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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Phred]
    #7866062 - 01/11/08 05:22 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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I like a lot of the things Paul claims to like. But a lot of the rest of the stuff he claims to like is just loony. And the man himself is a crank.

Having said that, if he were to run for president as the Libertarian Party candidate, and I were a US citizen, I would vote for him. But that's because I believe it is always better to vote Libertarian Party in presidential elections than to vote Repub or Dem -- regardless of who the actual candidates might be. It's a "message" voting strategy.




Phred




I don't know what you mean by "the man himself is a crank".

He seems like a decent guy to me, based upon the gushing bullshit shown on youtube and company. What do you mean?

He seems sincere at least.

But I agree w/ your stance on voting libertarian, which I do in presidential and gubernatorial races. This is the same view I take w/ Paul. Its another (second) chance in the same election to vote for freedom from social repression and overbearing military influence and spending.

Knowing that Paul will not suceed if anything makes it easier for me to vote for him. Everyone knows that a vote for paul is a vote to
1. decentralize government
2. stop excessive military spending and involvement
3. allow states to make their own laws without government interference
4. stop the federal drug war and interference w/ states rights in medicine and law (lesser known but just as important, if not moreso)


I'll vote for Paul in the primary and a libertarian in the general election. Generally I probably wouldn't even care so much about a primary election, as the issues I really care about (whether in the state or federal arena) are about the same level of shitiness across candidates (tough on crime bullshit which locks up nonviolent victimless criminals for dealing drugs, making drugs, and using drugs... we've got this meth hysteria here and we're locking up people for years for simply having iodine matchbooks and pseudophed boxes... crazy)

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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: johnm214]
    #7867963 - 01/12/08 02:19 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

I think this is the right approach- your vote should be a message, not a strategy. Paul won't take this one but the momentum his platform is already creating is equally important as a symbol of intent. We should have more individual accountability not more government at home and abroad.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: johnm214]
    #7869023 - 01/12/08 01:04 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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I don't know what you mean by "the man himself is a crank".




Perhaps this will clear that up a little.

http://minx.cc/?post=251564

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This is not from a newsletter, but a letter to supporters sent out under the letterhead of 'Congressman Ron Paul' and signed by hand (probably photocopied).

I have unmasked the plot for world government, world money, and world central banking. Planned exchange controls to hold you hostage…while the dollar drops down a hole…

I revealed the Red debt bomb set to explode in your bank account…The real, financial reasons Bush invaded Panama. The nightmare of a ‘cashless society’ (watch out for it, if they get away with the New Money)…

I’ve been told not to talk, but these stooges don’t scare me. Threats or not threats, I’ve laid bare the coming race war in our big cities. The federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS (my training as a physician helps me see through this one.)

The Bohemian Grove – perverted, pagan playground of the powerful Skull & Bones: the demonic fraternity that includes George Bush and leftist Senator John Kerry, Congress’s Mr New Money. The Israeli lobby, which plays Congress like a cheap harmonica. And the Soviet-style ‘smartcard’ the Justice Department has in mind for you.

There are eight pages of this stuff...





Follow the link and click the hi-lited text in the gray box. It will take you to an 8 page PDF that is ostensibly a letter on Congressional letterhead with his signature. Read it all, they didn't print nearly the half of it above.

Anybody who votes for this asshole is a useless idiot and slavish follower of fashion. He is a bigot, a homophobe, all around douche and panders to the most vulnerable members of American voters, disaffected youth.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7869033 - 01/12/08 01:07 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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Anybody who votes for this asshole is a useless idiot and slavish follower of fashion. He is a bigot, a homophobe, all around douche




He is running on the Republican ticket.

I doubt any of those character flaws will bother the common Republican voter, who is bigoted, homophobic, and usually tends towards douchery.

Douchery?

Douchiness?

Fuck it, you're literate, you know what I mean.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7869060 - 01/12/08 01:16 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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He is running on the Republican ticket.

I doubt any of those character flaws will bother the common Republican voter, who is bigoted, homophobic, and usually tends towards douchery.






Then how come most of the people who support this douche weren't even in the Party of Cracker until started this campaign?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7869099 - 01/12/08 01:31 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

That wasn't the point.

Obviously, his supporters will support him. Thats why they are his supporters.

I was just making the point that his stances on those issues probably wouldn't matter to the average Republican voter. Maybe they have someone else they support, but I can't seem them bothered by his apparent desire to deport blacks and quarantine homosexuals.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7870333 - 01/12/08 06:52 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

johnm214 said:

I don't know what you mean by "the man himself is a crank".




Perhaps this will clear that up a little.

http://minx.cc/?post=251564

Quote:

This is not from a newsletter, but a letter to supporters sent out under the letterhead of 'Congressman Ron Paul' and signed by hand (probably photocopied).

I have unmasked the plot for world government, world money, and world central banking. Planned exchange controls to hold you hostage…while the dollar drops down a hole…

I revealed the Red debt bomb set to explode in your bank account…The real, financial reasons Bush invaded Panama. The nightmare of a ‘cashless society’ (watch out for it, if they get away with the New Money)…

I’ve been told not to talk, but these stooges don’t scare me. Threats or not threats, I’ve laid bare the coming race war in our big cities. The federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS (my training as a physician helps me see through this one.)

The Bohemian Grove – perverted, pagan playground of the powerful Skull & Bones: the demonic fraternity that includes George Bush and leftist Senator John Kerry, Congress’s Mr New Money. The Israeli lobby, which plays Congress like a cheap harmonica. And the Soviet-style ‘smartcard’ the Justice Department has in mind for you.

There are eight pages of this stuff...





Follow the link and click the hi-lited text in the gray box. It will take you to an 8 page PDF that is ostensibly a letter on Congressional letterhead with his signature. Read it all, they didn't print nearly the half of it above.

