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Re: dissociation, sanity, society [Re: Icelander]
#7847500 - 01/08/08 11:34 AM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Every time you use the word 'conclusion(s)' in a post, I get $0.25 in royalties.
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EternalCowabunga said: Yes, that makes a lot of sense MushroomTrip. You are pretty much dead on with your assessment Especially about not feeling safe and dreaming alot.
I've started going to a psychiatrist for the first time in my life and hopefully I will gain a lot of insight into my childhood. Fear and confusion is still a large part of my life, as much as I have tried to convince myself and others that I've figured everything out
I would steer clear of psychiatrists myself and stick with therapists. I have a clear bias here. I think psychiatrists are nuts.
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Re: dissociation, sanity, society [Re: Icelander]
#7847511 - 01/08/08 11:38 AM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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I think she's a therapist actually.. I dunno, we just talk..wow I feel fucking terrible right now. Fuck DXM up it's stupid ass, what a stupid drug. Please anyone reading this, never do DXM. It's not worth it.
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It's not worth it for you. It's difficult to decide worth for others and advice like this isn't always worth much.
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Re: dissociation, sanity, society [Re: Icelander]
#7847520 - 01/08/08 11:41 AM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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No, it really isn't worth it... really. Dissociative are nothing but bad news. For the last two days I've felt worse than any E crash or come down from any other drugs. What about huffing gas, could that be of any worth to someone?
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Please anyone reading this,
What message do you have for those not reading this?
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never do DXM.
What if I ACTUALLY have a cough?
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Tell it to Lilly, author of the book on Metaprogramming.
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If you have a cough that's alright..
I read Lily and I do think that DXM gives some insight into programming and reality tunnels.. that was the basis of this thread, but I didn't really take anything valuable back with me except feeling like my soul has been sucked away
Have you tried DXM or Ketamine Icelander? Just curious
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Alright, I was a little hasty. I've had some good times and interesting revelations on DXM. Just know what you're getting into, and realize that this isn't something that is natural to your body in any way .
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Re: dissociation, sanity, society [Re: Icelander]
#7847608 - 01/08/08 12:09 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Most people are crazy most of the time, but nobody is crazy all of the time, if you take the definition of insane to mean attempting to get different results from the same methods.
Look at all the weight loss products, get-rich quick schemes, and other cheesy crap out there. And that's just the obvious stuff. You want real lunatics? Look around, the whole planet's full of them, we're practically one gigantic Bell View. I mean, you would have to totally expunge the human mind (all of them) of social function and rewire them from the ground up to completely undermine the way the system works.
Society has been evolving for a long time, its not only as good as a living, breathing entity, its better. It will live as long as we do (collectively) and evolve to absorb and conform us.
Look at this forum, how many of you have changed your ideas and opinions based on what you've read here? Of coarse we are subject to the influences of our environment! What's necessary is to maintain that none of those ideas are any more relevant than the next, and to maintain, at all possible moments, the sort of awareness necessary to not only adapt to new ideas and thoughts, but to release those that become invalid to your current situation, immediately.
Children know about imitation and fear of rejection through us teaching it to them for scolding them for things that are 'socially' unacceptable because we are 'supposed' to.
Unless you are aware, you are just another cog in the machine. You aren't in control at all, you only think you are. Ultimately, if you fulfill all of your life's goals, what will it mean to you? This is hard to communicate because the social system makes the term happy so misconstrued. I'm trying to ask, are your goals, your goals? What have you chosen, and are you aware of why you chose it?
It is a closed system, it begins at birth and ends at death, each individual goes through it, and all maintain a varying degree of awareness of it as it happens. Ultimately the system finishes and the body dies, afterward we have no reference, but assuming that our ability to perceive is lost and our consciousness fades, what will we have left? Nothing.
This means, ultimately that we will remember nothing. Our actions will not matter to us because they will no longer be objectified to us, since we will no longer exist. The system has ended. We have ended with it. So then, what is important? Being rich? Married? Owning that nice house? Maybe.
To me, its kind of like this: Its not whether you win or lose, because you're dead, you know you will die. Its not even how you play the game, because you won't remember that either.
Society does a nifty job of escorting you from the beginning to the end without much fuss. My goal is to subvert societies limitations in every manner possible so I can grasp the whole of the experience, and live in the now as much as possible. Direct opposition is hard wired in to children, what I'm talking about is awareness. Perceiving as much of what is cause and effect as possible and adjusting accordingly. The elimination of pattern in such a way that will appear to be pattern, but in effect be whatever I choose. Disappearing into the clockwork gears around me, just another guy out there. Ever increasing the size of my comfort zone, flexing it like a muscle, stronger and more flexible, and able to take whatever I can throw at it, until the day I die, all while evaluating society and accepting the parts I like, and finding ways around the parts I don't.
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Re: dissociation, sanity, society [Re: justamonkey]
#7847626 - 01/08/08 12:13 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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DXM is interesting. I say give it a whirl, hell, if nothing else, you'll know what all the fuss is about. Besides, if it was that bad, it would be illegal...err...totally, not just against the directions of the label.
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Re: dissociation, sanity, society [Re: justamonkey]
#7847709 - 01/08/08 12:36 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Right O Neo!
To me, its kind of like this: Its not whether you win or lose, because you're dead, you know you will die. Its not even how you play the game, because you won't remember that either.
Then what is it? It sounds to me from the rest of your post it is (for you) how you play the game. Really, what else is there?
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Re: dissociation, sanity, society [Re: Icelander]
#7847738 - 01/08/08 12:43 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Oh hell, I dunno. Really there's only playing I guess. Just goes to show, sometimes trying to use lots of fancy stuff doesn't get us very far.
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Re: dissociation, sanity, society [Re: justamonkey]
#7847790 - 01/08/08 12:54 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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If death ends it then all there is only the experience. Most would like it to be enjoyable but it doesn't really matter at games end.
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We don't know that death is the end and you have to take that into account as a warrior.
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Re: dissociation, sanity, society [Re: Icelander]
#7847833 - 01/08/08 01:03 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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At least your death as a cease of existence for yourself is not the same thing for others. They will remember, and that's quite near as alive, as they do it in their living situations and expect you to give an outlook for them in their now (in their living imagination, at least ). In variant degrees, they will take a dead person (almost) as much valuable in their considerations as a living one.
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Re: dissociation, sanity, society [Re: BlueCoyote]
#7847844 - 01/08/08 01:05 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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What does that have to do with anything?
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Re: dissociation, sanity, society [Re: Icelander]
#7848108 - 01/08/08 02:01 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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I only consider others if it means an impact on me. I'm just selfish like that I guess...
I agree, Icelander. We don't know about death. All we know is that it is inevitable, and so is best put off until we are ready to embrace it, at least, for as long as possible (or desirable).
Just another challenge really, neither good nor bad, neither blessing nor curse.
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Re: dissociation, sanity, society [Re: Icelander]
#7848287 - 01/08/08 02:34 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Just that our life will pass over our own experience. In other's remembrance. We may be dissociated to us, but not to society and vice versa. There inbetween lies sanity.
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when you grow up, you're only allowed low doses of speed, opiates, and high high doses of dextromethorphan and a beer with supper
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Re: dissociation, sanity, society [Re: BlueCoyote]
#7848590 - 01/08/08 03:38 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: Just that our life will pass over our own experience. In other's remembrance. We may be dissociated to us, but not to society and vice versa. There inbetween lies sanity.
What? There in between lies sanity? Are you fucking insane?
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