his father marched with MLK), or someone that says they hate gooks, or how fuckabee likes to lie about and single out pakistani immigration.... not to mention how much contempt he has for homosexuals?
did you get all that?

oh wait, you know what... john mccain apologized.... he still didnt win the Berkley nomination, but we forgave him, because he said he was talking about his captors..... tsk tsk.... now if anyone had ever uttered the black equivalent to that degree, no matter if they were referring to nigerians, they would never be able to live it down.

so, frankly, nothing that RP is being accused of even comes close to the sentiments and stances that the other candidates have.
it is ok to be a gay basher... it is ok to hate pakistani's... it is ok to hate asians... but the buck stops at black people apparently.
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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7854804 - 01/09/08 04:57 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

yeah, that's some swill in that newsletter...

I like how it rails against gays in the smithsonian... who cares.  If you don't want to support the smithsonian or whatnot, fine, but to shun them cuz of their association w/ some gay exhibit is stupid.

And the MLK section did seem to be a hit peice.  Don't know what the motivation was, but I presume it was related to the issue King spent most of his public life on.

:thumbdown:


But I'm still voting for him.  I like his principles.  That he was associated w/ typical conservative bullshit on social issues isn't cool, but he's still the best candidate for those who wish to have civil rights and personal liberty, regardless of his personal beliefs.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: johnm214]
    #7854836 - 01/09/08 05:02 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

if this crap makes Rp a racist, then all the candidates are racists. simple as that.
I think all this shows just how much fear RP instills in the republican party... it is already obvious that a republican isnt going to win this election, add the republican equivalent of Nader into the mix and you have one fucked party.

who knows though, this might actually help RP in the state where Strom Thurmond was incumbent for 300 years.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: johnm214]
    #7854932 - 01/09/08 05:21 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

What people infer about Paul supporters being crazy:

Yes, people are crazy when they get too concerned about politics. It's something they need to find boring, because thats what normal people do. They need to watch moar TV, and get their political from info when commercials come on, and not give it too much thought.

Things have been going well in the recent past, so we need to elect a leader like we had in the past, flashy, with memorable one-liners.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Minstrel]
    #7855225 - 01/09/08 06:21 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Factoids for the ignorant.

Ron Paul was the only Congress member to offer to chip in $100 of his own money to buy Rosa Parks a medal for her Civil Rights work achievements. He admired her acts of civil disobedience to make a stand for equal rights.

He models his non violent policies after the styles of Gandhi and MLK, both men he respects and admires for what they accomplished politically without violence.

Paul has a Black American economist at the top of his list for possible VP picks if he gets to that point. Walter Williams I think is his name. Paul thinks he is great!!

Paul is a huge Mohammad Ali fan. Saw him when he was a kid. Is using his Rope a Dope strategy in this election.

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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7855278 - 01/09/08 06:33 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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Factoids for the ignorant.

Ron Paul was the only Congress member to offer to chip in $100 of his own money to buy Rosa Parks a medal for her Civil Rights work achievements. He admired her acts of civil disobedience to make a stand for equal rights.




Didn't he vote against some official recognition? And offer this as a sop? $100? Whoopdefuckingdoo.
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He models his non violent policies after the styles of Gandhi and MLK, both men he respects and admires for what they accomplished politically without violence.




Riiiight, he's Gandhi. I for one don't think that here and now calls for a Gandhi figure. But then, some people think that sacrificing millions of lives in the name of pacifism is noble. I just think it's irresponsible. Gandhi had no choice.
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Paul has a Black American economist at the top of his list for possible VP picks if he gets to that point. Walter Williams I think is his name. Paul thinks he is great!!




Yippee! Doesn't erase those newsletters though, do it?
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Paul is a huge Mohammad Ali fan. Saw him when he was a kid. Is using his Rope a Dope strategy in this election.




Paul is the master of the Rope a Dope, only without the Rope. For anyone who remembers, that was NOT a typical Ali strategy. He used it once. Ali also spent a lot of time calling Joe Frazier, a good and decent man, the House Nigger. I loved Ali for his unparalleled boxing talent and elan but he could definitely be a piece of shit when it suited him.
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Hardly sounds like a White Supremacists to me.




Not that, but a lot of other stuff does. At any rate, Storm Front loves him.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7855358 - 01/09/08 06:52 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

He voted against it because he said, it wasn't fair to take tax payers money from them to buy it withy and that the people of congress who wanted her to get it should pay for it themselves. He was the only willing to chip in his own money to honor her with.

The above references are there to simply illustrate that, his goooing all over black Americans he respects and admires and likes to work with, doesn't fit the white supremest profile.

I studied the Storm front web-site long and hard when I was first running Paul through my personal pass or fail test before supporting him.

I learned this. They mostly like him because of where he stands on the second amendment. The members of storm front like their second amendment gun rights and think paul will do a better job of protecting them then anyone else running. After spending about a total of 12 hours of reading through their forums last May, I found no data or hard evidence on Paul supporting their white supremest values.

