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BRF Cakes with Vermiculite Casing w/Pics
#7837069 - 01/05/08 07:44 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Not trying to say this will be the new big thing, just proving that it can be done.
Okay So earlier this week I was birthing cakes and I filled my FC with a 1 pint cake to spare. So i decided to use a small aluminum pan to make a casing but I didn't have any jiffymix or peat moss. So I decided to use 80/20 Fine vermiculite/perlite....PCed it for 40 min at 15 psi placed a little bit in the bottom and broke up the cake placing 4-5 inch layer into the pan.Then covered it up with a quarter inch layer of the 80/20 on top.Placed it inside a gallon sized ziplock bag and poked some holes in it with a fork. Left in room temperature and 2 days later this is what I have.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7837178 - 01/05/08 08:36 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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I hate to jump ahead of myself about this, but after all the talk by Captain about using vermiculite over the last few days I thought I'd show the progress.I will continue to update with pics throughout the week.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7837689 - 01/05/08 11:02 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Intersting little experiment.
But, perlite is best used for humidificaton, as it has a large surface area where any water that it is holding can evaporate into the air.
Vermiculite on the other hand is like a sponge, soaks up moisture and holds it releasing it when nessesary.
Vermiculite is the worst possible casing material you could use, it does its job well on cakes.
Cakes are generaly best left as cakes rolled in verm, unless spawning to a bulk substrate
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: veda_sticks]
#7837815 - 01/05/08 11:41 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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veda_sticks said: Intersting little experiment.
But, perlite is best used for humidificaton, as it has a large surface area where any water that it is holding can evaporate into the air.
Vermiculite on the other hand is like a sponge, soaks up moisture and holds it releasing it when nessesary.
Vermiculite is the worst possible casing material you could use, it does its job well on cakes.
Cakes are generaly best left as cakes rolled in verm, unless spawning to a bulk substrate
I wouldn't say it's THAT bad.
Edited by Wolfgang (01/06/08 02:28 AM)
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7837839 - 01/05/08 11:52 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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why did you use 80/20 verm/brf iu was going to prove this in 12 days but hopefully yours turns out real good to prov that using it isnt that bad thanks for doing it anyways
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: shroomials]
#7838103 - 01/06/08 02:23 AM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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i missed a few words out in the sentance,
ill rephrase
Cakes to pretty well left as cakes rolled in verm.
The benifits from crumbling and casing a cake is minimal if any (unless spawning to bulk)
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: shroomials]
#7838131 - 01/06/08 02:45 AM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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shroomials said: why did you use 80/20 verm/brf iu was going to prove this in 12 days but hopefully yours turns out real good to prov that using it isnt that bad thanks for doing it anyways
You can't case with Verm/BRF. Casing mixes have to be non nutritional.
What you are trying to do is spawn cakes to more pf cake mix, but as that mix contains grains, if you try and mix them out in the open, instead of inside jars, it will contaminate.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Nibin]
#7838355 - 01/06/08 07:05 AM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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No I used only vermiculite for a "casing" which it is non nutritous. I only added perlite to add some air pockets since the verm. was super fine. I have understood the value of perlite and verm since the beginning. Theres only about 1000 post about it :P I ran out of room in my FC thats the only reason I did this with my last cake.Besides I like being the one who goes against all odds and gets something to work.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7838402 - 01/06/08 07:48 AM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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Verm + perlite for texture should work, I don't know how well compared to other casings, but work it should.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Nibin]
#7847049 - 01/08/08 08:17 AM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Okay so a few days have gone by, I accidently bumped the tub with the casing in it when it was incubating and I had to wait a few extra days again. Never the less today I started to see signs of pinning. This is just the first few pins and pin heads popping out, will take more pictures soon.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7853329 - 01/09/08 12:18 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Im starting to disagree about casing crumbled cakes vs. leaving them as it. So far the casing vs. a cake put in the same day are very noticeable. First flush from cake 5 grams dry. First flush from casing is still maturing but there are almost exactly twice as many mushrooms growing.When the 1st flush is finished I will be only comparing dry weight, as that's all that matters to me. More Pics soon.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7853370 - 01/09/08 12:30 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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you still have the tin pan in the ziplock bag? or is it in the FC with the cake. also are u misting the casing at all or doing anything elsewith it?
