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List Your most Nutritious Foods
    #7834717 - 01/05/08 08:26 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

...and tell us why they are nutritious and healthy.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7834889 - 01/05/08 10:07 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

How does this thread have 1130 views only one hour after being posted???!!  :confused:

All intensely-colored veggies and fruits (antioxidants)
Quinoa (high-protein, low-glycemic-load)
Hemp seeds and oil (high-protein, essential fatty acids)
Flax seed meal and oil (essential fatty acids)
Green olives and cold-pressed olive oil (essential fatty acids)
Brown rice (high-fiber, low-glycemic-load)
Sprouted seeds, grains & beans (high-fiber, low-glycemic-load)
Tree Nuts (beneficial fats, protein, minerals)
Spirulina (protein, vitamins)
Avocados (beneficial fat, vitamins)
Garlic (anti-viral/bacterial, antioxidant)
Fresh herbs (many beneficial properties unique to each herb)


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Veritas]
    #7835011 - 01/05/08 10:49 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Well, it is very obviously quite a popular thread.

My favorite healthy foods are:
oatmeal for the fiber and low glycemic index
flax seed for the fiber and omega 3 content
hot peppers are a strong source of antioxidants and vitamin C


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7835139 - 01/05/08 11:26 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

oatmeal - cheap, great carbs.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7835144 - 01/05/08 11:28 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Hmmm...I think someone has been having fun with the "recycle page" button.  :lol:

Don't forget to grind your flax seeds.  The hull is insoluble fiber, so you will not get the Omega 3 benefits if you consume them whole.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Veritas]
    #7835216 - 01/05/08 11:53 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Beef: Delmonico Steak is probably the best- Protein, fats (both healthy saturated and monosaturated with some good omega ratios), cholesterol, micronutrients

Lamb: Leg of lamb preferrably with fat on- Same as above.

Then there's deer, pork, sardines, herring, salmon, chicken and turkey dark meat (with skin on), and almonds.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7835588 - 01/05/08 01:23 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Pumpkin seeds

Millet

Quinoa

Vegetables especially deep green and the grasses (wheat, barley etc).

Spirulina

Fruits with skins and seeds

(Fermented only) soy products

Flax (must be ground)

Olives

seeds (sprouted)


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Veritas]
    #7836064 - 01/05/08 03:24 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

I consume the flax meal...pre ground and frozen.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7836402 - 01/05/08 04:41 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

hot dogs


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: TODAY]
    #7836665 - 01/05/08 05:55 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Organic though, right?

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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7836768 - 01/05/08 06:20 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Since when is saturated fat & cholesterol considered nutritious?  :lol:


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Veritas]
    #7837184 - 01/05/08 08:37 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Some of my faves are

black beans - protein? i dont know what else
raisin bran - fiber + added vitamins
brown rice - fiber and low gi


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: freddurgan]
    #7837208 - 01/05/08 08:45 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Thats a good list BUT for the raisin bran. All processed cereals have been ground up. In the stomach they quickly dissolve and convert to sugar spiking the blood sugar. The fact that bran has fiber does not negate this effect. The processing renders perfectly good grains into junk. The only breakfast cereal I consume is steel cut and rolled oat oatmeal. Whole, unprocessed foods tend to be healthier. Processing introduces chemicals and unnaturally occurring food states. Black beans are definitely top notch and I eat a lot of them.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Veritas]
    #7837284 - 01/05/08 09:15 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Saturated fat and dietary cholesterol are actually very good for you.

Low-fat diets are very unhealthy.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7837517 - 01/05/08 10:16 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Where's your research?

Mono- and poly-unsaturated fats are good for you. A diet which includes little or no beneficial fat is unhealthy. Saturated fat and dietary cholesterol have no nutritional benefits.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Veritas]
    #7837666 - 01/05/08 10:53 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)



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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7838072 - 01/06/08 02:01 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

my girlfriend turned vegan, and i've decided to eat healthier, been eating a lot of veggies, fruits, hempseed, organic products, etc... basically been introduced into a new way of life by researching and visiting organic food stores, etc.

i decided to drink organic milk which i've heard milk is bad for you. still eat a lot of cheese too. i can't give up milk/cheese.

haven't had meat or fish since this started. i plan to keep eating it though, i'm just grossed out cause my girl was reading the book "skinny bitch" to me. don't ever read this book! it will ruin food for you.

i've read soy is bad for you in large amounts (also read the opposite), so i refuse to drink soy milk or eat soy products (it's in pretty much everything that is processed these days), except for tofu which i just tried today. it was alright.

really anyone you talk to will tell you something different on what is healthy. i try to eat a balanced diet, while still enjoying what i eat.

anyone got opinions on if milk/meat is good or bad for you?