Recently Paul was asked why he accepts donations from white Supremest. He said,"If they are not doing constructive works with their own money, I'll be more then happy to take it from them to promote my message of Equal and Individual rights to freedom and liberty. :smile:

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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7855397 - 01/09/08 07:00 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

naw, stormfront likes him cuz of his stance against wellfare and cutting the federal gov't, so the darkies won't get benifits. That and letting states have their own civil rights laws (or lack thereof) w/out federal interference in housing, employment, et cet.

There are other republicans pro-gun, Paul's the only one who would address the previous points.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: johnm214]
    #7855634 - 01/09/08 07:35 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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naw, stormfront likes him cuz of his stance against wellfare and cutting the federal gov't, so the darkies won't get benifits. That and letting states have their own civil rights laws (or lack thereof) w/out federal interference in housing, employment, et cet.

There are other republicans pro-gun, Paul's the only one who would address the previous points.




Sure those issues came up. They were minor compared to the gun talks they were having back in May.

Paul is for small government because that's what the Constitution and Republicans are traditionally for. Paul is for states rights because that is what the Constitution and Republicans are traditionally for. Paul is for non welfare nanny states because that is what the Constitution and Republicans are traditionally for.

Paul is for them for his own reasons, which are different from why Storm front likes those Republican stances.

Anyone stupid enough not to see the spin of overlapping Storm fronts reasons over Paul's reasons, as if they were his too, is being ignorant and looking for what is not there, wanting it to be there so bad, they become delusional and start seeing things that are not there.

By the logic that overlaps ones reasons for something onto another's, you might as well call all Constitutionalists, Libertarians and Republicans racists.

Further more, Paul disagrees with the stupid reasoning of storm front that nanny state policy's help minorities.

The nanny states and groups rights policies have done nothing but help keep blacks and minorities repressed by treating them like they are less then and need 'special" help, like they are all Jerry's kids or something.

He doesn't believe minority groups need special help because they are less then. He believes they simply need individual and equal rights to have a fair shot at the American dream here. he sees and respects all human beings as deserving of equal rights- not less thens that deserve special rights for being less.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7855754 - 01/09/08 07:50 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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But then, some people think that sacrificing millions of lives in the name of pacifism is noble.




Pardon me, but what the fuck are you talking about?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Minstrel]
    #7855767 - 01/09/08 07:53 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

umm... he's talking about ghandi and the traditional view of him...

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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: johnm214]
    #7855794 - 01/09/08 07:59 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I think he was talking about the hunger strike against England.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7856075 - 01/09/08 08:53 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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Zzzap said:
I for one don't think that here and now calls for a Gandhi figure.




Why not? I'm brimming with curiosity on your rational for this opinion.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7857754 - 01/10/08 05:19 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Based on how he's done in the primaries so far, this is all moot anyways.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7858526 - 01/10/08 10:24 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

&eurl=http://ace.mu.nu/




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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Phred]
    #7858895 - 01/10/08 11:35 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Phred]
    #7858924 - 01/10/08 11:39 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

:rofl2:


Phred, what's the name of the video? I want to grab the link and post it somewhere else.

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    #7859366 - 01/10/08 01:05 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Code:
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    #7859473 - 01/10/08 01:23 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Thanks  John! :smile:


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7860152 - 01/10/08 03:26 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)



Well, CNN decided this story deserved mention on their front page. That's another ouch for the Paul campaign.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7860247 - 01/10/08 03:46 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7860299 - 01/10/08 03:57 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

How do you ouch a guy coming in 5th place out of 7?

Doing it alone makes one wonder if that 5th place out of 7th is really true.

What is CNN wasting their coverage time for? To knock Paul down below Hunter? :crazy:


Anyway, MSNBC is having Paul on today to clear it up , AGAIN. Gee didn't we do this 6 months ago and then everyone dropped it.

When are they going to start reporting on the Black supremest, racist Church, national front runner, Obama belongs too??


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7860459 - 01/10/08 04:34 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

It was CNN that just brought him on to clear it up with Blitz. Ron got pissed off too and I don't blame him. I hope he keeps that fire for the Republican debate tonight in SC

Part 1 is the dish of dirt, near the end of it and then in part 2 is where RP mops the floor with every jack ass trying to smear him with this crap.

Can we let it die now???

Part One



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    #7860460 - 01/10/08 04:35 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Looking forward to checking those out when I get home tonight.


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    #7860505 - 01/10/08 04:42 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

gettinjiggywithit said: Can we let it die now???

if Paul was a frontrunner it would be 24/7


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    #7860678 - 01/10/08 05:16 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

awesome, he would pardon all nonviolent drug offenders


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7860766 - 01/10/08 05:45 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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Part 1 is the dish of dirt, near the end of it and then in part 2 is where RP mops the floor with every jack ass trying to smear him with this crap.




Oh, please. Blitzer was about as gentle as he could be, and Paul still sputtered all over the place with irrelevancies, dodging the questions and trying to change the subject.

When Blitzer asked him if he'd ever read them, Paul sat there like a deer in the headlights. You could almost see the gears spinning furiously as he tried to figure out which was the answer least likely to play badly, then he unerringly chose the most damaging and least believable stance -- no, he hadn't seen them.

