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Serious Sleep meds.
#7842292 - 01/07/08 04:45 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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My entire life I've been plagued with mindbendingly terrible insomnia. I can't even really call it insomnia,more crippling sleep dep. I used to deal with it well,but the more i age the less i can deal with it,and it's ruining my life more than ever. The only things i've ever seen to work are stuipid high doses of Ambien,and stuipid-er high Doses of Seroquel ( basically an anti-psychotic tranquilizer),and a few other random Heavy tranqs. Over the years I've tried everything,even days where i'll work all day,skate all night,have sex,run all around town,etc,all with no sleep the previous night,and still not get to sleep until at least 7-8am. nowadays even a day or so without any sleep and I'm basically dangerous, I'm so impaired,but it still wont give in.
Does any one here take real 'hardcore' sleep meds? What are they and how are they working for you? I'm not talking about melatonin,valarian root or any of that pansy shit.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: CaptainH13]
#7842321 - 01/07/08 05:14 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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I just use booze.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: CaptainH13]
#7842324 - 01/07/08 05:16 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: CaptainH13]
#7842356 - 01/07/08 05:39 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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meth>?
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: Merkin]
#7842391 - 01/07/08 05:55 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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I'm just about in the same boat as you op and the only thing I have found to work for me is about 2mg of xanax. All those prescription "sleep-aids" like ambien and whatnot, they just make me feel strange and out of it, I wouldn't say they make me sleepy.
You should give xanax a shot, if you haven't already.
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Xanax really isn't much of a hypnotic and often has a paradoxical effect in that regard.
Midazolam kicks ass, rohypnol and halcion are both amazing as well.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: Merkin]
#7842409 - 01/07/08 06:05 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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Merkin said: meth>?
Yeah... when you're planning on sleeping real well, a few days from now.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: MrKite1]
#7842412 - 01/07/08 06:09 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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MrKite1 said: Xanax really isn't much of a hypnotic and often has a paradoxical effect in that regard.
Midazolam kicks ass, rohypnol and halcion are both amazing as well.
Thats what i'm looking for. What kind of experinces have you had with them?
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: CaptainH13]
#7842428 - 01/07/08 06:16 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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Take up relaxation meditation. It probably is your mind that keeps you awake. You'll have to learn progressive relaxation, because your insomnia over all those years probably made you unlearn it.
Particularly heavy sleep medications given only in exceptional cases are Chloral hydrate and Sodium oxybate (GHB). More standard but still quite heavy would be potent short-acting barbiturates, such as Amobarbital (Amytal) and Secobarbital (Seconal). These end-of-the-line drugs completely blow Midazolam and the like out of the water, but try those first.
All the above drugs are VERY unforgiving in overdose and in combination with other drugs, even pot.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: Asante]
#7842475 - 01/07/08 06:52 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Take up relaxation meditation. It probably is your mind that keeps you awake. You'll have to learn progressive relaxation, because your insomnia over all those years probably made you unlearn it.
i concur. when i was younger i had a horrible time getting to sleep, not quite what you describe but still bad. once i took up meditation and learned to quiet my mind it got A LOT easier.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: mycopsycho]
#7842494 - 01/07/08 07:07 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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Weed =]
I remember one of the first times I smoked pot, I experienced this amazingly blissful feeling whilst lying on my bed. It was the ultimate feeling of sleepiness. I passed out on my bed moments later, waking up the next morning feeling great. If you can't get to sleep after smoking weed, then....well....I dunno dude. 
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: psychejam]
#7842589 - 01/07/08 08:06 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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mirtazapine's pretty good for getting to sleep.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: JT]
#7842618 - 01/07/08 08:20 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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yeah, it worked for me, put me out cold.
i might go back on it gain because i feel fucked up from not being able to sleep.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: beneath]
#7842634 - 01/07/08 08:30 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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is there a way for him to sleep without taking drugs?