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7838436 - 01/06/08 08:12 AM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Extreme low fat diets are NOT healthy. Small amounts of fat are required for your health. This includes saturated fats, but there is a caveat here. A healthy human should take no more than 20% (give or take 5%) fat in their diet. Only about 10% of this should be saturated, and NONE of the saturated fats should be hydrogenated. An example of a healthy saturated fat is coconut oil, but even that should only be a very small fraction of your diet. A large portion of your dietary fat should be Omega 3 fats.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: usg543]
    #7838437 - 01/06/08 08:14 AM (16 years, 26 days ago)

My opinion is that skim milk is a good protein source, but there is always a question about environmental toxins where milk is concerned.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7838494 - 01/06/08 08:57 AM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Tonight I'm making a cream of mushroom salmon over green beans, and a mixed mushroom and asparagus stir-fry. :thumbup:


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7838560 - 01/06/08 09:37 AM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Article 1 references are to studies regarding consumption of Omega 3 vs. low-fat diets. Fish is the only animal product which provides a beneficial proportion of Omega 3 to Omega 6.

Article 2 references are to studies regarding consumption of coconut oil, which provides saturated fat in the form of Lauric acid (the same type of saturated fat as human milk). This is simply not comparable to saturated fat from animals, and so this study does not support your assertions.

Article 3 references are to studies regarding levels of blood serum cholesterol, not regarding consumption of animal fats. Again, this does not support your assertions.

If you would like to view links to the ENORMOUS body of research which shows that consuming animal-source saturated fats is linked to premature death and serious illness, check out this thread:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6779751#6779751


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Veritas]
    #7838652 - 01/06/08 10:07 AM (16 years, 26 days ago)

One suggestion. That study you keep linking to is gone. There is only the first page available. I will agree to a large extent. Animal fat can be deadly...especially to people who are mostly sedentary.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7839334 - 01/06/08 01:15 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Which one? The Seventh Day Adventist study?

Edit: All the studies I've linked to in that thread still work for me.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Veritas]
    #7839625 - 01/06/08 02:06 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Never mind. It works. I am an idiot.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7839956 - 01/06/08 02:57 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Quinoa is the ideal grain, because it has all the essential amino acids (protien building blocks your body does not synthesize) and in the right proportions for a human body.
It tastes like crap though.
Here's how I cook it to make it rather good:
You just make quinoa pilaf. Sautee some small diced carrots, onions, and celery in some butter quickly over medium heat, then add the quinoa and stir until it's all coated. Let it cook on medium heat for about 10 minutes, stirring every minute. There should be no browning.
Then, add enough stock or broth (I prefer chicken stock) to Just cover the grain, and bring that to a simmer. Keep adding liquid until the grain is at the right consistency, then raise the heat and stir constantly to drive off the rest of the moisture.
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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Newbie]
    #7840026 - 01/06/08 03:09 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Right now i'm eating brocoli with a LITTLE butter and seasoned salt, as well as tuna with just a few drops of mayo...decent to me :cool:


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: imagine]
    #7840410 - 01/06/08 04:52 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

In my opinion, it is the carbohydrates that are deadly and should be strictly controlled. Not the animal fats.

I'll look up some more studies, but it'll take awhile. I don't keep that stuff on hand.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7840505 - 01/06/08 05:18 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

It depends on the type of carbohydrate. Look up "glycemic index"


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: some1whoisntme]
    #7840516 - 01/06/08 05:21 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

I know of the GI. Still, most carbohydrates are useless and offer no nutritive value. I'd like to learn more about endurance and muscle building before I totally dismiss them (save for veggies), but so far I see absolutely no benefit for the average person.

Here's another fat thing:

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7840551 - 01/06/08 05:29 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Fruits and grains have been part of the human diet for a very long time in many cultures... Your brain and muscles run on glucose. I guess I don't understand why you don't think carbohydrates are neccessary...


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: some1whoisntme]
    #7840593 - 01/06/08 05:39 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Your brain can run on glucose on its own without outside help (a tithe system that takes a few grams of protein). Otherwise it runs partially on ketones which I find to be much better. I feel way more focused, stable, and smart on them.

Grains haven't been part of our diets for very long at all on the human timeline and aren't necessary at all.

Fruits where also much less common and weren't bred to have as much sugar as they do in the modern day.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: some1whoisntme]
    #7840799 - 01/06/08 06:44 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

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Fruits and grains have been part of the human diet for a very long time in many cultures... Your brain and muscles run on glucose



You are very correct.

Dismissing carbs completely is stupid. Carbs such as sugar and processed cereals are useless, but all whole food carbs are essential. Apparently PyroBurns is not reading the articles that he is linking. They seem to counter the advice he offers.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7840971 - 01/06/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

I don't remember dismissing carbs completely. Veggies and certain fruit in moderate amounts are fine. Hell even modern fruit in small amounts, even though they've been modified so much.