Give me a break, Dr. Paul. If this is so old and has been re-hashed so many times in the past that it irritates you to have to do it again, how can you possibly expect anyone with an IQ higher than a turnip to believe you never got around to reading this stuff?

He also makes much of being re-elected many times. He seems to think this proves the voters knew he didn't write what appeared in his newsletters. There is of course another possibility -- that quite a few of his voters agree with what was written in the newsletters, or at the very least (like more than one shroomerite posting in this thread) don't find it objectionable.

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Can we let it die now???




Sure we can let it die now. It's all a sideshow anyway, since he never stood a snowball's chance in hell of being the Republican choice from the get go, no matter how many millions he's been able to raise. It does however answer the question of why Stormfront and other neo-Nazi types have seen fit to support him.



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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Phred]
    #7860935 - 01/10/08 06:33 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Phred,

Blitz never said he believed Paul wrote that stuff and later said, he believed Paul did not write it. He had every reason to be gentle and he was never anyone I was aiming the floor mopping comment at.

It was aimed at anyone who would believe such a thing.

Of course Paul has heard of it, during the numerous rehashes where they keep coming up every time he ran for Congress. Of course Paul got confused by such a dumb question.

The No was for  his not having read them at the time they were being sent out.

Did you hear Paul? The newsletter had a circulation of 600,000 subscribers. It had an editor, that was not Paul and several writers, none of which were Paul at the time. Paul was busy with his OBGYN work and traveling during the years that stuff was written.

of course he is flustered to be called on something he admittedly wasn't that involved with, that happened decades ago, and none the less, he repudiated it all and said he finds it abhorrent to his values. He further carried on about how his liefs works and speeches support his beliefs in individual and equal rights and that his libertarian values are the enemy to racism.

What more do you want from the man???

Anyway,

MLK and RP have been fighting the same fight and are on the same team.
Watch it till the end, they are the same and these false smears are sad.:sad:



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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Phred]
    #7862743 - 01/10/08 11:36 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

you gotta have the IQ of a turnip to think that Rp would be "surprised" at that question.
I just watched it... deer in headlights is quite possibly the biggest hyperbole ever to describe that pause.... I have seen bigger pauses due to teleconference latency.
oh wait.. why dont you go listen to the pause between every single question that Blitzer asks and compare it to that pause.... the exact same lapse... latency.


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    #7862785 - 01/10/08 11:43 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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Martin Luther King Jr. earned special ire from Paul's newsletters, which attacked the civil rights leader frequently, often to justify opposition to the federal holiday named after him. ("What an infamy Ronald Reagan approved it!" one newsletter complained in 1990. "We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.") In the early 1990s, a newsletter attacked the "X-Rated Martin Luther King" as a "world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours," "seduced underage girls and boys," and "made a pass at" fellow civil rights leader Ralph Abernathy. One newsletter ridiculed black activists who wanted to rename New York City after King, suggesting that "Welfaria," "Zooville," "Rapetown," "Dirtburg," and "Lazyopolis" were better alternatives. The same year, King was described as "a comsymp, if not an actual party member, and the man who replaced the evil of forced segregation with the evil of forced integration."




This thread seems pretty beat, but I was reading this comment and it reminded
me of some comments Hitchens makes about King in God is Not Great. It seems
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    #7862874 - 01/10/08 11:56 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

yeah the only one where there wasn't a lag in the question and answer was where blitzer asked a question and continued for a few words and pual jumped in (probably in the middle of him hearing blitzer talking on his end)

but whatever, I doubt paul is telling all he knows about this, but I don't really care. a vote for him is a vote for his economic and social policy and message, and everyone knows it


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    #7863016 - 01/11/08 12:32 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

I posted this in the other thread about candidates and their bigotries and meant to post it here.

A Paulite elsewhere researched this to help clear thing up-


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The "writer" of the racist newslettes writes "I bought my first copy of the men's fashion magazine GQ..."
http://www.tnr.com/downloads/March1990.pdf


But in a conversation written in an article by the New York Times from this summer, Paul has no idea what that magazine is.

"“GQ wants to profile you on Thursday,” Benton continues. “I think it’s worth doing.”

“GTU?” the candidate replies.

“GQ. It’s a men’s magazine.”

“Don’t know much about that,” Paul says. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/ma.../22Paul-t.html

Hopefully my quick google search can clear up some misconceptions people have about Paul.




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    #7863777 - 01/11/08 06:40 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

From http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/10/video-only-man-who-can-save-america-spins-like-a-top-while-sandbagging-wolf-blitzer/




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Can anyone but the most credulous Ronulans on the face of the earth buy the spin that Ron Paul a) doesn’t know who wrote his newsletter, b) he can’t find out who wrote it and that c) he never even read it for all those years? That’s his defense. He even compared it to a magazine owner who doesn’t know everything that goes into the magazines he publishes, which is absurd. His newsletter wasn’t a sprawling, international operation with bureaus stretching from Texas to Moscow to Beijing, Baghdad and beyond: It was a newsletter put together with desktop publishing software by someone that he, Ron Paul, hired to put it together. Its purpose was to put Ron Paul’s world view out there for his fans to read. If the Ron Paul newsletter wasn’t representing the Ron Paul world view, what was its purpose? I’m sure the Paul supporters that we have around here will do their absolute best to defend and explain this, but Paul’s spin really is an insult to their and everyone else’s intelligence. It makes no sense from any angle.