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: CaptainH13]
#7842667 - 01/07/08 08:49 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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it seems like its not a chemical thing
id say go for some hypnotherapy and see if they can uncover whatever is keeping you awake
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: CandyFlip]
#7843018 - 01/07/08 10:45 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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CandyFlip said: is there a way for him to sleep without taking drugs?
no!
that being said - risperdal is what you're looking for
2-3mg a night and you'll be sleeping like a baby
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: Muppet]
#7843019 - 01/07/08 10:46 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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P.S.
send me the Seroquel, and I'll get you all the Risperdal you'll ever need
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: Muppet]
#7843788 - 01/07/08 02:29 PM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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seroquel is bad shit ,i was on it for years and it made me very sick.i used to take lunesta but that no good for ya ,do you have racing thoughts that keep you up at night.i suffer from that i cant fall a sleep till like 5 am even if i try to go to bed at like 11 the night before.i tried drinking,smoking weed ,nothing works for me.im gonna look into the relaxation stuff
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I dunno guy...seroquel works with my body chemestry perfectly
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: Muppet]
#7843996 - 01/07/08 03:10 PM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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it just costs, like, $200 for a month's supply
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: Muppet]
#7844141 - 01/07/08 03:38 PM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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does seroquel leave you feeling really drowsy/dead? (zyprexa did for me). Does it help with depression at all?
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: beneath]
#7844340 - 01/07/08 04:15 PM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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it left me feeling empty an dead actually
no brain activity / no emotional bullshit / no signs of life period = MY fucken 'heaven'
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: Muppet]
#7844366 - 01/07/08 04:20 PM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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Muppet said: it left me feeling empty an dead actually
no brain activity / no emotional bullshit / no signs of life period = MY fucken 'heaven'
seems like you love to be a zombie like myself
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hmmmm, you've gave me a new outlook on meds now
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: Muppet]
#7844397 - 01/07/08 04:29 PM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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Muppet said: it left me feeling empty an dead actually
no brain activity / no emotional bullshit / no signs of life period = MY fucken 'heaven'
I totally agree. In those doses your basically an institutional zombie,but in the comfort of your own home,hah.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: CaptainH13]
#7844459 - 01/07/08 04:42 PM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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'zombie' = fucken k3y
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: Muppet]
#7844462 - 01/07/08 04:42 PM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: Muppet]
#7844507 - 01/07/08 04:53 PM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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You should practice to get the zombie howl down 
What kind of doses of Seroquel are you talking about?
Can you describe the zombified state? Are there bad side effects aside from the psychotropic effect?
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: CaptainH13]
#7844547 - 01/07/08 05:02 PM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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Diphenhydramine works well for me.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: Muppet]
#7844888 - 01/07/08 06:16 PM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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Muppet said: I dunno guy...seroquel works with my body chemestry perfectly
no it works it just leaves you feeling nothing,an the withdrawal is really bad .i was sick to my stomach weeks after i stopped taking it ,it fucked up my vision when i was taking it i couldn't read or see strait.there given that shit to everybody now a days,oh your sad eat this,oh you cant sleep eat this,you hear voices telling you to kill eat this.worst psy med ever,pm me if you want i got like 30 400 mg pills of it left. i was just gonna flush down the toilet
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said: You should practice to get the zombie howl down 
What kind of doses of Seroquel are you talking about?
Can you describe the zombified state? Are there bad side effects aside from the psychotropic effect?
i once took my recommend dose of 800 mg one day an my legs just went out from under,i was parlysed from the waist down for like 3 hours stuck on the floor ,i was scared shit that i would die,so yes there are very serious side effects with it
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: Muppet]
#7845374 - 01/07/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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fuck all that .. xanax to go to sleep, trazadone to stay asleep and not keep waking up. Taking me years of trying every combo to find that.. Xanax or any strong benzo first then the traz. good luck
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: ushroom2]
#7845504 - 01/07/08 08:28 PM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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I still vote for the xanax. maybe there are some dinosaur tranqs out there that will knock your ass out, but I know for a fact that xanax will put any insomniac gently to sleep.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: CaptainH13]
#7846590 - 01/08/08 12:24 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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2 tylonol pm's and a joint
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I wish I knew an answer to this question a drug that didn't develop tolerance or have toxic side affects.
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The sleep dep. get so bad it fucks up my immune system,and i end up getting really...really sick.
and I am.
I want to die.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: CaptainH13]
#7846937 - 01/08/08 06:15 AM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Really the best thing to do would to try more non-pharmaceutical therapy first. Perhaps consult a physician in regards to this.
As for the meds it would probably best to try something mild like eszopiclone or ramelton.
Ambien seems to only be good for short term and acute therapy.
Midazolam is awesome but it has abuse potential. It is nice as a sleep medicine though, at a sufficient dosage it induces sleep rapidly, within half of an hour. Its short action assures that you don't awake groggy or intoxicated which is also a good thing. Halcion and rohypnol share a similar profile with midazolam. I would take Rohypnol over midazolam for recreation though.
