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Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England
#7836673 - 01/05/08 05:56 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Brit liable for arrest for ......Flaming on a blog: http://wolfhowling.blogspot.com/2008/01/britains-prosecution-of-blogger.html
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Freedom of speech is under assault today in Britain. A British blogger whom I read, Lionheart, has posted on his website that he expects to be arrested upon his return to the United Kingdom for things that he has posted on his blog. Likely as a result of his commentary on Islam, he will be charged with stirring up racial hatred.
Imagine how long I could get. Sometimes I can't help but think Limeys are assholes. And I really don't want to. Whoops.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: zappaisgod]
#7836765 - 01/05/08 06:19 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Has england ever had free speech? I mean, I dont think they have an english version of the US's first amendment. Maybe they do, but certainly europe in general prefers to limit free speech in favor of whatever multicultural trend is fashionable for the decade.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: DieCommie]
#7836812 - 01/05/08 06:34 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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That and their utterly absurd libel laws. Stupid. Fucking. Limeys.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: DieCommie]
#7836830 - 01/05/08 06:38 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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"Sometimes I can't help but think Limeys are assholes."
The person getting arrested is a "Limey." Does that make him an asshole? If so, how can all the other limey's be considered assholes for shutting him up? Logic? What?
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: xFrockx]
#7836913 - 01/05/08 07:03 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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All the other Limeys who made laws like this are assholes. Can you understand me now?
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: zappaisgod]
#7836922 - 01/05/08 07:05 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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What about the ones who upheld them? Was Winston Churchill an asshole?
Just trying to get you to see how dumb your generalization is, thats all. Once you realize that my work here is done
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: xFrockx]
#7836938 - 01/05/08 07:10 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Generalizations are just that, in general. A specific case like Winston Churchill, or Lionheart doesn't negate a generality.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: DieCommie]
#7836968 - 01/05/08 07:20 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Generalizations have no place in categorizing groups of people. All generalizations are flawed because there are exceptions, and because of this it would be more accurate to not make a generalization than to make one. I generally try to be accurate in debate.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: xFrockx]
#7836985 - 01/05/08 07:24 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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You generally try to be pointlessly niggling in debate.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: zappaisgod]
#7836991 - 01/05/08 07:25 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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You generally are susceptible to it.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: xFrockx]
#7837023 - 01/05/08 07:34 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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I aren't generally neither
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: xFrockx]
#7837050 - 01/05/08 07:39 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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why waste your breath?
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: xFrockx]
#7837274 - 01/05/08 09:13 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Quote:
xFrockx said: Generalizations have no place in categorizing groups of people. All generalizations are flawed because there are exceptions, and because of this it would be more accurate to not make a generalization than to make one. I generally try to be accurate in debate.
Generalizations are not universalities. They're speaking generally -- generally, grass is green. sometimes it's not. i've seen yellow grass and brown grass, but GENERALLY, grass is green.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: Mushmonkey]
#7837281 - 01/05/08 09:15 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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SPECIESIST!
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: Mushmonkey]
#7837312 - 01/05/08 09:22 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Grass is not people, hence:
"Generalizations have no place in categorizing groups of people. "
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: xFrockx]
#7837334 - 01/05/08 09:30 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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xFrockx said: Grass is not people, hence:
"Generalizations have no place in categorizing groups of people. "
How silly. That would throw out centuries of medical, psychological, anthropological and (spit) sociological research.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: zappaisgod]
#7837390 - 01/05/08 09:46 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Jesus, people, can you possible derail a thread any worse?
Zappa: Good thing the Pub's server isn't based in England.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: Redstorm]
#7837426 - 01/05/08 09:55 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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The pubs have been long closed in Limey land. Jeez, all I did was call the kid a pompous fascist. What's so bad about that? Buncha homos over there.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: xFrockx]
#7837956 - 01/06/08 12:47 AM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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xFrockx said: Grass is not people, hence:
"Generalizations have no place in categorizing groups of people. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics
Yeah.. a lot of people spend a lot of time doing exactly what you say we shouldn't be doing. Lot of money in making generalizations and categorizing people.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: xFrockx]
#7838316 - 01/06/08 06:30 AM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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Those who bitch about generalizations rarely have solid arguments against them and fail to realize that life has been, is and will be full of them. Generalizations are often spot on.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: zappaisgod]
#7838338 - 01/06/08 06:53 AM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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1. This Lionheart blogger dude is a complete moron. 2. He is being arrested on suspision, not charged, until a full investigation has been carried out. As this law has also been applied to Muslim extremists it has to apply to both sides. 3. The law definitely seems heavy handed and over the top but its hardly Gitmo Bay. 4. What aspect of our libel law do you find amusing? The ridiculous level of litigation prevalent in the US is a constant source of amusement to stupid fucking limeys. 5. As for your concerns about how you would fare over here, let me assure you that you would have nothing to worry about. Ignorance has not yet been criminalised.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: GazzBut]
#7841421 - 01/06/08 09:13 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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Civil laws in the USA cover this...............not criminal, which entails private citizens spending their own money, not the taxpayers.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: zappaisgod]
#7879715 - 01/14/08 06:35 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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If you think it's just in england you are tripping
Here's one in your own back yard m8
http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2006/10/jake-brahm-how-to-screw-up-your-life.html
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: DieCommie]
#7879754 - 01/14/08 06:41 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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DieCommie said: Has england ever had free speech? I mean, I dont think they have an english version of the US's first amendment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: Rectul Threat]
#7879781 - 01/14/08 06:45 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Rectul Threat said: If you think it's just in england you are tripping
Here's one in your own back yard m8
http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2006/10/jake-brahm-how-to-screw-up-your-life.html
are you joking?