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
#7853378 - 01/09/08 12:32 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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It's in the FC now, has been for the last few days. I considered just leaving it in the baggie as a mini terrarium but decided against it. I have been misting it twice a day as of right now. It seems to have plenty of moisture so I haven't been overdoing it. I like to think for my first casing, with the worst possible casing material it's doing rather well. I didn't expect much from it at all.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7853392 - 01/09/08 12:35 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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i see. so basically u mixed your substrate put the layers in the tin ( how many cakes) then did u put it in the ziplock from there? and put it in the dark?
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
#7853439 - 01/09/08 12:45 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yeah threw 1 cake into a bag, stuck a sterilized fork into the baggie and crumpled up the cake.Places this evenly into the bottom of a small aluminum pan, put a layer of fine grade vermiculite with a little bit of perlite in it (now see it probably was not needed)on top. Placed in a gallon sized ziplock bag poked a few holes into it with the fork. Placed at room temp. in the dark for a few days until little patches of mycelium poke threw then placed into the FC and treated it like a cake basically. Really the only significant thing is more surface area for mushies to grow from thus more mushies growing. I more than likely will not keep doing this,however it was some good practice for first time casing.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7853454 - 01/09/08 12:48 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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DontPlay said: I more than likely will not keep doing this,however it was some good practice for first time casing.
:] thank you very much. atleast u are someone that explained that to me and didn't tell me to search it. much appreciated!
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
#7853482 - 01/09/08 12:52 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Well lol had I not been bored I woulda told you to go search. Everything I know as of now has been from this site and all the wonderful post. Trust me their right, these thing's have been discussed a million times.I only started this thread because of last week and all the talk about vermiculite casings.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7853497 - 01/09/08 12:55 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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yea i read them it almost made me change my mind and not use verm but since u posted this it changed my mind back to verm
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
#7853519 - 01/09/08 01:00 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Well that's why I added that last bit about it not being the best. I haven't tried the other ones, but have seen other peoples results. Right now im colonizing some quart jars of Wild Bird Seed and will make a bigger casing with them (3 of them) One I will use a vermiculite casing the 2nd will be a 50/50 and the last will be a coir/vermiculite casing. Just to see for myself side by side which I like better. Keep in mind all these have been tried, and by searching you should have come to the conclusion that they will all work.Some have had more constant results using other casing materials. I recommend that you try a few yourself and pick which one you like most. What materials are easier to get, cheaper that kinda thing.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7853653 - 01/09/08 01:28 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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thank you for the info once again. but one more quick question. u mixed your substrate put it in the tin then pced it. then u broke up your cake put it on top of that layer. then did u make another 50/50 of verm/perl and just toss it on or did u pc that? NEVER MIND NEVER MIND i got it now u don't gotta answer that! thank you.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
#7853709 - 01/09/08 01:39 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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woooooo nelly. I made a cake like normal, then crumpled it and placed it in a pan. I did not try a bulk substrate deal. I would like to add that I did not PC nor bake the vermiculite. m.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7853735 - 01/09/08 01:44 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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ok??? so u didn't mix your substrate and pc it? then put your first layer down then your cakes then the rest of the pced substrate???? and will this verm be ok for this same project?
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7853763 - 01/09/08 01:48 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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DontPlay said: Im starting to disagree about casing crumbled cakes vs. leaving them as it. So far the casing vs. a cake put in the same day are very noticeable. First flush from cake 5 grams dry. First flush from casing is still maturing but there are almost exactly twice as many mushrooms growing.When the 1st flush is finished I will be only comparing dry weight, as that's all that matters to me. More Pics soon.
There is a fixed amount of nutrient in a cake so the max amount of fruits can't be increased.
What you do get with crumbled cakes (at least I did) is that you will get less flushes, but they will have more fruits. I imagine it has something to do with the water retaining capabilities of the casings.
But you still have the extra waiting and contamination risk to account for.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Nibin]
#7853839 - 01/09/08 01:59 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Very very true, that would make sense. There is just more area for pins to grow and I do expect to see very few in the 3rd and 4th flushes. That's why next time it will be a quart jar of WBS with vermiculite casing.
Supplier I had an extra cake 1. Crumpled it up as described in an earlier post 2. Placed at the bottom of the pan ( i did put some vermiculite at the bottom but wasn't necessary) 3.Poured some vermiculite and perlite in a container, and mixed (DID NOT PC it, although you might want to) 4.Watered well untill it looked saturated
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7853863 - 01/09/08 02:03 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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ok ok. yea im gunna pc my verm/perlite then put it into the tin on top of the crumbled up cakes, then throw it in a ziplock with some holes in it. oh yea did u cover the tin with anything when u put it in the bag or did u just put it in the bag and poked some holes and let it sit?