If his spin is true, then take it for what it is: Ron Paul is so incompetent that he’s not only not fit to run the executive branch or a Dairy Queen, he’s not even fit to write a check. That is what he was doing all those years, writing checks to people who were publishing nonsense in his name, people he can’t identify now who he now claims were writing things that he didn’t even believe. But he was such a hands-off guy that he never bothered to take an editorial look at what they were writing, across a decade. Talk about an easy boss.

On the other hand, if his spin is not true, then he’s lying now and he really did believe all that back when it was published and may still believe it. And if he’s lying, he’s not quite the principled patriot that his fans believe he is.

But do you know what irks me most about this interview? It’s the way Wolf Blitzer just lets Paul sandbag him with long, irrelevant answers. He lets Paul rant on and on about what a great, tolerant guy he is, and never once brings up any of the angles I brought up in my post about Paul’s newsletters yesterday — http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/09/the-problem-with-paul/ — the association with Truthers, the donation from Stormfront, any of it. Blitzer did a terrible job in this interview, and whiffed on a chance to put Paul out of the race once and for all. He left that job to the other GOP candidates in tonight’s debate, and I wonder if he didn’t do that intentionally.




Apart from that last bit about knocking Paul "out of the race" (he was never in the race to begin with), this guy nails it. Since I know few readers will bother to check the embedded link in the above cut and paste, here it is --

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We have a little unfinished business from yesterday. Allah had the post — TNR’s James Kirchick tracked down some old Ron Paul newsletters and found them…disturbing. Now, looking over Kirchick’s work, I have to agree with Ace that the TNR scribe steals some bases by including marginal quotes that aren’t on their face racist or crazy. It was, for instance, not insane to postulate that South Africa would become a killing ground after apartheid’s end. That’s not an argument for apartheid, by the way, or for maintaining the status quo there. It was a plausible prediction based on Africa’s terrible history of tribal and racial warfare, history that continues to this day in Zimbabwe, Sudan and elsewhere. Thankfully that prediction didn’t come to pass, and history records Nelson Mandela as the main reason why. By including that kind of material along with the truly objectionable material, Kirchick suggests a whole line of topics are entering a new taboo.

But even if you weed out the marginal stuff, there’s much, much more there and it’s bad. There’s support for David Duke.

Quote:

While bashing King, the newsletters had kind words for the former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke. In a passage titled “The Duke’s Victory,” a newsletter celebrated Duke’s 44 percent showing in the 1990 Louisiana Republican Senate primary. “Duke lost the election,” it said, “but he scared the blazes out of the Establishment.” In 1991, a newsletter asked, “Is David Duke’s new prominence, despite his losing the gubernatorial election, good for anti-big government forces?” The conclusion was that “our priority should be to take the anti-government, anti-tax, anti-crime, anti-welfare loafers, anti-race privilege, anti-foreign meddling message of Duke, and enclose it in a more consistent package of freedom.” Duke is now returning the favor, telling me that, while he will not formally endorse any candidate, he has made information about Ron Paul available on his website.




There’s paranoid support for the militia movement.

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In January 1995, three months before right-wing militants bombed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, a newsletter listed “Ten Militia Commandments,” describing “the 1,500 local militias now training to defend liberty” as “one of the most encouraging developments in America.” It warned militia members that they were “possibly under BATF [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms] or other totalitarian federal surveillance” and printed bits of advice from the Sons of Liberty, an anti-government militia based in Alabama–among them, “You can’t kill a Hydra by cutting off its head,” “Keep the group size down,” “Keep quiet and you’re harder to find,” “Leave no clues,” “Avoid the phone as much as possible,” and “Don’t fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here.”




There’s veiled anti-Semitism combined with rank stupidity.

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Of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, a newsletter said, “Whether it was a setup by the Israeli Mossad, as a Jewish friend of mine suspects, or was truly a retaliation by the Islamic fundamentalists, matters little.”




Right. The actual perps and their motive “matters little,” except that Paul continually trots out the trope that the jihadis are motivated not by what their religion teaches them but by the fact that our troops protect their countries from other hostile countries. Surely even he can see that Mossad and al Qaeda would have different motives for attacking the US, even if he’s nutty enough to believe that Mossad would actually attack the US.

Paul’s defense of these newsletters has evolved over time, from the offending lines having been “taken out of context” to having been ghost-written by some unknown, not to him but to us, figure. *** Note from Phred -- Paul told Blitzer yesterday that even he (Paul) doesn't know who wrote the stuff. *** Eric Dondero, who was Paul’s employee for years, says the ghost writer was Lew Rockwell. That’s very plausible; Paul and Rockwell are ideologically similar. Rockwell’s site is one of many online bastions for defenses of All Things Paul.

