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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: iamconfused]
    #7843305 - 01/07/08 12:02 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

I think your lazy unmotivated friends just seem like pot is doing it to them because they happen to also smoke pot. if they didnt, they would still be lazy assholes who sit around with potato chips on their chest peeing into jars so they don't have to get up and go to the bathroom. I for one think pot takes away social anxiety i have, and its very social to smoke with other people, especially if they don't seem like the smoking type.

kick your friends in the ass and tell them to fucking do something. I smoke weed and go to the store, go to the movies, go out to the bar, and the fact that I do sometimes sit around the house, well, we all gotta do that sometime, and the weed doesn't really change anything.



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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #7843349 - 01/07/08 12:19 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

sometimes i smoke and go on adventures. sometimes i smoke and watch a movie. sometimes i smoke and just chill the fuck out because i get stressed. sometimes i smoke and listen to music and go on a walk. sometimes i smoke and play music. sometimes i smoke too much and start talkin about weird shit so i just start to write stories or poems or songs. i notice myself if i start to feel lazy or something and i dont smoke for a couple days. but for the most part i did/do all the same shit when im not high.


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: Zoo]
    #7843371 - 01/07/08 12:30 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

In my experience, marijuana has an immediate motivating influence, during the first hour of the high. Upon taking a hit or two, as soon as I get high, I want to be playing guitar, surfing, snowboarding, or even just walking around out in the open air.

BUT...

as soon as I come down from that initial burst of dopamine (yes, cannabis releases dopamine, as does coke and meth), I go from being 'high' to 'stoned.' This is the lazy period. Walking around seems less interesting, I am tired, I have no interest in doing anything, talking to people is a chore, and I feel that whatever I have to say will come out wrong. This stage tends to last the remainder of the day. If I smoke at 11AM, then, I'll feel motivated and high until shortly after noon, and then stoned, lazy, tired, and blah for the entire rest of the day, and I likely won't feel like going out that night (unless I smoke more. Redosing on cannabis, like coke, will bring me back up, but then I crash harder than before).

Marijuana is a drug--like any other drug, it is not a free ride. As a long time pot smoker, I can say with absolute certainty that it did give me chronic amotivational syndrome. After a life changing LSD trip I stopped buying my own weed, and now I am excelling in law school, keeping my bills paid on time and my dishes washed, making friends, recording music... esentially doing all the stuff I neglected to do during my 4-6 years of weekly pot smoking.

I know talking bad about marijuana offends people. I used to feel the same way. But I wish someone would have knocked some sense into my stubborn ass when I was in college, I would have had a MUCH better time, and I would have DONE a lot more with all that free time.


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: Zoo]
    #7843398 - 01/07/08 12:42 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

i think pot is grrrrrrreaaat. it can definatley replace a beer or alchol. is there any over the counter relaxation meds in america other than sleeping pills. basicly you have to see a doctor to get any good meds for stress. and if you see a doctor he may or may not give you something but he would definatley chrge you atleast 100 a visit and then theres no tellin what he will give you. anti depressants, zanex, valium or prozac.... i don't think any of these drugs have been used as long as marijuana(like 2000yrs or more). and pot is the one thats illegal!!! ofcourse people will abuse it and become lazy but thats better than getting drunk and taking zanex and getting out on the road. if you read this far im sorry for babling.


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: iamconfused]
    #7843418 - 01/07/08 12:50 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Two of my close friends form a good example. One of them has been a day-to-day stoner for years, and then quit doing that in favor of smoking pot occasionally. This friend of mine has moved lightyears ahead of himself by breaking the daily pot cycle. He has more lust for life, more energy, more positive attitudes towards life and all sorts of things. In conversations he is brighter and full of spirit.

The other friend has quit smoking pot for many years previous, but a few years ago relapsed into daily pot almost overnight and stayed at it. This friend took a giant leap backwards in his development. He has become mentally slower and more repetitive, with low moods and low energy levels, tiredness and the amotivational lethargy the threadstarter speaks of. His mental brightness has dimmed, and he knows it's the weed. He's trying to quit for more than a year now but all in vain. After a few hours to a few days he just relapses and makes up for the weed he missed out on.

The first friend got ahead of himself in a good way, the second is in a selfdestructive cycle of quitting attempts where he sets goal after goal and misses it, weakening his willpower which he "solves" by denial and self-delusion.

