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OfflinePeterPiper
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Quick Info Please
    #7843955 - 01/07/08 03:01 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Theres alot of imformation going around on these forums and it seems to vary a bit from person to person. Id like to get a general idea of what everyone thinks the best numbers are for growing from cakes in a pmp type setup. Ive also included some of what I think the numbers should be based on some of my research, but please feel free to correct me.

1. Optimal temperature of room for colonization?
(80* F)
* This is temp of room itself, the temp of the actual cake will be slightly higher due to it giving off it's own heat

2. Optimal temperature of fruiting chamber for fruiting?
(75* F)

3. Optimal humidity of fruiting chamber for fruiting?
(Close to 100% as possible)

Right now Im waiting for my spores to come in and Im trying to figure out what I need to do to acheive the perfect numbers. In regards to my setup, I can change temp whenever I want because Im heating an unused room with a space heater. Right now my fc is at 80* F and the humidity is around 87%. Id like to get this humidity alittle higher but I want to see where I should set my goal first. Thanks guys.


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Re: Quick Info Please [Re: PeterPiper]
    #7843999 - 01/07/08 03:11 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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PeterPiper said:
1. Optimal temperature of room for colonization?
(80* F)
* This is temp of room itself, the temp of the actual cake will be slightly higher due to it giving off it's own heat

2. Optimal temperature of fruiting chamber for fruiting?
(75* F)

3. Optimal humidity of fruiting chamber for fruiting?
Close to 100% as possible)






In my opinion 72-75 degrees is fine for the entire cycle, no need to drop temps, or push them to 86, which is the warmest temp at which growth does not slow.

Jars are maybe 2-3 degrees warmer inside, max, nothing to worry about at typical room temps.

You need at least 92% Rh, with continuous fresh air exchange.

Shoot for 99%, but 95% will do fine for most applications, with occasional misting and fresh air exchange.

You can't learn it all here by reading, and you can't learn it all by doing it your first time. Some people fail numerous times.

Stick to tried and true methods before varying.

Inoculate rye berries and when they are 110% colonized, don't rush them, spawn them to 50/50+ coir and vermiculite (medium grade), with 10% by volume added gypsum (fine grade).

When your spawn run completes case with 50/50 peat and vermiculite, pH buffered up to 8 with oyster flour(fine grade).


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Re: Quick Info Please [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7844091 - 01/07/08 03:28 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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In my opinion 72-75 degrees is fine for the entire cycle, no need to drop temps, or push them to 86, which is the warmest temp at which growth does not slow.




What is that about, the tried and true method is incubating them around 85 degrees for faster colonization and then when you put them in the FC and decrease the temp. to 75 its part of the trigger to fruit.Plus it is the optimal range for growth.


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Re: Quick Info Please [Re: DontPlay]
    #7844127 - 01/07/08 03:35 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

And the debating begins...  :smile:


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Re: Quick Info Please [Re: PeterPiper]
    #7844169 - 01/07/08 03:43 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Higher temps colonize faster but also leads to Bactria.


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Re: Quick Info Please [Re: MYSTIQUE]
    #7844178 - 01/07/08 03:44 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

*can lead to bacterial growth if your methods weren't sterile enough. I incubate at 82 degrees.


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Re: Quick Info Please [Re: Crasher]
    #7844217 - 01/07/08 03:49 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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Crasher said:
*can lead to bacterial growth if your methods weren't sterile enough. I incubate at 82 degrees.



How did you come to the number 82? Did you ever try anything higer and have poor results?


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Re: Quick Info Please [Re: DontPlay]
    #7844498 - 01/07/08 04:52 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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In my opinion 72-75 degrees is fine for the entire cycle, no need to drop temps, or push them to 86, which is the warmest temp at which growth does not slow.




What is that about, the tried and true method is incubating them around 85 degrees for faster colonization and then when you put them in the FC and decrease the temp. to 75 its part of the trigger to fruit.Plus it is the optimal range for growth.



From the Mushroom Cultivator (page 197): substrate temp: 84-86F. Thermal death limits have been established at 106F.


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Re: Quick Info Please [Re: Nebula]
    #7844546 - 01/07/08 05:02 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

No, but I have incubated lower and after seeing the difference in colonization times, I prefer 82, as that is the stable temp of my TiT.


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Re: Quick Info Please [Re: Crasher]
    #7844705 - 01/07/08 05:34 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Well 80-85 is what i meant, but Captain and his keep it at 75 the whole time is nutz, that would add on another week waiting for it to colonize.


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Re: Quick Info Please [Re: DontPlay]
    #7846473 - 01/07/08 11:30 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

There are two schools of thought.

A) Will say, incubate during colonization at around 81-82 ºF, then fruit at 76º.

B) Says do not incubate, it increases the contamination rate. Incubate and fruit all at room temps (around 75ºF). While this will add an extra week to colonization it will give the mycelium an edge over possible contams.

They are both valid schools of thought, each with it's advantages and disadvantages.


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Re: Quick Info Please [Re: Nibin]
    #7846793 - 01/08/08 03:17 AM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Nibin is quite right, RR and experience grower has said this many times, also many grows have went wrong when incubations setups went wrong shooting temps up into the or higher.


Alot has been covered, what i will add is

Use a glovebox, simple and cheap to make, but very effective. I was frustrated at the high contamination rate that i was getting. Until i started using a glovebox, so far 100% success since.


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Re: Quick Info Please [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7846824 - 01/08/08 03:54 AM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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PeterPiper said:
Id like to get a general idea of what everyone thinks the best numbers are for growing from cakes in a pmp type setup.





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Captain Cubensis said:
You can't learn it all here by reading, and you can't learn it all by doing it your first time. Some people fail numerous times.

Stick to tried and true methods before varying.




Good advice :smile:

Quote:

Captain Cubensis said:
Inoculate rye berries and when they are 110% colonized, don't rush them, spawn them to 50/50  coir and vermiculite (medium grade), with 10% by volume added gypsum (fine grade).




Firstly, CAKES!!!
Secondly, please follow your own advice about reading!!!!
Maybe I'm missing something here but has anyone else tried and tested spawning rye to 50/50 coir verm???

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