In america, that guy said bombs were set to blow up stadiums full of people...
In UK, the law is this:
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18 (1) A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if—
(a) he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or
(b) having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.
27 (3) A person guilty of an offence under this Part is liable— (a) on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years or a fine or both;
To call this law a gross assault on freedo
So simply saying something (even if true) that would excite racial hatred is grounds for a max 7 year sentence. I'm sorry, but free speech in America is a pretty solid freedom.
You can form a group and advocate deporting all the jews or lobby for a law that would make it illegal for Asians to breed, and you would be protected. Not so in England.
btw.. does anyone know percisly what the grounds for arrest were? i.e. do the police over there have to stipulate the percise speech? Or can they give general notice that the blog is the offending publication, and that suffices?
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: johnm214]
#7879856 - 01/14/08 06:59 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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johnm214 said:
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Rectul Threat said: If you think it's just in england you are tripping
Here's one in your own back yard m8
http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2006/10/jake-brahm-how-to-screw-up-your-life.html
are you joking?
In america, that guy said bombs were set to blow up stadiums full of people...
In UK, the law is this:
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18 (1) A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if—
(a) he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or
(b) having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.
27 (3) A person guilty of an offence under this Part is liable— (a) on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years or a fine or both;
To call this law a gross assault on freedo
So simply saying something (even if true) that would excite racial hatred is grounds for a max 7 year sentence. I'm sorry, but free speech in America is a pretty solid freedom.
You can form a group and advocate deporting all the jews or lobby for a law that would make it illegal for Asians to breed, and you would be protected. Not so in England.
btw.. does anyone know percisly what the grounds for arrest were? i.e. do the police over there have to stipulate the percise speech? Or can they give general notice that the blog is the offending publication, and that suffices?
The law is generally only used in extreme cases, for example when the muslims protested the cartoon. Even then they only arrested a few of them. I doubt very much that the guy will get anything more then a fine.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: Rectul Threat]
#7879905 - 01/14/08 07:06 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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LOL i just read the 'article'. He hasn't even been arrested yet and the police are 'threatning' him with arrest. Sounds like a complete wind up to me. I live in the town that this is taking place btw.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: Rectul Threat]
#7880042 - 01/14/08 07:31 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Rectul Threat said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
Help me out. Where in the magna carta does it guarantee citizens the right to free speech (which includes hate speech)?
Im not disagreeing with you, I just dont see it.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: DieCommie]
#7880288 - 01/14/08 08:18 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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A better question is why is he citing the magna carta? From everything I've read, its mostly rubbish nowadays
I believe there's only a few clauses that are still regarded as binding upon the government, and these deal w/ criminal procedure, not civil rights
And I don't recall that the magna carta ever guarenteed freedom of speech, and its lacking in England was one motivation for the 1st amendment to the US Const.
For some criticism of UK by the UN, here:
http://www.humanrightsblog.org/reports/archives/005363.html
But the biggest problem is the slander/libel laws, which are bullshit. And the fact that the crown can enforce these laws for private parties is more nonsense.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: Rectul Threat]
#7880320 - 01/14/08 08:29 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Rectul Threat said: LOL i just read the 'article'. He hasn't even been arrested yet and the police are 'threatning' him with arrest. Sounds like a complete wind up to me. I live in the town that this is taking place btw.
well, the threat is that they have said they will arrest him, so its more of a promise
here's the email the blogger got, according to his attorney:
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QUOTE FROM IAN HOLDEN, BEDFORDSHIRE POLICE
The offence that I need to arrest you for is “Stir up Racial Hatred by displaying written material” contrary to sections 18(1) and 27(3) of the Public Order Act 1986.
You will be arrested on SUSPICION of the offence. You would only be charged following a full investigation based on all the relevant facts and CPS consent.
Paul I will see you on the 19/02/08 when I will tell you everything that you need to know. Due to being out of the office for six weeks I will not have access to my email as of tomorrow 04/01/08.
Ian
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I think its insane that they will arrest him prior to determing if charges need to be brought. I can't claim this is a UK deal, as they pull this shit all the time in the states too, but its still bullshit.
They do this to force a plea out of you, and make you pony up some bond money they can profit from. They also can break you easier in jail... people aren't so tough once they've been stripped down and given their orange jumpsuit.
Bullshit. Figure out if your going to charge the guy first, then arrest him.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: johnm214]
#7883927 - 01/15/08 03:15 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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How do you know it was his attorney that sent this email?
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: Rectul Threat]
#7884654 - 01/15/08 05:22 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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The blogger recieved the email, the attorney apparently made it public.
As to whether or not its authentic, I don't know. I'm taking this guy at his word, so it could be a lie.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: GazzBut]
#7886418 - 01/15/08 10:35 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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we have a different kind of lame lawsuit problem.
admittedly, there are things that each of us could borrow from each other to improve both of our lots.
your libel laws are pretty fucking ridiculous. aside from the very relevant point that sir trips makes, the burden of proof is flipped between your country and ours.
there's a reason why the Church of Scientology uses the UK as it's base of operations for global libel suits to silence it's critics.
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Re: Flaming gets you up to 7 years in merry old England [Re: xFrockx]
#7887444 - 01/16/08 07:19 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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xFrockx said: What about the ones who upheld them? Was Winston Churchill an asshole?
Just trying to get you to see how dumb your generalization is, thats all. Once you realize that my work here is done
No, he was a racist cunt that treated the Iraqi's/Iranians worse than any successive western government, and was one of the people responsible for the trouble in the middle east to this very day.
And his grave is but a quarter of an hour's bike ride from here. I should piss on it.
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