Friend 1 comes by and we have a lively talk and whatnot. When I visit Friend 2 I see him rolling big joint after big joint of strong weed until he is fully withdrawn from the social situation. Then he smokes more and more until he is all-out retarded, hanging in his couch and making retard noises to alleviate his stoned-out-of-his-skull boredom. Whenever he comes to a little he rolls himself another one.
And I'm just sitting there, babysitting a vegetable, watching him slowly selfdestruct :nonono:

I did the daily pot thing too in the 90s and got passivity and anxiety issues that took me many many months after quitting to outgrow.
But everything's OK when you're stoned right? Doesn't matter that it's THIS "ok" ---> :shrug:

Occasional use of pot can give a good positive impulse to one's life. But daily pot is the road to ruin for many people. It's expensive, unhealthy, you alienate sober friends and tend to cultivate a :shrug: attitude to almost anything.


Here's an experiment for the stoners: Wait until something awful happens in your life. Then smoke a big spliff. 20 minutes down the road you won't care a quarter of what you cared before. Now try it with something that makes you very happy. Twenty minutes later the bright sparkle of joy is long gone for the most part.

Strong doses of pot will distract you from whatever you're into. Thoughts race and your shortterm memory is shot. If you smoke daily pot, you might end up distracted from life itself.

Some don't have it, but amotivational syndrome from pot is a reality in many people.


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: Noviseer]
    #7843440 - 01/07/08 12:58 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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If I smoke at 11AM, then, I'll feel motivated and high until shortly after noon, and then stoned, lazy, tired, and blah for the entire rest of the day, and I likely won't feel like going out that night (unless I smoke more. Redosing on cannabis, like coke, will bring me back up, but then I crash harder than before).




Your post describes my experience almost exactly. I find it difficult to focus on anything that isn't incredibly simple, so I end up doing simple, easy things. For example, I can wash my dishes and listen to music, or go grocery shopping, but I can't return phone calls or organize my finances. I'm finding way more negative than positive these days in my cannabis experiences.


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7843448 - 01/07/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

i usually smoke in the mornin and at night. but im finding it harder to smoke in the mornin..... cause i get real anxious:runaway:


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7843483 - 01/07/08 01:10 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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I'm finding way more negative than positive these days in my cannabis experiences.





If it goes south, quit. Can you elaborate on the downsides you discover?

I also agree with Noviseer. Once you had the first joint, the day just ain't the same anymore. It's like you wake up to a brand new day, you light up, and it's a second hand day from then on.


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: Asante]
    #7843709 - 01/07/08 02:04 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Well I have quit the daily smoking. I had a bit of a spree over christmas break though, but now I'm back to normal. I usually only partake when offered.

The downsides for me are:

-tiredness: I just don't have much energy to spare after I get stoned earlier.

-shyness: I refrain from calling people up when I'm stoned, I avoid interaction because I become tongue-tied.

-distraction: I find it very difficult to remain focused on anything.

-lack of confidence: Because of the other effects, I lose my confidence in my ability to accomplish anything but the simplest, most comfortable tasks. The result is procrastination, and that hurts the self esteem.

-health concerns: Smoking is bad for you, but worse than that, I cannot exercise while stoned.

-repetition: Because I feel so limited while I'm stoned, it usually leads to getting stoned again a few hours later, which only repeats until I get to the end of my unproductive day.

Those of who who can smoke daily and still accomplish your goals without compromise, congratulations. But I don't believe there are as many of you as people claim. I lied to myself for years about how much my use bogged me down. I don't believe there is anybody who is not sacrificing *something* in order to continue to smoke weed all day.


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7843716 - 01/07/08 02:05 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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Well I have quit the daily smoking. I had a bit of a spree over christmas break though, but now I'm back to normal. I usually only partake when offered.

The downsides for me are:

-tiredness: I just don't have much energy to spare after I get stoned earlier.

-shyness: I refrain from calling people up when I'm stoned, I avoid interaction because I become tongue-tied.

-distraction: I find it very difficult to remain focused on anything.

-lack of confidence: Because of the other effects, I lose my confidence in my ability to accomplish anything but the simplest, most comfortable tasks. The result is procrastination, and that hurts the self esteem.

-health concerns: Smoking is bad for you, but worse than that, I cannot exercise while stoned.

-repetition: Because I feel so limited while I'm stoned, it usually leads to getting stoned again a few hours later, which only repeats until I get to the end of my unproductive day.

Those of who who can smoke daily and still accomplish your goals without compromise, congratulations. But I don't believe there are as many of you as people claim. I lied to myself for years about how much my use bogged me down. I don't believe there is anybody who is not sacrificing *something* in order to continue to smoke weed all day.




Same symptoms here.


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: Iron_Hymen]
    #7843733 - 01/07/08 02:13 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

well after i smoke,i get the urge to clean always been that way, once im stoned i do the dishes ,sweep,mop.take out the trash orginize dvds an cds do the laundry .i like to all so get stoned an start little carpentry projects around the house.


