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likwid
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Turbinado Woes
#7837949 - 01/06/08 12:42 AM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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A week and a half ago I inoculated some Turbinado LC jars. (240ml/5g ratio)
I've got this fuzzy myc on the very bottom of the jar that formed probably about three days ago. It's not like the "puffballs" that I've seen posted in some examples. It more resembles a very fine "carpet" of myc across the bottom of the jar.
So far I've added a peice of wire and stirred the myc up a bit, but it just sorta settled back to the bottom the way it was.
Any opinions or suggestions? Or should I just keep my freakin hands off em?
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Re: Turbinado Woes [Re: likwid]
#7838183 - 01/06/08 03:41 AM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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"Mycelium" that only lingers on the bottom of a jar isn't a good sign. Healthy LC's have myc swimming all around the jar, not only on the ground.
A pic would be very helpful, but according to my own experience and stuff I read in here, this more sounds like something else. You often have problem when you use honey, that caramelized during PC'ing and forms fuzzy balls on the bottom of your jars.
This absolutely doesn't mean that you could have been successful. It just means that you should post a pic if possible, so other people can give their opinion about it.
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Re: Turbinado Woes [Re: Fahkface]
#7839098 - 01/06/08 12:32 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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Well, I took a pic but honestly you can't see anything in it. I don't have a very high quality camera, and you can't really tell anything other than its a jar with liquid in it. But either way here you go:


There seems too be a few swimming around the middle of the jar, but most of it is just sitting on the bottom.
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likwid
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Re: Turbinado Woes [Re: Fahkface]
#7840316 - 01/06/08 04:25 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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Quote:
"Mycelium" that only lingers on the bottom of a jar isn't a good sign. Healthy LC's have myc swimming all around the jar, not only on the ground.
Any idea what causes this? Contams? Poor LC compsition? Carmalization?
It doesn't appear to be contaminated, the Turbinado/Water is crystal clear, just myc at the bottom.
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Re: Turbinado Woes [Re: likwid]
#7840341 - 01/06/08 04:30 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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the mycelium will rest at the bottom. it doesnt swim. It should pile up as it grows
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likwid
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Re: Turbinado Woes [Re: tahoe]
#7840374 - 01/06/08 04:40 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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Ahh, so you're saying my mycelium is probably just moving a bit slower? And that I should take my grubby mitts off the jars and relax?
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Re: Turbinado Woes [Re: Morelman]
#7840810 - 01/06/08 06:48 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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yeah i've never had a jar that was full of mycelium when it had been sitting. just a layer at the bottom. when I stir it up it gets nice and floaty, but eventualy settles back down.
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Re: Turbinado Woes [Re: Morelman]
#7840815 - 01/06/08 06:49 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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Shake it up
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i had the same problem with honey one worked great and the other two got like that after about 3 weeks i threw it out this is what it was like after i shook it[image]http:// [/image] //www.shroomery.org/forums/files/07-51/811848617-IMG_5213.jpg]
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likwid
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The one on the left must be the good one. None of mine are cloudy like the other two examples you have there. They're all quite clear, just fine myc on the bottom.
I think it's just slow, hopefully it'll speed up a bit so I can actually use it.
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Re: Turbinado Woes [Re: likwid]
#7841469 - 01/06/08 09:25 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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its always worth a shot just do a jar or two to see and good luck
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the cloudiness was fron shaking right before the pic it was all on the bottom real fine like dust
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likwid
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Did they work allright?
I'm gonna give mine a couple more days. Then I've got some spare PF style jars sealed up that I might try to knock up.
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Re: Turbinado Woes [Re: likwid]
#7841576 - 01/06/08 09:46 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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I never used the cloudy ones they didn't look rite so i tossed them but it was my first attempt at lcs so i didn't want to risk it and it looked so much different from the good one
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Re: Turbinado Woes [Re: likwid]
#7850299 - 01/08/08 08:37 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Two days later and there is absolutly no progress in the myc colonizing these jars.
I've managed to break up the myc to spread it around a little more, but now theres just twice as many of little white goobers floating around. Still, nothing... I've seen some impressive results from other members on this forum using exactly the same ratio. Rapid growth, while mine is about two weeks in and I can only just tell the spores have germinated.
What in the world is a person to do? Does it sound like the spores are crap, or can contaminants halt the mycelium growth completely without showing any signs what-so-ever?
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Re: Turbinado Woes [Re: likwid]
#7873385 - 01/13/08 01:31 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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Ok, so I got fed up with the way this LC was going so I decided to do something about it. The jar looks healthy, except for the fact that the myc hasn't done anything since the spores germinated.(almost a week and a half ago) I made up a nother couple jars of LC(Karo/Turbinado, Turbinado, and Honey) and mixed up one of the other jars that stalled. With an empty syringe I pulled about 10cc of as much myc as I could out of the jar.(believe me, that wasn't much) I knocked up two other jars with it to see what would happen. I was as sterile as could be, just like when I created the other LC. Took a shower, clean clothes, brush teeth, lysterine, brush teeth, sprayed air sanitizer everywhere, used a sterilized still air box, put on a dust mask, wiped my arms from finger tip to elbow with alcohol, wiped down the lids of all LCs with alcohol sterilized the needle with a lighter, bla bla bla.
After I finished that I put some fresh dust covers one them. Then I opened the LC I just took from...nothing. No foul smell, not sour, it smelled just like the LC did when I mixed it up oringinally. I threw it out anyway because it was exposed to open air.
It's been a day and I don't see any evidence that there is even myc in any of the three jars. I'm sure it can take longer than a day for the myc to start back up again.
So what causes an LC to stall this early?
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