But here’s the thing about all of this. To borrow Paul’s spin on the 1993 WTC bombing, it actually does matter little if Paul wrote the crazy himself or had it ghostwritten under his own name. There’s a pattern developing with the Paul campaign that’s become too obvious to ignore. We have a pile of newsletters containing the more than occasional crazy. We have Paul being photographed with members of Stormfront, from whom he accepts donations. And we have Paul supporters celebrating terrorist Guy Fawkes on their big Ron Paul fundraiser day. And we have a mob of Paul supporters harassing Sean Hannity with obscenities. And despite the fact that Paul says he’s not a Truther, he has undeniably courted the Truther vote by hanging out with uber Truther Alex Jones.

Anything in the above paragraph, seen in isolation, is disturbing. But taken all together, it’s clarifying. Ron Paul isn’t just a “small government, constitutionalist libertarian.” I wish he was; that’s how he has long sold himself to the good people who have supported him all these years. But the truth is that he’s bad and many of his friends are worse. A vote for him is a vote for them. Yet Andrew Sullivan and his fellow prominent Paul supporters like NRO’s John Derbyshire remain blissfully unconcerned about it. This is serious stuff, but it hasn’t made a difference to them at all. Coming from any other candidate, and especially one they had not already publicly supported, it’s reasonable to expect that their reactions would be very, very different. Sullivan for one has treated terrorist propaganda about torture with far less caution than he’s showing with regard to Paul’s newsletters.

Back to the newsletter and then I’m done. Let’s take Paul’s latest defense at face value for a second. The best that can be said about it is that he mismanaged a newsletter and turned it over to cranks who don’t represent his views. Set aside that there’s a remarkable consistency between the views expressed in the newsletters and the views many of his supporters hold now. If Paul really didn’t write the most risible material in that newsletter, and if the ghostwriters really don’t represent his views, then he isn’t even competent enough to manage a newsletter in a way that keeps out the riffraff and represents his own thinking. Paul supporters still want to turn the executive branch of the government over to someone who exhibits this level of incompetence across a stretch of years?

I’m sorry, but that’s insane. Ron Paul has many honorable supporters among the crowd who genuinely believe that he’s just a small-government libertarian. Most of his supporters are probably of that stripe, and not part of the the Duke/Rockwell/Stormfront/Truther wing of the Paul movement at all. Now is the time for them to examine the evidence and choose whether continued support for Paul and his mob is wise or moral.




There are quite a few embedded links in there which I can't be bothered to set up. If you want to investigate them, be my guest.

As the writer I've linked notes, if this kind of thing had been published over the course of five or more years in (for example) "The Romney Report", none of y'all would be scrambling to excuse it.



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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Phred]
    #7863839 - 01/11/08 07:05 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

I figured Phred, you of all people, would be a fan of Ron Paul.

Didn't you move to the Dominican republic to get away from a system that taxed the fuck outta you and got all up in your business?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7863871 - 01/11/08 07:24 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

I like a lot of the things Paul claims to like. But a lot of the rest of the stuff he claims to like is just loony. And the man himself is a crank.

Having said that, if he were to run for president as the Libertarian Party candidate, and I were a US citizen, I would vote for him. But that's because I believe it is always better to vote Libertarian Party in presidential elections than to vote Repub or Dem -- regardless of who the actual candidates might be. It's a "message" voting strategy.




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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Phred]
    #7863884 - 01/11/08 07:32 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

Describe loony? Eliminating the IRS? Getting rid of the 100's of bases we have in foreign countries?

Or just the GENERAL overall massive changes that would happen if he were in office?


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    #7863952 - 01/11/08 08:12 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

just seems like ppl bitch and whine about shit all the time and when someone tries to DO something about it.... ppl just label him as a loon


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7865803 - 01/11/08 04:32 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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I find the argument that he didn't know people were writing this shit under his name, or that he knew but was unable to stop it...well, it just reeks of bullshit.




I agree with you that it's likely bullshit that he didn't know that these things were being published. Paul really got put to a sticky decision regarding how to respond to the statements. A.) Risk looking racist by trying to explain why he said what he said in the publications. B.) Risk looking like an incompetent loon by denying having any knowledge of what was in the publications. If he honestly had no clue about these statements that makes me question whether or not he'd be a competent president. If he can't keep track of statements published in his own newsletter why should I believe he could keep track of a whole country?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Phred]
    #7866062 - 01/11/08 05:22 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

Phred said:
I like a lot of the things Paul claims to like. But a lot of the rest of the stuff he claims to like is just loony. And the man himself is a crank.

Having said that, if he were to run for president as the Libertarian Party candidate, and I were a US citizen, I would vote for him. But that's because I believe it is always better to vote Libertarian Party in presidential elections than to vote Repub or Dem -- regardless of who the actual candidates might be. It's a "message" voting strategy.




Phred




I don't know what you mean by "the man himself is a crank".

He seems like a decent guy to me, based upon the gushing bullshit shown on youtube and company. What do you mean?