I'll also admit that I'm not the best public speaker, so it can be easier to discredit my posts. However, it is the truth that diets high in fat are far superior to those that aren't. And saturated fat and dietary cholesterol are necessary. They do not harm your heart. Maybe they can have some negative effects in excess (I wouldn't know what, exactly), but what is the point of excess? Certainly not the amounts we have been given by health organizations (which say to use fats sparingly, and fill up on carbs).

And would they even be attainable? It's not easy eating a lot of bacon or drinking straight up heavy cream.


Read the book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes. There is a lot of information there about saturated fat, cholesterol, and studies done on them. Including studies on weight loss and fiber among other things.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7841013 - 01/06/08 07:41 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

raw meat, blood, seeds


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Newbie]
    #7841060 - 01/06/08 07:51 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Quinoa is super healthy -

"Quinoa was of great nutritional importance in pre-Columbian Andean civilizations, being secondary only to the potato, and followed in third place by maize. In contemporary times this crop has come to be highly appreciated for its nutritional value, as its protein content is very high (12%–18%). Unlike wheat or rice (which are low in lysine), quinoa contains a balanced set of essential amino acids for humans, making it an unusually complete food. This means it takes less quinoa protein to meet one's needs than wheat protein. It is a good source of dietary fiber and phosphorus and is high in magnesium and iron. Quinoa is gluten free and considered easy to digest." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinoa#Nutritional_value

and Hemp Seeds! -

"30–35% of the weight of hempseed is oil containing 80% essential fatty acids (EFAs), linoleic acid (LA, 50-70%), alpha-linolenic acid (ALA, 15–25%) and Gamma-Linolenic_acid (GLA, 1–6%).[5][6] The proportions of linoleic acid and alpha-linolenic acid in hempseed oil meet human requirements for EFAs..... Hemp seed also contains 20% complete and highly-digestible protein,[8] 1/3 as edestin protein and 2/3 as albumins. Its high quality amino acid composition is closer to "complete" sources of proteins (meat, milk, eggs) than all other oil seeds except quinoa and soy.[9]

The ALA contained in plant seed oils by itself is sufficient for nutrition, as the human body is capable of converting it into other fatty acids. But this conversion process is inefficient, and the broader spectrum of omega-3 fatty acids obtained from oily fish is easier for the body to immediately use. See Oily fish#Oils from fish or plants as a source of omega-3 fatty acids."


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7841152 - 01/06/08 08:12 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

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However, it is the truth that diets high in fat are far superior to those that aren't. And saturated fat and dietary cholesterol are necessary.




You have not supported this assertion in the slightest.  Moderate amounts of plant-sourced essential fatty acids are necessary and important for optimal health.  Complex carbohydrates are essential, as are plant-sourced proteins.  The truth is, you are way off the mark here.

I highly recommend reading something that is not endorsed by the Weston A. Price Foundation.  Founded by a dentist, the foundation has an abysmal reputation amongst those who actually study nutrition.  The references they use to support their articles do not, in fact, support their claims.  If you take the time to follow up on the many citations which they list, the research has little or nothing to do with what they are asserting.

And now, back to our regularly-scheduled list of most-nutritious foods!  :wink:


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Veritas]
    #7841173 - 01/06/08 08:18 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Most medical resources regard ketosis as a physiological state associated with chronic starvation.[citation needed] Glucose is regarded as the preferred energy source for all cells in the body with ketosis being regarded as a crisis reaction of the body to a lack of carbohydrates in the diet. In recent years this viewpoint, both the body's preference for glucose and the dangers associated with ketosis, has been challenged by some doctors.[7][8][9]



Note which statement is supported by citations and which isn't in the paragraph above... there may be something to this, though I don't believe consuming carbohydrates is harmful.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: some1whoisntme]
    #7841215 - 01/06/08 08:25 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Complex carbs are essential? I'd like to see that backed up.

Again I'll pitch the Good Calories, Bad Calories book simply because it has the best amount of cited research. I don't really know where you're going with the Weston A. Price thing.

The whole ketosis thing is guilt by association. Just because aspects of ketosis use the same pathways as starvation doesn't mean it has anything to do with it. And the fact that the brain will run preferrably off of glucose is because it is more present, not because it is better. Which I guess it can be for some people, but many prefer to be in ketosis.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7841314 - 01/06/08 08:46 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Read the links in the thread I've already linked to here.  Complex carbs are whole grains, veggies & fruits.  The fiber, vitamins, minerals, antioxidants & slow-acting carbohydrates provided by these foods are essential to human health.  Diets which include a high proportion of complex carbs have been shown to significantly reduce the incidence of cancer, heart disease, and diabetes.

