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Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug
    #7847110 - 01/08/08 08:53 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.nebraska.tv/Global/story.asp?S=7590482&nav=menu605_6

It's an internet sensation. Kids are getting high on an herb that causes hallucinations. Worst of all, authorities say it's completely legal.

It's called salvia, and comes from Mexico. The attorney general compares it to LSD, only it's legal.

"Anytime anything's on YouTube it's an issue," State Senator Vickie McDonald said.

As McDonald prepares for her final year as a state senator, you wouldn't expect her to be looking at clips on YoTube. But she consults the popular video sharing site concerned kids might be tempted to try salvia, which has become something of an internet sensation.


"It's something they smoke, legal in the state of Nebraska at this point," she said.

The same videos that have been clicked on by tens of thousands have come to the attention of lawmakers across the country.

The senator from St. Paul said, "It's been banned in about nine states and if you go on YouTube which many teens watch, you will see the effects of it."

Salvia is an herb from Mexico. In a statement today, Attorney General Jon Bruning said it's on par with hallucinogenic drugs like LSD. He's asking lawmakers to ban it now, before it gets a hold on Nebraska youth.

McDonald said, "Many of these drugs we don't realize are a problem until it's put in front of us. We have to monitor them one by one."

The attorney general's proposal would put users away for up to five years, and dealers could get up to 20 years in prison for trafficking salvia. It's a drug many have never heard of. But lawmakers say it's an internet sensation. And if they don't ban it now, it could become a problem here.

"We have to make sure to protect our kids," McDonald said. "Anyone on a particular drug anything can happen."

Reporter's Notes by Steve White:
Anyone who's drunk or high would not be able to use the insanity defense, under another Bruning proposal. "Being drunk doesn't make you insane," Bruning said.

In his third major proposal of the year, Bruning wants more laws protecting consumers from new scams that have arisen in recent years.


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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7847199 - 01/08/08 09:39 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

"On par with LSD."  What exactly does that mean?

Our government should have to explicitly explain to the citizens WHAT is wrong with a substance, and WHY its users should be imprisoned.  Imprecise, ambiguous, loose language like "on par with LSD" is nothing more than propaganda.  It is not reasoning, it is not an argument, it is not evidence, it is a meaningless statement that is repeated over and over.  What's sad is the majority of people that see that phrase have been so successfully conditioned that they would likely support the scheduling of salvia.  Its just utter crap.

Before the government can take away our rights, it should have to give us sound reasoning as to why those freedoms must be denied.  It should also have to provide conclusive proof that its assertions of health risks, etc, are valid.  In a free society this should be a given--rights are sacred.

Unfortunately we have a population with enough docile, stupid people that phrases like "on par with LSD" pass for reason enough to take away a person's right to grow a plant without going to prison.  Perhaps this is because we pour all our money into the war machine rather than into education.  Perhaps this is why the USA is going down the fucking tubes.  :cussing: 


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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: Noviseer]
    #7847315 - 01/08/08 10:32 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Noviseer said:
"On par with LSD."  What exactly does that mean?

Our government should have to explicitly explain to the citizens WHAT is wrong with a substance, and WHY its users should be imprisoned.  Imprecise, ambiguous, loose language like "on par with LSD" is nothing more than propaganda.  It is not reasoning, it is not an argument, it is not evidence, it is a meaningless statement that is repeated over and over.  What's sad is the majority of people that see that phrase have been so successfully conditioned that they would likely support the scheduling of salvia.  Its just utter crap.

Before the government can take away our rights, it should have to give us sound reasoning as to why those freedoms must be denied.  It should also have to provide conclusive proof that its assertions of health risks, etc, are valid.  In a free society this should be a given--rights are sacred.

Unfortunately we have a population with enough docile, stupid people that phrases like "on par with LSD" pass for reason enough to take away a person's right to grow a plant without going to prison.  Perhaps this is because we pour all our money into the war machine rather than into education.  Perhaps this is why the USA is going down the fucking tubes.  :cussing: 




Great points couldnt have said it better myself but its the people like us that know its a bull and dont say anything....:confused:

Although the "normal" people have been overly conditioned to follow what they hear in the news.


