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Captain Cubensis
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Re: 95% Humidity is fine for Casings. [Re: Nebula]
#7854001 - 01/09/08 02:31 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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What is the best analog hygrometer?
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Nibin
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Captain Cubensis said: What is the best analog hygrometer?
What is the best car? lol
Any what is the best question is impossible to answer, there are too many factors to take into account.
The most accurate? The cheapest? good value? easiness of reading? prettiest? Smallest?
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Re: 95% Humidity is fine for Casings. [Re: Nibin]
#7854072 - 01/09/08 02:42 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Well, let's ask it this way: if the accuracy of the analogue hygrometer has to be +/- 1 percent, what's price should we think of? Do you know any examples of such meters?
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: 95% Humidity is fine for Casings. [Re: Nebula]
#7854130 - 01/09/08 02:54 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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That's kind of what my question was, does anyone know of an accurate analog hygrometer.
I would say yes, accuracy is paramount, assuming I can afford it!
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"And as i said before i run mine 24/7 with a cool mist 24/7 and have great results." DR
I am sure you do, but just a thought here, instead of running 2 electrical units 24/7, why not drill some holes, fill the bottom of your FC with 5 inches of damp, well drained perlite, and set the ultra on a timer to saturate the air every 20 minutes.
Most ultras on high can saturate a large FC within 5 minutes, and the air will stay at 99% for about 20 minutes, depending on conditions of course.
Running the ultra just three times per hour means you would be at 99% Rh nearly 24/7 but cut your electricity usage by more than 80%, while achieving the same goal.
Well the biggest reason is that if your going to bring in all that FAE perlite wont keep up the humidity. if i remember correctly it was stated before that after you fan out your tank if your using perlite, it takes somewhere around an hour to let the humidity build back up. I mean i could keep the cool mist running, which i have tried to do, but a cool mist only maintains a RH of around 80%. Granted thats giving you Fae with it but it also seemed to cancel out the perlite since there is so much air coming in. so really i could just use the perlite, shotgun style which never seemed to work for me. trich was always a few days behind me with a setup like that. or i use perlite with a cool mist, which seemed to dry out cakes, but not so much with the casings. so I'm misting all the time, which i already said I'm not around enough to be reliable. or just bit the bullet and run both with a drain, which gives plenty of FAE, and keeps everything nice and moist. and best of all. NO TRICH. so I'm happy that way.
I do understand what your saying though, but i just couldn't get it to work that way.
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The trich would be caused by not enough FAE. Temporary drops in RH are not per se bad. They might dry out the cake a little more but I find that the extra evaporation seems to boost the growth of the shrooms, as long as the drop is temporary.
Must be because it imitates what happens in nature.
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Captain Cubensis said: That's kind of what my question was, does anyone know of an accurate analog hygrometer.
I would say yes, accuracy is paramount, assuming I can afford it!
I've used digital hygrometers and analog Hygrometers. I have even used the cheap $5 ones you can buy at the pet stores. I don't like the digital hygrometers I have used, because they were cheap and when I started misting, the humidity shot to 100% and stayed there for hours. The analog one seem to work fine. If you're in doubt about the accuracy, find the hygrometer calibration tek to check it.
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Captain Cubensis said: That's kind of what my question was, does anyone know of an accurate analog hygrometer.
I would say yes, accuracy is paramount, assuming I can afford it!
The point is, that when you define your requirements, ppl are able to answer your question more easily. If you ask "what's a good hygrometer?" and someone replies by saying "brand XY is good, accuracy +/- 10%" and your definition of a "good" hygrometer is +/- 2% accuracy, then you don't get the answer you want.. the definition of "good" is highly subjective...
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Re: 95% Humidity is fine for Casings. [Re: Nebula]
#7859267 - 01/10/08 12:41 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Wow, you are really crabby, and nit picky man. Highly suggestive? I think most would assume a good hygrometer is one that measures humidity accurately.
Most that I can find claim +/- 5%, which doesn't seem that accurate when it's the crucial 5% between 92 and 97 you need to know accurately.
Sorry the question wasn't phrased right for you, but to post on it seems mean spirited.
Couldn't find any factual errors to refute?
I think a good hygrometer is one that is pretty, but doesn't measure humidity that well.
