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Afraid to breakthrough (Salvia or DMT) because of bad acid trip
    #7846135 - 01/07/08 10:19 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

I'ven't (I have not :tongue:) tried DMT yet, and I've tried Salvia like 4 or 5 times. All except for one time has been just a really intense body high and that's about it. One time however, like my first or second time doing it, I was sitting at my desk in my dorm, and my roommate was on my bed and a good friend was standing on the other side of me and they were talking. I can't recall what they were talking about, but I was just sitting slumped over looking down at the desk, and I felt like a little kid who was in the room with two adults, just very awkward like I was totally out of place and this was big people talk. Just weird..

But so the point of this thread is that because of a monumentally bad trip, I'm afraid to attempt to break through with either Salvia or DMT because I'm afraid I might land back where I was.

So here's my trip report. My second time doing acid, I was at my dorm. Two of my friends had driven 4 hours to come visit me for it was St. Patty's last year, and I was in Savannah :-p So they arrived earlier in the week (St.P's was on Friday). One of the night a bunch of us decided to do acid. My two friends did not, they just smoked and were the sitters. So we had probably... 12-20 people in our Dorm/apartment which was normal for us. 6 of us had taken some acid. Myself and a friend took 2 hits and decided to regroup after about an hour and a half to see if we wanted to take a 3rd hit. It was about... 9:45 pm I'd say.

We're all chilling, waiting for it to set it. We're smoking copious amounts of ganja and just having fun. For those who didn't see, this was my dorm room. Our dorm was a 4 bedroom apartment style, and 2 of the other 4 were also done similarly to mine, but with different colored blacklight things.

The acid starts to kick in and the trippers decide they want to take a walk out to this field. I decided I was going to stay around and chill and smoke some more cause more friends had just gotten there. At one point I hit a bong for 30 seconds, one toke, no joke. Then I exhaled and was like... "I hit that for a really long time" to which my friend replied "Yeah" I repacked it to be courteous and passed it on. After this, they went out to the main room, and I found a blotter on my floor. And me, enjoying the fuck out of my 2 hits already, decided that i can do this one AND the "3rd" one when my friend returns from the field, and it can only get better...

Then the other trippers return and my friend and I say hell yeah, let's take another hit. So we're all tripping hard and I'm being pulled between like 3 or 4 different people saying "Hey come hang out for a sec" and like I'd get started on that for like 4 minutes before someone or something else would pop up and I couldn't like do everything I was being asked and it was just getting really kind of hectic, but not bad. One of those things was the trippers and sitters wanted to go to the beach, a 45 minute drive Normally.

We load 8 people into my car which was a Volvo Station wagon. I was front passenger seat, and my friend who was not tripping was driving. It took forever to get everyone together to get to the car. Then I wanted to run in and get some bud. my dorm building was set up where there was a sidewalk in between the first building from the parking lot and my dorm. So I hop out of the car and am kind of jogging towards it, two campus police round the corner but luckily turn away from me. I stop in my tracks, scratch my head, and turn around and run back to the car, hop in and tell them to go. That, I think, may have triggered the bad.

We stopped to fill up with gas and at the gas station was a cop car. Now, there's nothing suspicious about filling up with gas. But, having 3 people sitting in the back of the station wagon not in seats without seat belts on is not the best thing to have. This also freaked me out a little. They left and we continued our drive to the beach. My friend who was driving had never been to Sav. so we kept getting turned around and going back and forth. Having 8 people in a very small space like that was not good for me. I asked my friend very politely if he could pull over because I was going to vomit. He said What? and I repeated myself very calmly. So he pulled over, I had my window down and just threw up. The grass looked beautiful :smirk:. I got out of the car to try to avoid throwing up on the side of the car. I remember thinking "leave my body excess chemicals"

So we went to a gas station to get me a bottle of water, but I couldn't go in because I had no shoes. Another tripper and I were standing outside the car so I could get more fresh air and just try to collect myself, when we were approached by a local black guy who could tell we were not in a sober state of mind. He made the international gesture for smoking a j to which I smiled, shook my head no, and waved him off.