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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: CollegeGuy]
    #7847561 - 01/08/08 11:57 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I decided to make a "Salvia Educational Video" and post it on youtube. It won't have footage, only on screen text about the plant and about the myths and ignorance that surround it, and a link to SageWisdom


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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: ROX]
    #7848145 - 01/08/08 02:08 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Yayuhh.. do it up, we should start making a bunch of them for different drugs. then we could have a new Shroomery Video section and we could all crank up the ratings of our movies and attract lots of views on education about drugs! :potleaf:


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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: jasonpwnd]
    #7848218 - 01/08/08 02:20 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I like how it's been used by the Mataztec Indians for thousands of years as a spiritual and medicinal plant but apparently it's only releveant as the "YouTube Drug"


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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #7848351 - 01/08/08 02:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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"Anytime anything's on YouTube it's an issue," State Senator Vickie McDonald said.




That's a pretty bold statement... it hardly even makes sense.

If you take away Salvia, there's just going to be a whole new drug craze... Jenkem trips on YouTube, maybe?


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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7848442 - 01/08/08 03:08 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

"We have to make sure to protect our kids,"

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indeed

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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: johnm214]
    #7848985 - 01/08/08 04:51 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Protect our kids from growing up as ignorant as this article would like us to be, i would hope


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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7849142 - 01/08/08 05:13 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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b0red5tiff said:
http://www.nebraska.tv/Global/story.asp?S=7590482&nav=menu605_6

It's an internet sensation. Kids are getting high on an herb that causes hallucinations. Worst of all, authorities say it's completely legal.

It's called salvia, and comes from Mexico. The attorney general compares it to LSD, only it's legal.

He's asking lawmakers to ban it now, before it gets a hold on Nebraska youth.

The attorney general's proposal would put users away for up to five years, and dealers could get up to 20 years in prison for trafficking salvia.

And if they don't ban it now, it could become a problem here.

"We have to make sure to protect our kids," McDonald said. "Anyone on a particular drug anything can happen."






Arg. So painful to read, so painful. It's a pitch for the bill, clearly. What a shitty ass shitty shit paper for that, starting sentences with "and". Ban it now! That's not a newspaper, its a pamphlet.

This article has everything:

Kids on the Internets!
Worst of All!
OMG Mexicans!
LSD 2.0, corrupting our youth!
Harsh Sentencing!
Act right now before its out of control aieeee!
...and best of all
Please think of the children!

Fuck you, Nebraska.tv


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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: toastandjam]
    #7849273 - 01/08/08 05:34 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

This is seriously getting out of hand. How do we stop this ignorance?


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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: SSM_Arts]
    #7849387 - 01/08/08 05:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I think our first step would be to stop actively using the substances we have all come to know and love. Only then can we actively speak out without fear of being arrested or investigated. I read this type of shit far too often. It was an epidemic in the thirties and it continues to be to this day. propaganda. think for yourself - question authority.


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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7849621 - 01/08/08 06:34 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Salvia's some pretty powerful shit... I definitely don't think it should be outlawed, though from my experience I can see how it could be dangerous without supervision. I do understand people's concern "for the kids", though I don't believe in making a plant illegal or in the gov't telling people what they can do to their own body/mind/soul.

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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7850123 - 01/08/08 08:11 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7850162 - 01/08/08 08:18 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

"The attorney general's proposal would put users away for up to five years, and dealers could get up to 20 years in prison for trafficking salvia."

so fucking ridiculous.


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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7850176 - 01/08/08 08:20 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Seriously.

Salvia can be intense and hold alot of spiritual/ informational use

YOUTUBE DRUG isnt a huge problem. All kids have to do is breakthrough on the YOUTUBE DRUG and they will never try it again


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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7850248 - 01/08/08 08:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7850910 - 01/08/08 10:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Even though I personally don't like salvia at all, this makes me want to go on a rampage and kill everyone I see for their fucking ignorance.
Seriously we need to start some kind of movement, talking about this shit while they bash our beloved entheogens with bullshit tactics will not solve anything. There have to be enough people that realize the truth about drugs, perhaps we just need better education about it to the younger generations so that they don't grow up with the "all drugs are bad" mentality.

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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7851159 - 01/08/08 11:03 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

i live in nebraska

fuckin fag lawmakers here, so conservative.

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Re: Lawmakers Want to Ban YouTube Drug [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7851882 - 01/09/08 01:15 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I've never tried saliva d. in my life, but im not gonna try it just cuz i saw it youtube. lol

this is crazy, we humans have a birth rite to experience anything the earth has to offer.

F*cking lawmakers. - land of the free?


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