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Ken Wilber
    #7843801 - 01/07/08 02:32 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

I picked up Ken Wilber's A Brief History of Everything the other day, and I must say that it's a very interesting read. I don't necessarily agree with Wilber on everything, yet his arguments are nevertheless compelling and quite fascinating.

Are any of your guys familiar with Wilber's work? What do you guys think about his idea of the Integral Vision?


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Re: Ken Wilber [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7845461 - 01/07/08 08:19 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

I've only read and am familiar with The Atman Project. It is a theory of spiritual development that I felt nailed my experience up to what I've experienced. Maybe I'll find the rest of it to be accurate in the future. I really enjoyed the book and look forward to reading more of his work.


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Re: Ken Wilber [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7845970 - 01/07/08 09:43 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

There was one book by Ken Wilbur, where at the end, he laid out a theory of patterns and nodes. This is, he claims, what reality is really about. That struck a major chord with me since I had drawn similar conclusions.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=11&Number=607179&fpart=&PHPSESSID=

The guy writes like a machine.

Does anyone know the title of that book?


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Re: Ken Wilber [Re: pattern]
    #7847473 - 01/08/08 11:24 AM (16 years, 24 days ago)

The guy writes like a machine.= Pundit


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Re: Ken Wilber [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7848755 - 01/08/08 04:07 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

I've read several of Wilber's books over the years. I agree with much of human developmental theories and I wish I had known about The Atman Project (1978) when I was writing my own doctoral dissertation during 1982-83.

I tend to agree with a theoretical opponent of Wilber's - Michael Washburn - who wrote The Ego and the Dynamic Ground: A Transpersonal Theory of Human Motivation and Transpersonal Psychology in Psychoanalytic Perspective, and who holds to a process called 'Regression in the Service of Transcendence.' This path does not follow the linear ladder format of Wilber's that imitates the strictly upward path of say, Kundalini Yoga but has a couple of U-turns as it were, and approximates the linear-circular flow of Tibetan Buddhist Yoga of the Inner Fire pathway as expounded by Lama Govinda. In other words, Washburn recognizes a couple of 'eddies' in an otherwise upward movement that Wilber does not recognize.

Just as in St. John of the Cross's spiritual classic The Dark Night, (which Washburn utilizes to distinquish the 'dark night of the senses' from the 'dark night of the spirit') there are certain regressive movements in the growth of higher consciousness which may become outright 'regression in the service of the ego,' returning an aspirant (if only temporarily) to a more primitive state. Sometimes mental illness results. Wilber doesn't account sufficiently for the dangers and down-sides of the spiritual life as compared to Washburn IMO.


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Re: Ken Wilber [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7849416 - 01/08/08 05:55 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

there are certain regressive movements in the growth of higher consciousness which may become outright 'regression in the service of the ego,' returning an aspirant (if only temporarily) to a more primitive state.

Finally I know whats happening to me.:monkeydance:



Wilber doesn't account sufficiently for the dangers and down-sides of the spiritual life as compared to Washburn IMO.

Like crucification and being burned at the stake.:hellfire:


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