Hop back in the car and now I have water as we continue on this seemingly endless drive. At this point I started to withdraw from my surroundings and just go into my mind. I started to think that everything around me did not exist, that I was already crazy and in a loony bin but was just having a crazy dream. I started to feel bad for my mom because she had raised me for the past 19 years and now in one night I had driven myself mentally insane.

We keep driving and the music is playing, and just everything seems too coincidental that it's scaring that shit out of me. I decided to put on my favorite band to put myself at ease, only the realize the coincidence of "Nirvana" being the thing to put me in nirvana. I become convinced that "The Dark Side of the Moon" and everything else I see, hear, and know is all just made up by my mind.

Some how we make it to Tybee island. And somehow the first street we turn down leads all the way down to a boardwalk and there are parking spaces. We all jump out of the car and run to the beach. It was beautiful. It was cloudy and there was a lightning storm but it hadn't started raining, so the sky would be lit up and it was trippy as shit.

I started playing my guitar (did I mention we brought my guitar? No? oh..) and to someone who was not involved, it probably sucked, but we thought it was fucking awesome. I look at my cell phone. "Fuck...... it's only 1:30am" This was going to be a long night.

These people come walking up to us and ask us what team we're with. We're all like ... uh "Team America" and i can't remember what his team was, but apparently there was some sort of Ultimate Frisbee tournament happening that week. They left us and we continued tripping. This little guy comes walking up, drunk out of his mind, and he keeps saying, "Hey come check this thing out! It's the Land Wile (wild?)" Apparently some sort of log that was hollowed out and had weird patterns because of the sand blowing against it. He kept pointing to "over there" which was beyond our line of vision because of the beach, so in my mind I was 100% sure that just over the hill of sand was a police ambush of some sort. I decided to stay as well as some others, but 3 guys went off to check it out.

I look at my friend's face and he looks like a witch, and I'm getting ridiculous "visual echoes" as I call them, because he is rocking back and forth.

At this point in my trip I am convinced that I do not exist, that I am  a thought in someone else's acid trip. But then I start to think that they don't exist either, and they're just a thought in someone else's acid trip, and they're just a thought in someone else's acid trip, and they're just a thought in someone else's acid trip, and they're just a thought in someone else's acid trip. 5 People deep. And that was scary. I had to remind myself that I ingested acid, and that in about 17 hours I was going to be back to normal but for now there was nothing I could do and to just go with the trip.

It started to rain, and I whistled loudly to try to get my friends back who were looking at the log, and surprisingly they came bounding over the hill. We went back to my dorm and continued our trip. The rest of the trip was pretty alright because I had come to my conclusion about just going with the trip.

At 6am I was laying on my floor when I pulled the drawer out of one little clothes ... piece of furniture... and I noticed the entire underside was just a blank white slate... and I had a bunch of Sharpies to change that. Eventually fell asleep. Then I woke up and still had visuals, tracers and bubbling things, and I was like shit I broke something.

Anyways, ever since that trip, I'ven't been able to fully enjoy my trips because I'm afraid of falling back in to the emptiness of insanity. And I'm afraid to attempt breaking through on Salvia, or if I can find any, DMT.


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Re: Afraid to breakthrough (Salvia or DMT) because of bad acid trip [Re: citricacidx]
    #7846400 - 01/07/08 11:17 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

I've had bad acid trips and bad mushroom trips a few times, they suck because they last for hours. DMT lasts for like 10 minutes, I don't even understand how people have bad DMT trips. I can understand smoking DMT while tripping on LSD/mushrooms could trigger a bad trip, but the trip from DMT by itself is so short, even if it did get bad the thought of it being over in a couple minutes should bring you back. DMT is the only psycedelic that has never given me a bad trip, and I've had a bad trip from MDA before.
I say just try it, even if you do have a bad trip its over in a couple of minutes. I have seen people have bad trips from DMT before, but it was over really quickly.


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Re: Afraid to breakthrough (Salvia or DMT) because of bad acid trip [Re: citricacidx]
    #7846405 - 01/07/08 11:18 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

I didn't read the whole article but i feel the same way. I had a really bad salvia trip my first time at least the parts i remember cause i blacked out for like 5 minutes. I made a whole bunch of 6x extract but every time i smoke, even a little, i get the feeling im going to drop off the radar mentally for a bit. Always stops me from going over the edge.


