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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
    #7853709 - 01/09/08 01:39 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

woooooo nelly. I made a cake like normal, then crumpled it and placed it in a pan. I did not try a bulk substrate deal. I would like to add that I did not PC nor bake the vermiculite. m.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7853735 - 01/09/08 01:44 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

ok??? so u didn't mix your substrate and pc it? then put your first layer down then your cakes then the rest of the pced substrate???? and will this verm be ok for this same project?



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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7853763 - 01/09/08 01:48 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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Im starting to disagree about casing crumbled cakes vs. leaving them as it. So far the casing vs. a cake put in the same day are very noticeable. First flush from cake 5 grams dry. First flush from casing is still maturing but there are almost exactly twice as many mushrooms growing.When the 1st flush is finished I will be only comparing dry weight, as that's all that matters to me. More Pics soon.




There is a fixed amount of nutrient in a cake so the max amount of fruits can't be increased.

What you do get with crumbled cakes (at least I did) is that you will get less flushes, but they will have more fruits. I imagine it has something to do with the water retaining capabilities of the casings.

But you still have the extra waiting and contamination risk to account for.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Nibin]
    #7853839 - 01/09/08 01:59 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Very very true, that would make sense. There is just more area for pins to grow and I do expect to see very few in the 3rd and 4th flushes. That's why next time it will be a quart jar of WBS with vermiculite casing.

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I had an extra cake
1. Crumpled it up as described in an earlier post
2. Placed at the bottom of the pan ( i did put some vermiculite at the bottom but wasn't necessary)
3.Poured some vermiculite and perlite in a container, and mixed
(DID NOT PC it, although you might want to)
4.Watered well untill it looked saturated


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7853863 - 01/09/08 02:03 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

ok ok. yea im gunna pc my verm/perlite then put it into the tin on top of the crumbled up cakes, then throw it in a ziplock with some holes in it. oh yea did u cover the tin with anything when u put it in the bag or did u just put it in the bag and poked some holes and let it sit?


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
    #7853900 - 01/09/08 02:10 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Yup in the bag let it sit at room temp in the dark for about 3 days.

Just took this pic today, a lot of pins. The big one was the first and is now taking a lead. Would like to say my Kodak Camera suck but I will eventually by a new one. No it does not have the macro setting, which I found to be kinda stupid.



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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7853920 - 01/09/08 02:13 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

and it didn't get contaminated just sitting open face in the bag with holes?? and also do u mist the tin directly like even on the mushrooms?


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
    #7854548 - 01/09/08 04:06 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Yes and Yes,Im pretty sure it has not got contaminated because vermiculite is non nutritious so there were no nutrients for molds or bacteria to grow on( Don't hold me to this lol). I have some holes and I fan daily for FAE and to prevent Cob Web Mold. I sprayed it directly, and still am because misting will not hurt your pins or mushrooms as long as you don't drown them.

Im sure it would be better to PC the vermiculite or at least bake it in a pan in the oven.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7856293 - 01/09/08 09:40 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

i see well im deff going to try this soon as my syringes come in. also is t safe to pc/steam perlite? haha this may be a dumb question but just curious?


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
    #7856325 - 01/09/08 09:45 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I have no idea, personally I did not do anything with the perlite I put in the bottom of the FC, or in that casing. However I do think you can PC it or bake it in the oven. It's not like it will explode or anything. Just try searching like sterilizing perlite im sure you'll find the answer quick and easy.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7856353 - 01/09/08 09:47 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

ok thank you and check your pm :]


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
    #7857845 - 01/10/08 06:48 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Im still seeing no difference between a cake and a crumble n cased cake.

You will need take in results not just from first flush, but from all future flushes. U might find that your cake will give more flushes than the casing.

U might find you get smaller flushes from the cake, but the cake may continue to flush longer than the casing.

I suspect overall the yeilds will be very similar.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7857855 - 01/10/08 06:53 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Yeah I decided last night to compare results from all flushs from both. I also realize that their is still the same amount of nutrients in the casing as in the cake. The only reason I would recommend this is for practice before moving onto big casings or bulked substrates. Also I like this for the fact that I can get ALL the mushies in a flush or two.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7857870 - 01/10/08 06:58 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

That is a good point, you should maybe give it a go with a proper casing like the 50/50 and see how that goes. There is also the option of spawning your cakes to a bulk substrate (coir/coffee??) and then case that.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7857878 - 01/10/08 07:01 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Yeah I will surely be trying both of those idea's Im currently waiting for a few quart jars of WBS and Rye to finish colonizing so I can give that a go. I will be casing those with a 50/50 jiffy mix probably.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7857925 - 01/10/08 07:19 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

any pic updates? :laugh:


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
    #7857991 - 01/10/08 07:39 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Well I might take one, I woke up and there were about 4 more new groups of pins so far it has more mushrooms growing at once which would be the only benefit that I can see.(Compared to a cake)


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7858066 - 01/10/08 08:05 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

yea. have u ever tried just taking a hole or two hole cakes from a small 4 oz jar and instead of breaking them up just leaving hole and coering with substrate?? because one of the 50/50 teks say for best results keep hole?

one more quick question tell me what patching is? putting dry verm over myc that comes out of top layer?


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
    #7858095 - 01/10/08 08:14 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Yeah I didn't try that because well idk its kinda pointless lol.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7868174 - 01/12/08 06:14 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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