He seems sincere at least.

But I agree w/ your stance on voting libertarian, which I do in presidential and gubernatorial races. This is the same view I take w/ Paul. Its another (second) chance in the same election to vote for freedom from social repression and overbearing military influence and spending.

Knowing that Paul will not suceed if anything makes it easier for me to vote for him. Everyone knows that a vote for paul is a vote to
1. decentralize government
2. stop excessive military spending and involvement
3. allow states to make their own laws without government interference
4. stop the federal drug war and interference w/ states rights in medicine and law (lesser known but just as important, if not moreso)


I'll vote for Paul in the primary and a libertarian in the general election. Generally I probably wouldn't even care so much about a primary election, as the issues I really care about (whether in the state or federal arena) are about the same level of shitiness across candidates (tough on crime bullshit which locks up nonviolent victimless criminals for dealing drugs, making drugs, and using drugs... we've got this meth hysteria here and we're locking up people for years for simply having iodine matchbooks and pseudophed boxes... crazy)

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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: johnm214]
    #7867963 - 01/12/08 02:19 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

I think this is the right approach- your vote should be a message, not a strategy. Paul won't take this one but the momentum his platform is already creating is equally important as a symbol of intent. We should have more individual accountability not more government at home and abroad.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: johnm214]
    #7869023 - 01/12/08 01:04 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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johnm214 said:

I don't know what you mean by "the man himself is a crank".




Perhaps this will clear that up a little.

http://minx.cc/?post=251564

Quote:

This is not from a newsletter, but a letter to supporters sent out under the letterhead of 'Congressman Ron Paul' and signed by hand (probably photocopied).

I have unmasked the plot for world government, world money, and world central banking. Planned exchange controls to hold you hostage…while the dollar drops down a hole…

I revealed the Red debt bomb set to explode in your bank account…The real, financial reasons Bush invaded Panama. The nightmare of a ‘cashless society’ (watch out for it, if they get away with the New Money)…

I’ve been told not to talk, but these stooges don’t scare me. Threats or not threats, I’ve laid bare the coming race war in our big cities. The federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS (my training as a physician helps me see through this one.)

The Bohemian Grove – perverted, pagan playground of the powerful Skull & Bones: the demonic fraternity that includes George Bush and leftist Senator John Kerry, Congress’s Mr New Money. The Israeli lobby, which plays Congress like a cheap harmonica. And the Soviet-style ‘smartcard’ the Justice Department has in mind for you.

There are eight pages of this stuff...





Follow the link and click the hi-lited text in the gray box. It will take you to an 8 page PDF that is ostensibly a letter on Congressional letterhead with his signature. Read it all, they didn't print nearly the half of it above.

Anybody who votes for this asshole is a useless idiot and slavish follower of fashion. He is a bigot, a homophobe, all around douche and panders to the most vulnerable members of American voters, disaffected youth.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7869033 - 01/12/08 01:07 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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Anybody who votes for this asshole is a useless idiot and slavish follower of fashion. He is a bigot, a homophobe, all around douche




He is running on the Republican ticket.

I doubt any of those character flaws will bother the common Republican voter, who is bigoted, homophobic, and usually tends towards douchery.

Douchery?

Douchiness?

Fuck it, you're literate, you know what I mean.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7869060 - 01/12/08 01:16 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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He is running on the Republican ticket.

I doubt any of those character flaws will bother the common Republican voter, who is bigoted, homophobic, and usually tends towards douchery.






Then how come most of the people who support this douche weren't even in the Party of Cracker until started this campaign?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7869099 - 01/12/08 01:31 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

That wasn't the point.

Obviously, his supporters will support him. Thats why they are his supporters.

I was just making the point that his stances on those issues probably wouldn't matter to the average Republican voter. Maybe they have someone else they support, but I can't seem them bothered by his apparent desire to deport blacks and quarantine homosexuals.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7870333 - 01/12/08 06:52 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

johnm214 said:

I don't know what you mean by "the man himself is a crank".




Perhaps this will clear that up a little.

http://minx.cc/?post=251564

Quote:

This is not from a newsletter, but a letter to supporters sent out under the letterhead of 'Congressman Ron Paul' and signed by hand (probably photocopied).

I have unmasked the plot for world government, world money, and world central banking. Planned exchange controls to hold you hostage…while the dollar drops down a hole…

I revealed the Red debt bomb set to explode in your bank account…The real, financial reasons Bush invaded Panama. The nightmare of a ‘cashless society’ (watch out for it, if they get away with the New Money)…

I’ve been told not to talk, but these stooges don’t scare me. Threats or not threats, I’ve laid bare the coming race war in our big cities. The federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS (my training as a physician helps me see through this one.)

The Bohemian Grove – perverted, pagan playground of the powerful Skull & Bones: the demonic fraternity that includes George Bush and leftist Senator John Kerry, Congress’s Mr New Money. The Israeli lobby, which plays Congress like a cheap harmonica. And the Soviet-style ‘smartcard’ the Justice Department has in mind for you.

There are eight pages of this stuff...