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Re: Afraid to breakthrough (Salvia or DMT) because of bad acid trip [Re: Overclock22]
    #7849886 - 01/08/08 07:31 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

So does anyone have any advice on how to get past the bad trip?


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Re: Afraid to breakthrough (Salvia or DMT) because of bad acid trip [Re: citricacidx]
    #7849995 - 01/08/08 07:49 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

You mentioned the cops triggered the bad trip- and you're right on there.

Avoid compromising situations in the future.

Due to the brevity of DMT and Salvia, I would say that relaxation and a few moments of meditation beforehand will serve you well. If nothing else, just relax.


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Re: Afraid to breakthrough (Salvia or DMT) because of bad acid trip [Re: Crasher]
    #7855168 - 01/09/08 06:10 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I find it's calming to know no matter what, great or terrible, it'll only be a few minutes.
Of course, time don't necessarily mean much during some salvia trips.. but go with it.


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Re: Afraid to breakthrough (Salvia or DMT) because of bad acid trip [Re: Friggin Joe]
    #7856704 - 01/09/08 10:47 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I try to level with my mind and slef by saying that the peak is over, and to chill and have fun.

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Re: Afraid to breakthrough (Salvia or DMT) because of bad acid trip [Re: radar_rider]
    #7857524 - 01/10/08 01:34 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

my advice is when you smoke DMT, just let go, when i first tried it, i had like most people read about it over and over but once the world was ripped away from me and i was catapulted out of our universe i couldnt help but be a little concerned. it felt to me sorta like that feeling of creeping anxiety, that oh shit oh shit OH SHIT feeling like your going way to fast in a car or your on a roller coaster and about to hit the first drop. but then i was just like let it be, its DMT it does this, just let go, and then i was fine. so just let go, and youll be fine. i dont think your acid trip will have any influence on it unless you dwell on that happening.
ps your dorm is sick.


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I remember being in DARE when i was much younger and some of the stories they would tell you are not only ridiculous, but completely untrue. One story was that a woman was on LSD and thought her infant was a turkey so she baked it in the oven. Now I look back and think thats hilarious, but at the time I guess it scared me.


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Re: Afraid to breakthrough (Salvia or DMT) because of bad acid trip [Re: citricacidx]
    #14007123 - 02/22/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well, it wasn't so bad of a trip... you didn't have a panic crisis or anything like it, it seems it was just the mindfuck of thinking you've lost your mind.

To me, your setting was crap... when I trip, I'd rather stay where I am. Having too much going on around me is not a good idea as it gets a bit (or very) overwhelming, but that's just me.

Just make sure you'll be comfortable, relax, meditate before the salvia or dmt trip and go with it. I don't think you'll go back to that place if you avoid being under the same circumstances that triggered it.


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Re: Afraid to breakthrough (Salvia or DMT) because of bad acid trip [Re: Loncho]
    #14007221 - 02/22/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It's as they say...

"In your final moments before death, your ego will be dismantled. The
"things" dismantling you can either appear as angels setting you free, and demons tearing away at what you have left."

it all depends if your ready and willing to let go of control.


For me, it's all about the fear of death. its nothing, and its everything. the moment you realize, "dude, i dont care", all the negativity inside you will fade away, exposing the true nature of the experience.

be open, be happy, be free of responsibility.

thinking is a gift, and a curse.

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Re: Afraid to breakthrough (Salvia or DMT) because of bad acid trip [Re: 420happyhippy]
    #14007357 - 02/22/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I had some PTSD-like problems (might have even been PTSD. never got diagnosed) for about eight months after a really nightmarish mushroom trip, and I got over it with time, but I had to abstain from drugs and alcohol for a year or I'd always feeling I was going to lose my shit. Even now I can't really smoke pot endlessly like I used to, because it's too easy to lose my grip on reality and have a bit of a bad trip just from a really intense weed high.

I still worry about this, because I desperately want to trip again, and the world of anxiety attacks is behind me, but I wouldn't want to have an experience that awful again, or go back to the places I was before. DMT is even something I've considered doing just to have a short trip instead of blasting into infinity for hours on end. I still have some left from back in the day.

Maybe when the time feels just right.


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