Anybody who votes for this asshole is a useless idiot and slavish follower of fashion. He is a bigot, a homophobe, all around douche and panders to the most vulnerable members of American voters, disaffected youth.




I dont get why this makes him a loon?
does the bohemian grove exist or not? does it house fraternal get-togethers by people like presidents?
are we not being edged towards a cashless society?
was there not an act of atleast omission (maybe cover-up is a bit harsh) regarding the AIDs epidemic?

how is this pandering more that when Fuckabee writes "the homosexual agenda.... blah blah blah.... for the children..... god bless.... blah blah blah.... fuck pakistani's.... blah blah blah.... family values" to his constituents?

I am sure that your RP rants are primarily fueled by schadenfreude hard-ons... but you and some of the other, usually level headed people, have seriously lost sight of the shore and are lost in the ocean of hypocrisy.
Every single thing that you are faulting RP for, is EXACTLY what every single other candidate is doing, and has done for years.... the only difference between RP and everyone else, is that he isnt trying to lie or fool anyone into believing that he is someone that he isnt.
read my lips... no new taxes.... it doesnt matter what you say, because as long as you get in office, you dont have to worry about pissing the public off.... you got elected.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7870613 - 01/12/08 07:50 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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how is this pandering more that when Fuckabee writes "the homosexual agenda.... blah blah blah.... for the children..... god bless.... blah blah blah.... fuck pakistani's.... blah blah blah.... family values" to his constituents?





It's not. I hate Huckabee too. So does everybody else here, who'm I going to argue with. That is zero excuse for Paul being a racist fear monger and conspiracy theory douche. And when I said he panders to the weakest members of society I meant weak-minded. When you're as looney as he is that's all you can get.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7871026 - 01/12/08 09:24 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

so are you even going to vote?

im dying to know who you are behind.

or are you a blanket, turn your head and cough, party voter?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7871032 - 01/12/08 09:26 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

He's for Giuliani, he's said it many times.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7871048 - 01/12/08 09:30 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Ugh, I just found out the other day that the smartest person I know in the whole wide world is a Guliani voter.

I still don't know what to make of that.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7871060 - 01/12/08 09:32 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

lol... ok.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7872643 - 01/13/08 08:53 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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That is zero excuse for Paul being a racist fear monger and conspiracy theory douche.




Conspiracy theory douche?

Saying he DOESNT believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theory bullshit and asking his supporters who claim the conspiracy is true under his name to STOP DOING so makes him a conspiracy theory douche?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7872672 - 01/13/08 09:07 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

There was much more than just the Troofers. Nafta superhiway. Read the link to the actually newsletter. He goes on at length about the new bills and how they are a plot to......something nefarious. There's more. "The federal homosexual coverup on AIDS. (My training as a physician helps me see through...)"

Go to my previous post and follow the link to minx. Once there, click the link in the gray box. It will take you to a PDF of the whole newsletter. I'd love to paste it for you but I don't know how to cut and paste a PDF or even link directly to one. If you don't read it you don't care, which is fine with me. The guy isn't winning anything anyway and he may even find his seat in jeopardy due to him outing himself like this. He should have stayed under that dumb Texas rock he found for himself.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7872795 - 01/13/08 10:04 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Ugh, I just found out the other day that the smartest person I know in the whole wide world is a Guliani voter.

I still don't know what to make of that.




How did you come to know someone so brilliant? Surely those aren't the normal circles you travel in.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7872964 - 01/13/08 11:17 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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    Madtowntripper said:
   
Ugh, I just found out the other day that the smartest person I know in the whole wide world is a Guliani voter.

    I still don't know what to make of that.






How did you come to know someone so brilliant? Surely those aren't the normal circles you travel in.





The smartest person you know supports Giuliani?  I'm sorry you're also surrounded by idiots.

Reminds me of the other day while working at the gas station.  A regular came in and starting ranting about how Obama sounds like Osama and that all muslims are our sworn enemy and that Obama was a sleeper aspiring to destroy America..... :nonono:

People are fucking stupid.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: SoY]
    #7873001 - 01/13/08 11:27 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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People are fucking stupid.




No shit. I doubt we would agree much on just who the stupid ones are though.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: SoY]
    #7873173 - 01/13/08 12:20 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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    Madtowntripper said:
   
Ugh, I just found out the other day that the smartest person I know in the whole wide world is a Guliani voter.

    I still don't know what to make of that.






How did you come to know someone so brilliant? Surely those aren't the normal circles you travel in.





The smartest person you know supports Giuliani?  I'm sorry you're also surrounded by idiots.

Reminds me of the other day while working at the gas station.  A regular came in and starting ranting about how Obama sounds like Osama and that all muslims are our sworn enemy and that Obama was a sleeper aspiring to destroy America..... :nonono:

People are fucking stupid.




LOL @ you making the assumption that all Giuliani supporters are idiots while simultaneously ranting about some guy who was making assumptions about people with names that sound like Osama. Do you not see the irony?


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7873276 - 01/13/08 12:54 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Quote:

Madtowntripper said:
Ugh, I just found out the other day that the smartest person I know in the whole wide world is a Guliani voter.

I still don't know what to make of that.




How did you come to know someone so brilliant? Surely those aren't the normal circles you travel in.




No, he's a former professor at UIC. Not one of my professors, as I only attended there one semester, but w/out a doubt the smartest person I have ever met. He is I believe the Dean of the school of Psychology there, or high up in the department at any rate.

He is also Jewish, which I suspect is the reason he is for Rudy.


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Re: The New Republic on Ron Paul...ouch! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7873284 - 01/13/08 12:56 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Most Jews tend to vote Democrat and be liberals. Damned if I can figure that out even though it infests my own home.


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