What is a good therm, one that is wrong about the temp but really ties in the room?
Highly suggestive indeed, of your personality type.
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do trich and FAE really correlate? trich is an airborn contam, i thought FAE is how you got trich in the first place
i know low FAE results in cobweb, but never heard that it causes trich ??
80% can be fine for cased substrates as long as you spray them
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Re: 95% Humidity is fine for Casings. [Re: Nibin]
#7859295 - 01/10/08 12:49 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Nibin said:
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Captain Cubensis said: What is the best analog hygrometer?
What is the best car? lol
Any what is the best question is impossible to answer, there are too many factors to take into account.
The most accurate? The cheapest? good value? easiness of reading? prettiest? Smallest?
Who would choose The cheapest? good value? easiness of reading? prettiest? Smallest, hygrometer knowing that it wasn't accurate?
Your list of 6 items was quite a struggle(impossible to answer, there are too many factors to take into account), value and cost nearly the same thing, and your last three are just out there and ridiculous, unless I have bad eyes I guess.
So really, of the many factors to take into account, you came up with one, and answered your own question.
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Captain Cubensis said: Wow, you are really crabby, and nit picky man. Highly suggestive? I think most would assume a good hygrometer is one that measures humidity accurately.
Most that I can find claim +/- 5%, which doesn't seem that accurate when it's the crucial 5% between 92 and 97 you need to know accurately.
Sorry the question wasn't phrased right for you, but to post on it seems mean spirited.
Couldn't find any factual errors to refute?
I think a good hygrometer is one that is pretty, but doesn't measure humidity that well.
What is a good therm, one that is wrong about the temp but really ties in the room?
Highly suggestive indeed, of your personality type.
WOW, you really don't understand! First of all, I wrote SUBJECTIVE NOT SUGGESTIVE. Subjective is not suggestive! Secondly, I meant well. Nobody has ever called me mean spirited, you're the first one to say so, congratulations! My only point was: the more accurate you specify what you want, the more likely it is you get the answer you want. I think that's what Nibin wanted to say as well.
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Re: 95% Humidity is fine for Casings. [Re: Nebula]
#7859395 - 01/10/08 01:10 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Sure man, okay, whatever.
I was wrong buy not specifying that I think a good hygrometer is one that measures humidity accurately.
Some things, go without saying, and after searching my posts that was the best you could do, criticize the question.
You could have answered, "the most accurate one is..."
Would have been more productive then the seminar on how to Effectively Ask a Question.
That's so funny how in a post where you refute your nit picky attitude, you also make fun of me for misreading one word you wrote.
Did I miss the meaning of what you were saying? No, I didn't.
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Re: The Myth of 100% Humidity [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7859545 - 01/10/08 01:38 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: But what about all the talk that droplets on your pins will casue aborts?
Shouldn't you avoid condensation and misting untill pinset, then provide periodic mistings?
Droplets on your pins will not cause aborts. It's recommended to mist mushrooms. Air exchange must be provided because stagnant water sitting on a mushroom in stagnant air for an extended period WILL cause aborts. If they get wet, it's because liquid water droplets were thrown on them, not humidity in the air.
92% humidity will be fine with a good casing layer. I prefer higher, but lower will also still work, only requiring more frequent misting. RR
But you also said this:
Just to add my 2 cents, I'd avoid misting the fruits. Sometimes as the fruits get larger and mature you can mist them without problem, but I've seen tons of healthy pins abort after being misted. Just mist lightly between the pins and you'll be fine. I have no idea why it can rain like hell outside and all the mushies survive, but if you mist lightly indoors it can abort them. Anyway, that's been my experience. Good luck! RR 03/26/03
I would recommend misting carefully between the pins. If the pins stay wet for any length of time in still air, they often abort. That's why a massive air exchange after misting helps prevents aborts. RR
When you first see knots, it's best to avoid misting until the pins get half an inch tall or so, but if you mist then, be sure to up the air exchange afterward so they don't sit wet. A wet pin in stale air is almost a sure bet to abort. RR 06/14/06
Pins can be wet as long as they have plenty of air flowing. If the grower is using an old style terrarium that's all closed up, wet pins are asking to abort. I'd prefer to mist, and then let them dry off between mistings. RR
You can mist lightly now, but be sure to let them dry before you close up the terrarium. They won't abort unless they sit there wet for an extended time. If you're worried about it, you can use a syringe to squirt water very carefully between the pins. RR
Which is it Roger, you contradict yourself several times in old posts.
