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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: ]
    #784724 - 07/29/02 06:57 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: World Spirit]
    #784729 - 07/29/02 07:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

An anti-nausea medication (like Dramamine). It is a generic so I don't know a brand name.


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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: internetraver]
    #784749 - 07/29/02 07:08 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

After all, EVIL backwards is LIVE.

And GOOD backwards is DOOG. What is your point?


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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: Swami]
    #784755 - 07/29/02 07:11 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

DOG backwards is GOD.


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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: ]
    #784756 - 07/29/02 07:12 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, but BOB backwards is still plain ole BOB. And Swami backwards is "I'm a ws." - hey, that can't be right!


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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: Swami]
    #784767 - 07/29/02 07:16 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: ]
    #784779 - 07/29/02 07:20 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Read 'Hostage to the Devil: The Possession and Exorcism of Five Living Americans' by Malachi Martin. This is the book that the film 'The exorcist' was based upon. This book changed my notion of evil from the Privatio Boni (absence of goodness) notion, to one of an active infernal intelligence that moves in space-time. One of the possessed speaks of an infernal hierarchy that is more detailed than a medieval grimoire. At the end of the book is the Roman catholic Rite of Exorcism that must be approved by the Vatican before its implementation. I'm telling you, Satan, Shaitan, Mara, Maat, Pezuzu...you name the culture...there is a recognition that evil exists, is alive and intentional, and is the enemy of human beings.


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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: ]
    #784830 - 07/29/02 07:40 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

At its best, the "devil" is a cleaver metaphorical entity that sybolizes and helps to explain several aspects of the human psyche that are difficult for a normal, "innocent" human to understand. At its worst, it is used as an excuse for selfishness, narssistic behavior, and sociopathy.

For instance, as society transitions from religion to science, the things that we used to blame on the devil are being blamed on genes. Research has supposedly been done on the "smoking gene", the "alcoholism gene", and the "homosexuality gene". (as a biochemist, i find it hard to believe that credible scientists have even studied such absurd claims, but thats what i see on the nightly news). Psychology has somehow been left in the proverbial dust. I guess people just dont want to believe that they are in control of these urges.


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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: Catalysis]
    #784951 - 07/29/02 08:35 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"(as a biochemist, i find it hard to believe that credible scientists have even studied such absurd claims, but thats what i see on the nightly news)."

Ever hear of grant money?

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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: ]
    #784977 - 07/29/02 08:47 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

LOL, now i know where the government got money to study the use of amphetamines for mind control.


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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: Droz]
    #785732 - 07/30/02 08:37 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Do other animals experience evil? Something we may never know.

I think we already know. "Evil" is a word created by humans to describe a concept that is also created by humans. "Good" and "Evil" are only linguistic tags human beings (and humans only) place upon each other in order to JUDGE. Just 100% subjective descriptors. My friend's pastor might say "drugs are evil," while my friend might say "Man, your skateboard is EVIL!"

All evil is is what any indivudual human decides is "evil". Other animals aren't evolved to the point where they can waste time debating the meaning of subjective labels.

The traditional definition of evil (malicious, wicked, cruel, etc.) is just something made up by humans. "Evil" cannot motivate any being; "evil" is just how the being's actions are described. Motivations for "evil acts" can be anything (greed, instinct, security) A wolf that runs off with a baby is not evil. We don't know why it did that. Humans will of course make their judgement and call it evil because it caused harm. The animal would not understand this. It was just hungry. Humans might describe Satan as "pure evil." Evil cannot exist without motivations driving the decidedly evil behavior. That is why the idea of some "supremely evil" being is utter bullshit to me. Does the devil wake up every morning and go "Ok, what should I be evil about today? Should I push an old lady down the stairs, kill some dolphins? hmmm." It's all BS. Evil is just a word made for judging others.



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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #785842 - 07/30/02 09:29 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

So... evil only exists within the realm of human judgement of human relations (other organisms - microbes, grizzly bears are not evil no matter how much damage they do to humans). Do you deny that within human relations there are any actions that we can judge as evil? Would you judge the actions of Hitler, Stalin or Jeffrey Dahlmer (sp) as evil or do you contend even these cannot be judged?


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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: ]
    #785883 - 07/30/02 09:50 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

NOW LIVE backwards is EVIL WON !! shit!


