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OfflineKoDeInE
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Order of Operations
    #7841002 - 01/06/08 07:38 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

ok i want to see if my process is correct b4 i start......i want to make a casing with a 4 inch tall rubbermaid storage bin, I would start off with pint jars with rye grain.(could i use half pint jars with grain? cause i have alot of em).
I probally wouldnt innoc with multispore. I would use LC. can u do that with grain?

I would cover the jars underlid with Tyvek. Is tyvek gas permeable or would i have to cover with multipore tape or leave the lid loose?

After 30% mycelium colization i shake em up.....

after 100% i would put a little vermiculite in the bottom of the rubbermaid then break up the rye and mycelium into little chunks and pour an even layer of mycelium into the rubber maid and cover with 50/50 vermiulite to peat.... cover with foil or clarplastic shit inccubate for like 3 days....then fruit?

do i have these oder of operations down? any tips,hints or specifics on this way of growing


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Re: Order of Operations [Re: KoDeInE]
    #7841025 - 01/06/08 07:44 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

don't do the 50/50 tek in the bin itself, it's best to use an alluminum tray for that(those slow cooker trays). Make sure you sterilize everything: the bottom layer of verm, your casing(50/50), and any tools you will be using.

You should incubate that tray for 3-5 days, once the mycelium pokes through- move it in the fruiting chamber(your rubbermaid containteR). I'd put some perlite at the bottom of the container and add water to help maintain humidity. You should also mist with a spray bottle 3-5 times a day and fan as much as you can for FAE.

and WATCH out for MOLD!!!! I just lost a tray...


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Re: Order of Operations [Re: KoDeInE]
    #7841033 - 01/06/08 07:46 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

u can use LC with grain, it speeds up colonization time. Tyvek allows for filtered air exchange. i would say spawn to coir/coffee, ull get bigger and more fruits. other than that ur good.


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Re: Order of Operations [Re: KoDeInE]
    #7841052 - 01/06/08 07:49 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Two things I noticed:

1) Put the lid on first, then place the Tyvek on TOP of the lid (not under), then screw on the band.  Your Tyvek should be sandwiched between the lid and the band, NOT the lid and the jar.  Your gas exchange will be fine with a Tyvek filter as long as you poke about four small holes in your lids.  Tyvek will allow for gas exchange -- that's why we use it as a filter. :wink:

2) You don't *need* the layer of vermiculite on the bottom of your casing tray.  Just fill your tray with your mycelium/rye, then apply the casing layer.  Some people put the verm on the bottom -- I'd suggest following hyphae's pinning strategy if you are casing your substrate, just give it a search.

And yes, you could use 1/2 pint jars if you already have them.


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Re: Order of Operations [Re: greystealth]
    #7841067 - 01/06/08 07:53 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

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greystealth said:
it's best to use an alluminum tray for that(those slow cooker trays).




You can use metal trays, but most people use plastic since mycelium metabolites can eat right through aluminum (though, I'm really not sure how common this is). If you must use metal trays, consider putting down a layer of plastic before pouring in your substrate.


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Re: Order of Operations [Re: HappyTripping]
    #7841108 - 01/06/08 08:01 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

yea thats what i ment sandwiched good example...i didint no how to explain it

i just read a tek that said that 1/2 gallon jars are good...should i just buy 12 of em..
and 2 lbs of organic rye? and some aluminum trays?

fruit in a 64 qt rubbermaid with perlite and put tray on a raised grate? with air rocks at the bottom for fae under the perlite? with airgrate on each side on top with micropore and tyvek filtering the holes...does that sound like a good setup?


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Re: Order of Operations [Re: KoDeInE]
    #7841214 - 01/06/08 08:25 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

You might need more than 2 lbs of rye berries, depending on how many jars you're planning on PC'ing. I bought 15 lbs or so of rye the other day and I'm probably close to half-way through it and I've only made up 7 quarts (in quart jars that were filled only 2/3rds of the way full). So if you can, grab some extra rye just in case. Last thing you're going to want is to have everything set to go only to find out that you've run out of berries -- but hopefully you have a local connection and won't need to place an emergency online order. Shipping is 'spensive.

You'll definitely need some trays if you are going to case. So grab those. Use metal ones if that's all you can get.

I haven't used 1/2 gallon jars before, but if the tek calls for it, follow the directions as closely as you can if this is your first time growing.

I have a 90 quart FC with perlite, air stones and a pump. Your setup sounds fine. But what holes are you talking about that need micropore and Tyvek? If you are going the airpump/air stone route, you don't need to drill holes in your FC. You also don't need to plug your holes/crevices/lid joints with Tyvek or micropore tape, especially if you are using an airpump.

From the FAQ:

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What is the deal with positive pressure?
Positive pressure is basically when you have more air blowing into your terrarium than can escape at once.. creating a positive airflow.. constantly "pushing" air out. Ideally this is achieved by a tightly sealed chamber and the CO2 exhaust holes near the bottom, collectively smaller than the diameter of the humidifier hose coming in. This creates a positive air pressure that helps prevent contaminants from entering. Although this is not necessary, it gives some growers peace of mind that their fruiting chambers are less susceptible to contamination





I've also found that I've been able to maintain 100% humidity without needing to raise the trays off the surface of the perlite, but your results may vary.


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Re: Order of Operations [Re: HappyTripping]
    #7842531 - 01/07/08 07:40 AM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Sounds kinda like a monotub.

I suggest looking up monotub teks, which is basically a big tub with substrate and casing, several large holes with polyfil for gas exchange. The substrate and casing provide the humidity in a monotub


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Re: Order of Operations [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7844971 - 01/07/08 06:34 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

The holes i made with this metal airway connecter thing i stole from the parts store...it looked usefull lol but i would put micropore tape just incase.......
and rye barries are like brown or gray cylinders kinda right.....if so there 1.68 lb at local organic store a block away so i think ill be ok

and monotub sounds like the setup i would like to try....i will look into that


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