Now from my own experiences with hypnotics it is worth noting that the quality of sleep may be lacking when you knock yourself out every evening. But I suppose poor sleep is better than no sleep. Good luck with the insomnia.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: MrKite1]
#7853217 - 01/09/08 11:38 AM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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fuck! my insomnia is so bad now that i can't even get to sleep at all, i just fucking lie there, this sucks.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: beneath]
#21047367 - 12/31/14 03:27 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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i take olanzapine/zyprexa but in the past the best combo i have been prescribed was quetiapine and zopiclone, 30 mins and lights out!
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Try suvorexant (Belsomra). It's the first ever dual-orexin receptor antagonist and has a mechanism of action unique from any other sleep aid.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: badchad]
#21047427 - 12/31/14 04:41 AM (9 years, 30 days ago) |
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badchad said: Try suvorexant (Belsomra). It's the first ever dual-orexin receptor antagonist and has a mechanism of action unique from any other sleep aid.
and a dubious medical history (read: consecutive studies hidden from the public). Suvorexant - ODD
GHB(sodium oxybate) and sleep.
GHB induces a sleep that is entirely natural. The duration and organization of the sleep stages is preserved, and growth hormone release is actually increased[20]. In fact, abnormal sleep patterns like those of narcoleptics* and insomniacs* become more typical[77]. While users of other tranquilizers may be difficult to awaken, GHB users (at low doses) remain completely responsive to ordinary stimulus, from pain to bladder pressure.
The benzodiazepenes might be of use but are in some sense more insidious than alcohol; while moderate drinkers can avoid hangover, benzos can create a similar syndrome even when used as directed. Some of these substances have a half-life of many hours. Subjects may still have active quantities in their blood the next morning, and thus remain groggy and "drugged. Hence I dont suggest benzodiazepenes, and don't use them either (as much as i'd want to...)
GHB, in comparison, has a very short half-life and no active metabolites (c2o and h2o, breath properly :smile). After about 4 hours it is entirely consumed, changed into simple carbohydrates and thence expelled as carbon dioxide and water. In fact, its effects are so short-lived that it has been judged inappropriate for subjects who awaken easily and need something that will keep them sedated throughout the night.
Now I highlighted the last sentence because that doesn't apply to me, I have a lot of difficulties falling asleep but when i'm asleep I won't wake back up again untill rested (or the fucking clock).
I took one dose per night, slept like a baby, woke up refreshed and even energized (dopamine rebound, I love it). I've heard of more experiences where people have to take a second dose which is entirely possible if you go to sleep at 10pm and 4 hours later the GHB is expelled that leaves you at 2am. Now the dosing gets even trickier if you get to this point, wake up at 6am but if it isn't metabolized properly you will still be intoxicated slightly (or heavy depending on how properly you dose)
it's really, really dose-dependent, very addictive if you go above the two doses and the withdrawals are unbearable. It's a miraclecure, how could it not be being a hormone native to our brain.
I've ceased most drugs, i've tried it all but mistress sleep doesn't succumb... Concoctions of antipsychotics and neuroleptics. For a long time it were dissociatives and my bladder tells it + you'll get strung out unless you know you have the sedative kind and even that wears you out.
Cannabis is... okay..-ish. I like it but I dislike how I will eat too much which is bad for sleep anyhow, that i'll have cottonmouth which is bad for your teeth and breath whilst sleeping. Could be better.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: ushroom2]
#21049697 - 12/31/14 06:01 PM (9 years, 30 days ago) |
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ushroom2 said: fuck all that .. xanax to go to sleep, trazadone to stay asleep and not keep waking up. Taking me years of trying every combo to find that.. Xanax or any strong benzo first then the traz. good luck
Trazadone works pretty well, it can give some people horrible nightmares though. Other than that, it's pretty safe and not habit forming.
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Re: Serious Sleep meds. [Re: setb]
#21050204 - 12/31/14 08:37 PM (9 years, 30 days ago) |
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I've taken trazodone for 3 years. It works but you don't drift off to sleep. It's like walking the plank to sleep, and if you don't take enough to knock you out for a full nights sleep, you wake up seeing lsd like trails(not fun though). Anyone who takes it knows first hand it has negative recreational value which makes this tazodone erowid experience vault hilarious. http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Pharms_Trazodone.shtml
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my favorite sleep med is hands down Clonidine.
Its so clean, effective, doesn't have a hangover effect, and non-habit forming.
everything you want in a sleep med, clonidine has.
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SHort acting benzos such as Etizolam or Xanax WILL put you too sleep and will have you awake feeling rested because of there short duration of action
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