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Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
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"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: ]
    #785986 - 07/30/02 11:00 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Of course we could judge those actions to be evil. But say some animal eats all of this other animal and they become extinct. Would that be evil? So i agree with CyberChump. Words like evil used to describe certain acts are just words. Evil isn't it?


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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #786017 - 07/30/02 11:19 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Woah... that is actually pretty trippy.


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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: ]
    #786046 - 07/30/02 11:30 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

So... evil only exists within the realm of human judgement of human relations (other organisms - microbes, grizzly bears are not evil no matter how much damage they do to humans). Do you deny that within human relations there are any actions that we can judge as evil?

Absolutely. You can judge anything you want as evil. You can say the guy in the red Trans Am is evil because he's cutting everyone off. That's my point; that "evil" is only ever one person's judgement. Nobody or thing is just bad for the sake of being bad, but the word evil is supposed to describe such a thing.

Would you judge the actions of Hitler, Stalin or Jeffrey Dahlmer (sp) as evil or do you contend even these cannot be judged?

Sure they can be judged. But that is different than understanding their motivations. Hitler is described as evil, but he's only evil if there is someone there to judge him based on his actions. His destrictive actions were a result of his own twisted beliefs, not any inherent generic "badness."

In other words, people don't do bad things because they're evil, they're "evil" because they do bad things.


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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #786774 - 07/30/02 06:22 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

There's good and bad things about America. There's good and bad things about everything. We are unfortunate (or maybe fortunate) to be at that crossroads were we have to prove to everyone on this earth that WE are good. It's up to America and her allies to do that. I believe in Satan. I don't really think he (or she) is ALL that bad. We must figure THAT out too (unfortunately). That ain't gonna' be easy. America represents Satan right now to many people. We need to do something about that. Freedom, Democracy and all that is good, but we must show compassion for the downtrodden peoples of the earth cuz' they don't like our attitudes "livin' it up" so much
as we have. Freedom --it ain't cheap! America needs a new moral majority to cover our asses (and everyone elses perhaps). If there is a Satan, it's working overtime on the American people --to keep them complacent in this time of dire need for action. It's happening, but a bit too slow I'm afraid. My own contribution is to practice anti-consumptionism --except for beer and pot and mushrooms.


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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: ]
    #787854 - 07/31/02 09:25 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

As I've said before in posts, I am an empath (that is I feel the feelings of others). I also pick up or sense "forces" both man-made and natural. Some "forces" have a form of "life" and consciousness. I sense and sometimes see these forces. I've seen demons, angels, "ghosts" and the like......

Maybe I'm just a wild kid with a crazy imagination, but I have friends who also confirm the things I sense or see. It is also very interesting that there have been times that I see a demon and instruct it to leave......suddenly a "problem" in everyday life, or an illness.....just "coincidentally" also goes away.

Also, I have never met Satan, but he did send me a message once through another demon. It hit me like a video tape that had been wired into my brain. In this "tape" Satan lampooned Christ on the cross and with a pout, asked why I was persecuting him.....then he laughed and the "tape" ended.


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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: ]
    #793044 - 08/02/02 06:37 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Where are the revolutionaries? Satan. You'd think it would raise SOMETHING. Nice post EVOLVING, by the way. Am I stating the obvious or just way off the mark? America is spearheading our descent into the abyss. Is this not the case? What do we have to look forward to? Other planets? Really? Tell me wise brave shroomerites. I have faith in you. Am I being arrogant to say that America has this position in history? Who is in control right now? This system is DOOMED!!! You know it. It must change. WE have the power goddammit!! If there IS a devil, it's in our hands motherfuckers!!!! Do something. Assasinating our "leaders" wouldn't be a bad place to start. There are better ways though. PLEASE, wake up and lead the human race to utopia. America has the power to move us in that direction. Paradise is in our grasp. So is extinction. So be it.


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Re: If you believe in the devil (or demons)... [Re: frogsheath]
    #793307 - 08/02/02 09:03 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

2 hours have past since I posted my urgent call and NO ONE has responded. WTF???? Are we that complacent? There is nothing really evil about the dominant government/culture on this earth then? It's just business as usual. O.K.. I'm just a freak. The system will work then, is that it? You really think so? No doubts? The world will simply give in to a capitalist/corporate system and everything will be o.k.? Then it must be God. I don't think so.
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