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: Cowgold]
    #7843736 - 01/07/08 02:14 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Cannabis is easily abused because the negative effects are often overlooked or unnoticed by the smoker. Plus there is no hangover so it's easy to just keep smoking. I'm sure if alcohol had no hangover, a lot of us would be terribly addicted.


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: Plok]
    #7843854 - 01/07/08 02:45 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

I for one think all the amotivational things you are describing being a result of "weed" makes about as much sense as blaming your problems on your morning cups of coffee.

Don't blame drugs, at least not Marijuana, have you and your friends accept responsibility. Marijuana does not turn 99% of people into amotivational slugs or make you stupid. I am much better socially when stone than not, partly because I feel more relaxed.

if all you do is get high, sit around and stare at the wall, you are an idiot. I smoke a lot, and I generally try to pick times when I am not doing much else of anything anyway, and often times I get up, go do things, with the added benefit of being high. I don't crash and neither does anyone else I know, we just stop being high at some point, and come back to "baseline".

All this bullshit being posted here sounds like its coming right out of John Walters playbook. You oughta start writing bullshit propaganda for the ONDCP.


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #7843897 - 01/07/08 02:53 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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I for one think all the amotivational things you are describing being a result of "weed" makes about as much sense as blaming your problems on your morning cups of coffee.

Don't blame drugs, at least not Marijuana, have you and your friends accept responsibility. Marijuana does not turn 99% of people into amotivational slugs or make you stupid. I am much better socially when stone than not, partly because I feel more relaxed.

if all you do is get high, sit around and stare at the wall, you are an idiot. I smoke a lot, and I generally try to pick times when I am not doing much else of anything anyway, and often times I get up, go do things, with the added benefit of being high. I don't crash and neither does anyone else I know, we just stop being high at some point, and come back to "baseline".

All this bullshit being posted here sounds like its coming right out of John Walters playbook. You oughta start writing bullshit propaganda for the ONDCP.




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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #7843899 - 01/07/08 02:53 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Pot cured my herpes.


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #7843927 - 01/07/08 02:57 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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Don't blame drugs, at least not Marijuana, have you and your friends accept responsibility.




Exactly. I am accepting responsibility for my behavior. That's why I quit the daily smoking. When I smoke weed, I often behave in ways I regret. Maybe there is some magical way around this, but quitting is the most obvious solution to me.

Like I said, congratulations to you if your drug use has never negatively impacted your life. I contend that you are in the minority. I reject the assertion that weed is benign, and that anyone who experiences negative effects from it is some kind of bumbling misfit.


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7843988 - 01/07/08 03:08 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

like i said, you can have negative effects from your morning coffee.

I never said weed was for everyone.

I would like to say that I feel like my life has improved to a degree because I smoke pot. I feel that at least for me it relieves anxiety, and allows me to sleep better when I need to. I also don't feel depressed nearly as much.

the only thing I really dont like is the cost, but then again I don't like paying for the other medications I have to take to lead a productive life.


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7844033 - 01/07/08 03:17 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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I had a bit of a spree over christmas break though, but now I'm back to normal.




As long as it's the exception and not the norm that's perfectly fine. It's not like alcoholism where you can't drink a drop of it anymore.


-tiredness: I hear you, that was strong for me.

-shyness: I had this so much that it took the shape of a periodic social anxiety disorder.

-distraction: distraction's the main attraction, aye

-lack of confidence: absolutely

-health concerns: definitely. Cannabis gave me hundreds of angina pectoris attacks before finally a heart attack did strike.

-repetition: With those symptoms, what's there to do but get higher? Drugs beget drugs.


All of the above, Cowgold has it too.. you really summed that up rather well, I recognise all that.

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I lied to myself for years about how much my use bogged me down.




Amen. After all, "it's only weed and weed's harmless" right?
Well, no.


It's good to see more and more Shroomerites are getting real about Marijuana. It can be a wonderful drug in moderation but taken to excess it's just like any other drug one takes to excess. There are prices to pay.

You can't take a powerful sedative with memory-scrambling effects daily for years, and have it not affect you.


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Re: Is it like this for everyone else? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #7844046 - 01/07/08 03:19 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

I believe their are both positive effects and negetive effects experienced when smoking. The negetive effects seem to be unnaffected by tolerance, where as the positive (high) declines as tolerance increases.

Pot can be counter-productive to people's life and goals. Some can overcome the side-effects and be just fine. I was one of those people, but I'm tired of trying to juggle everything.


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