Follow the link and click the hi-lited text in the gray box. It will take you to an 8 page PDF that is ostensibly a letter on Congressional letterhead with his signature. Read it all, they didn't print nearly the half of it above.

Anybody who votes for this asshole is a useless idiot and slavish follower of fashion. He is a bigot, a homophobe, all around douche and panders to the most vulnerable members of American voters, disaffected youth.




I dont get why this makes him a loon?
does the bohemian grove exist or not? does it house fraternal get-togethers by people like presidents?
are we not being edged towards a cashless society?
was there not an act of atleast omission (maybe cover-up is a bit harsh) regarding the AIDs epidemic?

how is this pandering more that when Fuckabee writes "the homosexual agenda.... blah blah blah.... for the children..... god bless.... blah blah blah.... fuck pakistani's.... blah blah blah.... family values" to his constituents?

I am sure that your RP rants are primarily fueled by schadenfreude hard-ons... but you and some of the other, usually level headed people, have seriously lost sight of the shore and are lost in the ocean of hypocrisy.
Every single thing that you are faulting RP for, is EXACTLY what every single other candidate is doing, and has done for years.... the only difference between RP and everyone else, is that he isnt trying to lie or fool anyone into believing that he is someone that he isnt.
read my lips... no new taxes.... it doesnt matter what you say, because as long as you get in office, you dont have to worry about pissing the public off.... you got elected.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7870613 - 01/12/08 07:50 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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how is this pandering more that when Fuckabee writes "the homosexual agenda.... blah blah blah.... for the children..... god bless.... blah blah blah.... fuck pakistani's.... blah blah blah.... family values" to his constituents?





It's not. I hate Huckabee too. So does everybody else here, who'm I going to argue with. That is zero excuse for Paul being a racist fear monger and conspiracy theory douche. And when I said he panders to the weakest members of society I meant weak-minded. When you're as looney as he is that's all you can get.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7871026 - 01/12/08 09:24 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

so are you even going to vote?

im dying to know who you are behind.

or are you a blanket, turn your head and cough, party voter?


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    #7871032 - 01/12/08 09:26 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

He's for Giuliani, he's said it many times.


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    #7871048 - 01/12/08 09:30 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Ugh, I just found out the other day that the smartest person I know in the whole wide world is a Guliani voter.

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    #7871060 - 01/12/08 09:32 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7872643 - 01/13/08 08:53 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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That is zero excuse for Paul being a racist fear monger and conspiracy theory douche.




Conspiracy theory douche?

Saying he DOESNT believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theory bullshit and asking his supporters who claim the conspiracy is true under his name to STOP DOING so makes him a conspiracy theory douche?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7872672 - 01/13/08 09:07 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

There was much more than just the Troofers. Nafta superhiway. Read the link to the actually newsletter. He goes on at length about the new bills and how they are a plot to......something nefarious. There's more. "The federal homosexual coverup on AIDS. (My training as a physician helps me see through...)"

Go to my previous post and follow the link to minx. Once there, click the link in the gray box. It will take you to a PDF of the whole newsletter. I'd love to paste it for you but I don't know how to cut and paste a PDF or even link directly to one. If you don't read it you don't care, which is fine with me. The guy isn't winning anything anyway and he may even find his seat in jeopardy due to him outing himself like this. He should have stayed under that dumb Texas rock he found for himself.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7872795 - 01/13/08 10:04 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Ugh, I just found out the other day that the smartest person I know in the whole wide world is a Guliani voter.

I still don't know what to make of that.




How did you come to know someone so brilliant? Surely those aren't the normal circles you travel in.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7872964 - 01/13/08 11:17 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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    Madtowntripper said:
   
Ugh, I just found out the other day that the smartest person I know in the whole wide world is a Guliani voter.

    I still don't know what to make of that.






How did you come to know someone so brilliant? Surely those aren't the normal circles you travel in.





The smartest person you know supports Giuliani?  I'm sorry you're also surrounded by idiots.

Reminds me of the other day while working at the gas station.  A regular came in and starting ranting about how Obama sounds like Osama and that all muslims are our sworn enemy and that Obama was a sleeper aspiring to destroy America..... :nonono:

People are fucking stupid.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: SoY]
    #7873001 - 01/13/08 11:27 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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People are fucking stupid.




No shit. I doubt we would agree much on just who the stupid ones are though.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: SoY]
    #7873173 - 01/13/08 12:20 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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    Madtowntripper said:
   
Ugh, I just found out the other day that the smartest person I know in the whole wide world is a Guliani voter.

    I still don't know what to make of that.






How did you come to know someone so brilliant? Surely those aren't the normal circles you travel in.





The smartest person you know supports Giuliani?  I'm sorry you're also surrounded by idiots.

Reminds me of the other day while working at the gas station.  A regular came in and starting ranting about how Obama sounds like Osama and that all muslims are our sworn enemy and that Obama was a sleeper aspiring to destroy America..... :nonono:

People are fucking stupid.




