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Imagination
    #7843724 - 01/07/08 02:09 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

How much of this information we speak about is real and how much is your imagination?

God
Reincarnation
Karma
Ying-Yang
Heaven
Hell

Etc.

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Re: Imagination [Re: Droz]
    #7843746 - 01/07/08 02:17 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Whether those concepts are real is secondary to whether they are applicable. All of the above concepts are limited tools through which we seek out new experiences, or seek to transmit our experiences to others. If any of these phenomena is "real", that reality is not contained in our concepts about them.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Imagination [Re: Lion]
    #7843758 - 01/07/08 02:21 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

What do you mean by applied? As you would accept these thoughts are real or false, is all in your imagination.. nothing more nothing less...


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Re: Imagination [Re: Droz]
    #7843778 - 01/07/08 02:27 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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Droz said:
What do you mean by applied? As you would accept these thoughts are real or false, is all in your imagination.. nothing more nothing less...


I changed my post to use the word I meant to write: "applicable".  I mean that no concept in and of itself is "real" or "unreal", but if one can apply the concept of "karma", for example, to one's experience, it has some limited validity in conveying insight.  If that makes any sense. :shrug:

Nice post count. :hehehe:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Imagination [Re: Lion]
    #7843834 - 01/07/08 02:39 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Well these are all weak concepts, i bet in the future we will learn to use our language better.

Or even invent more words and terminology to suit our needs.

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Re: Imagination [Re: Droz]
    #7843892 - 01/07/08 02:51 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

Droz said:
How much of this information we speak about is real and how much is your imagination?

God
Reincarnation
Karma
Ying-Yang
Heaven
Hell

Etc.

Peace,
Droz




Come on  dude. How are you supposed to answer a question like this?:crazy2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Imagination [Re: Icelander]
    #7844131 - 01/07/08 03:36 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

So what exactly do we do? We make up stories and then talk about it as if it were something special.

Words are weak. Actions hold strong. Actions from beliefs, saying God is in control is like making up stuff, using ur imagination to hold onto.

It's all crap.

Concept after concept, it changes our minds and our actions.

So on another note, are we more vocul about our imagination as if it were real? Does it change anything?

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Could you repeat the question? [Re: Icelander]
    #7844367 - 01/07/08 04:20 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

Droz said:
How much of this information we speak about is real and how much is your imagination?





Come on  dude. How are you supposed to answer a question like this?:crazy2:




I agree Ice... I have no idea what Droz is asking.

I IMAGINE Droz could've phrased his question better.

I don't know, "How much of this information we speak about is real" I didn't even know WE were speaking about information.

And I can honestly say I don't know what Droz meant when he said, "How much is your imagination?"

Is Droz asking, "How much is MY imagination"?

If he is, I would have to say my imagination is THIS MUCH: :doublefu:


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Re: Imagination [Re: Droz]
    #7844387 - 01/07/08 04:26 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

"Anything real, has been realized, anything imagined, can be!"


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Re: Imagination [Re: Gomp]
    #7844399 - 01/07/08 04:29 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

That is a nice statement... but it is not true.

Many imaginary things have been realized (like flying to the moon)... but many imaginary things will never become real (like Nessie).


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Re: Imagination [Re: Rose]
    #7844455 - 01/07/08 04:41 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

That's because I imagined then NOT to become real  :voila:


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And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
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Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

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Re: Imagination [Re: Rose]
    #7844473 - 01/07/08 04:47 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

"can be" ...


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Re: Imagination [Re: Gomp]
    #7844790 - 01/07/08 05:51 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

*could


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All this time I've missed you
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Re: Imagination [Re: Gomp]
    #7844795 - 01/07/08 05:52 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Look, your statement was a nice one... but you are using it out of context.

This is what you said: "Anything real, has been realized, anything imagined, can be!"

No, it CAN'T.

Your statement is not a universal truth. It is an ARTISTIC truth.

Anything imagined CAN be created... ARTISTICALLY. But you can't just imagine ANYTHING into existence.

If you imagine Nessie, you can write about Nessie, or draw a picture of what you IMAGINE Nessie looks like... Hell, you can even make a movie about Nessie... but you CAN'T imagine Nessie into ACTUAL existence. It doesn't work that way.

Sorry.


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Re: Imagination [Re: Rose]
    #7844841 - 01/07/08 06:06 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

i'm here to report to you that most of all those things are all too real with imagination thrown in to boot.


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Re: Imagination [Re: trent]
    #7844913 - 01/07/08 06:20 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Thanks for the update.  :goodmorning:


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Re: Imagination [Re: trent]
    #7845451 - 01/07/08 08:17 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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trent said:
i'm here to report to you that most of all those things are all too real with imagination thrown in to boot.




Wow... I am not sure what you are talking about... not at all.

This IS the thread for confusing posts... I guess.

Here, let me say something confusing too:

Imaginary images are found in all over the world and not forever.

:smile:


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Re: Imagination [Re: Rose]
    #7845734 - 01/07/08 09:07 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

Cervantes said:
Look, your statement was a nice one... but you are using it out of context.

This is what you said: "Anything real, has been realized, anything imagined, can be!"

No, it CAN'T.

Your statement is not a universal truth. It is an ARTISTIC truth.

Anything imagined CAN be created... ARTISTICALLY. But you can't just imagine ANYTHING into existence.

If you imagine Nessie, you can write about Nessie, or draw a picture of what you IMAGINE Nessie looks like... Hell, you can even make a movie about Nessie... but you CAN'T imagine Nessie into ACTUAL existence. It doesn't work that way.

Sorry.




See? You try to blame me for your interpretation...

As you say, I said: "Anything real, has been realized, anything imagined, can be!"
... you can read this as you like, but there is no reason you should leave out the fact that what I am saying, also could be interpreted as; Anything that is imagined can be realized, even if only as pure imagination! ...

However, I usually do not explain like this, cause it might limit what I said, as other find other interpretations.. But, it is almost sad to see you be hung up in only one as if that is what I intended to say..

Reason I use one-liners like that, is cause it would take a small book to explain every aspect of it..

:monkeydance:

(Edit: spelling.)


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Re: Imagination [Re: Gomp]
    #7845971 - 01/07/08 09:43 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

Gomp said:
See? You try to blame me for you interpretation...





"For YOU interpretation"?!?

For the love of God, can we get some grammar police in here?!? STAT!

Gomp, if you don't want me to interpret, "YOU" posts, represent, "YOUself" more clearly next time.


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Re: Imagination [Re: Rose]
    #7846683 - 01/08/08 01:29 AM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Read or see A Midsummer Night's Dream, and then try to sell yourself on the notion that it is "just" art.


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