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
#7853900 - 01/09/08 02:10 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yup in the bag let it sit at room temp in the dark for about 3 days.
Just took this pic today, a lot of pins. The big one was the first and is now taking a lead. Would like to say my Kodak Camera suck but I will eventually by a new one. No it does not have the macro setting, which I found to be kinda stupid.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7853920 - 01/09/08 02:13 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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and it didn't get contaminated just sitting open face in the bag with holes?? and also do u mist the tin directly like even on the mushrooms?
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
#7854548 - 01/09/08 04:06 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yes and Yes,Im pretty sure it has not got contaminated because vermiculite is non nutritious so there were no nutrients for molds or bacteria to grow on( Don't hold me to this lol). I have some holes and I fan daily for FAE and to prevent Cob Web Mold. I sprayed it directly, and still am because misting will not hurt your pins or mushrooms as long as you don't drown them.
Im sure it would be better to PC the vermiculite or at least bake it in a pan in the oven.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7856293 - 01/09/08 09:40 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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i see well im deff going to try this soon as my syringes come in. also is t safe to pc/steam perlite? haha this may be a dumb question but just curious?
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
#7856325 - 01/09/08 09:45 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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I have no idea, personally I did not do anything with the perlite I put in the bottom of the FC, or in that casing. However I do think you can PC it or bake it in the oven. It's not like it will explode or anything. Just try searching like sterilizing perlite im sure you'll find the answer quick and easy.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7856353 - 01/09/08 09:47 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
#7857845 - 01/10/08 06:48 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Im still seeing no difference between a cake and a crumble n cased cake.
You will need take in results not just from first flush, but from all future flushes. U might find that your cake will give more flushes than the casing.
U might find you get smaller flushes from the cake, but the cake may continue to flush longer than the casing.
I suspect overall the yeilds will be very similar.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: veda_sticks]
#7857855 - 01/10/08 06:53 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah I decided last night to compare results from all flushs from both. I also realize that their is still the same amount of nutrients in the casing as in the cake. The only reason I would recommend this is for practice before moving onto big casings or bulked substrates. Also I like this for the fact that I can get ALL the mushies in a flush or two.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7857870 - 01/10/08 06:58 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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That is a good point, you should maybe give it a go with a proper casing like the 50/50 and see how that goes. There is also the option of spawning your cakes to a bulk substrate (coir/coffee??) and then case that.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: veda_sticks]
#7857878 - 01/10/08 07:01 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah I will surely be trying both of those idea's Im currently waiting for a few quart jars of WBS and Rye to finish colonizing so I can give that a go. I will be casing those with a 50/50 jiffy mix probably.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7857925 - 01/10/08 07:19 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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any pic updates?
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
#7857991 - 01/10/08 07:39 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Well I might take one, I woke up and there were about 4 more new groups of pins so far it has more mushrooms growing at once which would be the only benefit that I can see.(Compared to a cake)
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7858066 - 01/10/08 08:05 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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yea. have u ever tried just taking a hole or two hole cakes from a small 4 oz jar and instead of breaking them up just leaving hole and coering with substrate?? because one of the 50/50 teks say for best results keep hole?
one more quick question tell me what patching is? putting dry verm over myc that comes out of top layer?
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
#7858095 - 01/10/08 08:14 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah I didn't try that because well idk its kinda pointless lol.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7868174 - 01/12/08 06:14 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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any update on pics?
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
#7868245 - 01/12/08 07:29 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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This pic was takin yesterday, all the small pins are now twice the size they are in the pic. Other than there being more room to grow mushies it is about the same as keeping it as a cake. It did end up taking quiet a while to get to this point, and I now honestly have to say it wasn't entirely worth it. I do think that My WBS and Rye jars will make better casings and I will still probably use Vermiculite.

Im starting to wonder if it's me or the strain that is making all these skinny mushrooms. Some get kinda big but not on this flush at all. However they are rather potent and pack a very visual trip.
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Edited by DontPlay (01/12/08 07:31 AM)
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7869402 - 01/12/08 03:12 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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:]] are they b+?
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
#7869501 - 01/12/08 03:42 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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There supposed to be Thai-Pink Buffalo but maybe they sent be the wrong one whooo knows.
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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
#7869673 - 01/12/08 04:28 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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hrmm... well i got b+ on the way, but i was thinking about getting some P mystery but idk how they are.
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