LOL @ you making the assumption that all Giuliani supporters are idiots while simultaneously ranting about some guy who was making assumptions about people with names that sound like Osama. Do you not see the irony?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7873276 - 01/13/08 12:54 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Ugh, I just found out the other day that the smartest person I know in the whole wide world is a Guliani voter.

I still don't know what to make of that.




How did you come to know someone so brilliant? Surely those aren't the normal circles you travel in.




No, he's a former professor at UIC. Not one of my professors, as I only attended there one semester, but w/out a doubt the smartest person I have ever met. He is I believe the Dean of the school of Psychology there, or high up in the department at any rate.

He is also Jewish, which I suspect is the reason he is for Rudy.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7873284 - 01/13/08 12:56 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Most Jews tend to vote Democrat and be liberals. Damned if I can figure that out even though it infests my own home.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7873285 - 01/13/08 12:57 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

You married a Jewish Democrat?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: it stars saddam]
    #7873303 - 01/13/08 01:03 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Yes:eek:


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7873310 - 01/13/08 01:05 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Jewish women are pretty hot.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: it stars saddam]
    #7873318 - 01/13/08 01:09 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Some of them. Crazy too. In the right way.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7873333 - 01/13/08 01:14 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Crazy isn't just restricted to Jewish chicks.

90% women are crazy. The other 10% just hides their crazy until you get married.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7874068 - 01/13/08 04:08 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Most Jews tend to vote Democrat and be liberals. Damned if I can figure that out even though it infests my own home.




The Jew In Question here is a very old Jew who is also a very strong Zionist.

Most Zionists are Republicans, at least in my experience.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7877243 - 01/14/08 07:19 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

You'd think most Jews would vote republican seeing as how they'd like to keep all that hard earned money from popping diamonds out their asses.

BOH!!!

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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7877627 - 01/14/08 10:00 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

What do you mean by Zionist?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7877660 - 01/14/08 10:14 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

A strong advocate for the existence of the state of Israel, as well as for the continued American support thereof.

Maybe "Zionist" isn't the right term. I don't mean it in the way the white supremacists and other kooks do.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7877716 - 01/14/08 10:38 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

I strongly support the existence of Israel because of the UN partitioning of the middle east and their subsequent ability to hold it. I give zero credence to any notion of divine right. Am I a Zionist?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7877768 - 01/14/08 11:03 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Tough to say!

You're right that the religious aspect is certainly a key one.

In my limited definition, probably yes.

But I'm completely opposed to the entire idea of the state of Israel, so my definition is probably not the same as that of someone else. I'm not Webster, that's for sure.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7878496 - 01/14/08 02:03 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Well then, you should object to every nation in the region and maintain that NONE of the borders have any validity. Or any borders ever drawn up anywhere at any time.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7878580 - 01/14/08 02:24 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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There was much more than just the Troofers. Nafta superhiway. Read the link to the actually newsletter. He goes on at length about the new bills and how they are a plot to......something nefarious. There's more. "The federal homosexual coverup on AIDS. (My training as a physician helps me see through...)"





I don't know what was said in the past by Paul, but at the recent youtube debates he was directly asked about this "conspiracy" and he disclaimed any belief in a concerted conspiracy:

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YouTube question: Good evening, candidates. This is (inaudible) from Arlington, Texas, and this question is for Ron Paul.

I've met a lot of your supporters online, but I've noticed that a good number of them seem to buy into this conspiracy theory regarding the Council of Foreign Relations, and some plan to make a North American union by merging the United States with Canada and Mexico.

These supporters of yours seem to think that you also believe in this theory. So my question to you is: Do you really believe in all this, or are people just putting words in your mouth?

Cooper: Congressman Paul, 90 seconds.

Paul: Well, it all depends on what you mean by "all of this." the CFR exists, the Trilateral Commission exists. And it's a, quote, "conspiracy of ideas." This is an ideological battle. Some people believe in globalism. Others of us believe in national sovereignty.

And there is a move on toward a North American union, just like early on there was a move on for a European Union, and it eventually ended up.

And there is a move on toward a North American Union, just like early on there was a move on for a European Union, and eventually ended up. So we had NAFTA and moving toward a NAFTA highway. These are real things. It's not somebody made these up. It's not a conspiracy. They don't talk about it, and they might not admit about it, but there's been money spent on it. There was legislation passed in the Texas legislature unanimously to put a halt on it. They're planning on millions of acres taken by eminent domain for an international highway from Mexico to Canada, which is going to make the immigration problem that much worse.

So it's not so much a secretive conspiracy, it's a contest between ideologies, whether we believe in our institutions here, our national sovereignty, our Constitution, or are we going to further move into the direction of international government, more U.N.

You know, this country goes to war under U.N. resolutions. I don't like big government in Washington, so I don't like this trend toward international government. We have a WTO that wants to control our drug industry, our nutritional products. So, I'm against all that.

But it's not so much as a sinister conspiracy. It's just knowledge is out there. If we look for it, you'll realize that our national sovereignty is under threat.





so zappa, do you think this answer supports a view that Paul believes in a secret conspiracy for the North american union/superhighway, or is there something he said in the past that makes you think he's a conspiracy nut w/ regards to the highway?


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