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All we are saying is that you can't make a what is the best question as it changes from person to person.
For example, you have already said you want best value (i.e most accurate you can afford).
For others, only accuracy might be important, even if they have to pay 1000 dollars for it.
Others might want the cheapest out there.
Another might want one that he can connect remotely or that has an external reading unit.
So you want to know what is the most accurate hygrometer in what price range? What is your budget?
PS: On the post above. Old information is as you say, old. New discoveries change things.
Look for posts made in 2007.
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Re: 95% Humidity is fine for Casings. [Re: Nibin]
#7859623 - 01/10/08 01:50 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Nibin said: All we are saying is that you can't make a what is the best question as it changes from person to person.
For example, you have already said you want best value (i.e most accurate you can afford).
For others, only accuracy might be important, even if they have to pay 1000 dollars for it.
Others might want the cheapest out there.
Another might want one that he can connect remotely or that has an external reading unit.
So you want to know what is the most accurate hygrometer in what price range? What is your budget?
PS: On the post above. Old information is as you say, old. New discoveries change things.
Look for posts made in 2007.
My fav is to search for coir grows where they used it as a casing layer lol. The same thing over and over. Why do I have such bad overlay lol. Its cuz it was too nutritious.But little do they all know lol.
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Captain Cubensis said:
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RogerRabbit said:
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Captain Cubensis said: But what about all the talk that droplets on your pins will casue aborts?
Shouldn't you avoid condensation and misting untill pinset, then provide periodic mistings?
Droplets on your pins will not cause aborts. It's recommended to mist mushrooms. Air exchange must be provided because stagnant water sitting on a mushroom in stagnant air for an extended period WILL cause aborts. If they get wet, it's because liquid water droplets were thrown on them, not humidity in the air.
92% humidity will be fine with a good casing layer. I prefer higher, but lower will also still work, only requiring more frequent misting. RR
But you also said this:
Just to add my 2 cents, I'd avoid misting the fruits. Sometimes as the fruits get larger and mature you can mist them without problem, but I've seen tons of healthy pins abort after being misted. Just mist lightly between the pins and you'll be fine. I have no idea why it can rain like hell outside and all the mushies survive, but if you mist lightly indoors it can abort them. Anyway, that's been my experience. Good luck! RR 03/26/03
I would recommend misting carefully between the pins. If the pins stay wet for any length of time in still air, they often abort. That's why a massive air exchange after misting helps prevents aborts. RR
When you first see knots, it's best to avoid misting until the pins get half an inch tall or so, but if you mist then, be sure to up the air exchange afterward so they don't sit wet. A wet pin in stale air is almost a sure bet to abort. RR 06/14/06
Pins can be wet as long as they have plenty of air flowing. If the grower is using an old style terrarium that's all closed up, wet pins are asking to abort. I'd prefer to mist, and then let them dry off between mistings. RR
You can mist lightly now, but be sure to let them dry before you close up the terrarium. They won't abort unless they sit there wet for an extended time. If you're worried about it, you can use a syringe to squirt water very carefully between the pins. RR
Which is it Roger, you contradict yourself several times in old posts.
Not withstanding the fact that people learn more as they actually cultivate, the above quotes all state that misting, followed by air exchange, will not cause aborts. RR repeatedly states that stagnant water will cause them.
I don't understand your confusion. Perhaps it will clear up with some experience.
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Re: The Myth of 100% Humidity [Re: Crasher]
#7859816 - 01/10/08 02:22 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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On this one I do agree with CC a good hydrometer should measure RH accurately. However isn't that the point of calibrating it ? Alot of people say that Cigar analog hydrometers are the best so check into that.
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Dude I do the exact same thing 1 vick cool mist impeller one reli-on ultrasonic running 24/7 with lots of holes in the green house to keep fae at maximum
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Re: The Myth of 100% Humidity [Re: joshua m]
#7860813 - 01/10/08 06:01 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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i use a masons hygrometer. it is the most accurate and requires the least amount of calibration. they cost around 20 dollars too.
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