The author of "Good Calories, Bad Calories" claims that refined carbs are unhealthy, not that complex carbs should be avoided.  I agree 100% with the link between high consumption of refined carbs (white flour and sugar) and poor health.  You don't seem to understand the studies you are referencing to support your assertions.  :shrug:


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Veritas]
    #7841504 - 01/06/08 09:32 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

No, I do. I still assert that most carbohydrates are still useless.

Why eat quinoa if I can get better nutrition from a slab of steak (and maybe a veggie to make up for any micronutrient I missed)? Millet? Whole wheat?

Complex carbs are THE carbs you should be eating, but why eat them at all (targeting mainly whole grains and more sugar filled veggies here)?

If people can do perfectly fine on meats, nuts, veggies, and limited fruit why implement grains? They aren't very nutritionally dense and I'd like to see studies showing benefit when introduced rather than merely replacing other carbs.

It's extremely obvious that refined carbs are a problem, but less people see that less refined carbs are also worthless save for some veggies and fruits. Taubes also discusses this.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7842306 - 01/07/08 05:03 AM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Oh yeah, sweet potatoes are a favorite. Either raw or cooked with nothing on them.


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    #7843558 - 01/07/08 01:27 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Never mind. It works. I am an idiot.




Only in relation to myself and Veritas. Don't be so hard on yourself.:heart:


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    #7843562 - 01/07/08 01:28 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

with nothing on them.

You nasty boy.:doggystyle:


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7843753 - 01/07/08 02:20 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)





Here is a photo comparison of two 650 calorie meals from my nutrition.... thing (fitday pay version).

The quinoa meal is a cup of quinoa.

The steak meal is an 8 ounce sirloin steak with fat, and steamed spinach.

Notice how the only part where quinoa wins is in the maganese and magnesium departments. In other departments it is absolutely blown away.

Especially thanks to the fact that quinoa offers little to no fat and cholesterol (which are very beneficial.) though it does offer some polyunsaturated fats (which I would like to know the omega ratio on. Even though meat is VERY good at regulating that. especially truly organic meat).

The quinoa also has 110 grams of carbohydrates which, even though it is a complex carb, could put strain on the pancrease and will most likely release at least some kind of insulin response.

Also note which meal is more filling. I've had a cup of quinoa before, and simply wanted another cup afterwards. It really isn't that much at all. But the steak dinner is a whole 8 ounce steak with a cup of steamed spinach. Since cutting out carbohydrates (save for veggies) I've been satiated so much more easily. An 8 ounce steak and cup of veggies would either leave me full for a VERY long time, or make me decide to cut it into two meals which I usually do.


It just dawned on me, veritas, that you are probably a vegetarian. Which is fine, but I doubt that I'd be able to win you over. Even though I know that the link to animal products and cancer/heart disease is an entirely false one (based on reading, research, talking to people, and life experience). Good Calories, Bad Calories also mentions that with plenty of sources. It's not just a book about "bad carbs".


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7843774 - 01/07/08 02:27 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Whatever.  Feel free to choose your own diet as you please.  If you are so certain that your non-scientific sources are correct, then your own health will be the experiment. :shrug:


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Veritas]
    #7843914 - 01/07/08 02:55 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

I have plenty of sources. Just not on hand. Then again, that book that I like to tote has over 100 pages of sources.

So far I haven't seen anything convincing about animal fat, at all.

My health HAS been an experiment. So far I've dropped down to 10% bodyfat, have energy through the roof, better focus, better skin, better hair, better sleep, better sex drive, better moods, no fatigue, and great bloodwork. 100/60 blood pressure, low triglycerides, and all nutrients in check. I need to get my cholesterol checked again (I had it not long enough after diet switch), but I'm sure it's in order. All of these results are common in people who stick to low-carb diets for more than two weeks.

The massai, inuits, and buffalo hunting Indians are also good examples.


EDIT: DAMN! I forgot to mention that I was on a low GI high carb diet for 6 MONTHS beforehand and felt like shit the whole time. I ate plenty of lean meats, whole grain bread, oats, whole wheat pasta, supplemented omega 3's, and ate my veggies.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7844075 - 01/07/08 03:25 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

If you are good at digesting meat then go ahead and do so. Unlike yourself, most folks eat meat to the point that it severely slows the bowls. This is where the disease starts. I have been eating a very vegetarian diet lately, but last night I ate three chicken breasts in one meal. The trick is to get plenty of fiber. I took some psyllum husks about 20 min after finishing. The ease of digestion was also aided by proper food combining. Don't mix starches and meats. Each is digested a different way and these differences lead to them interfering one another.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7844309 - 01/07/08 04:05 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

I did a low carb diet once for about 6 months. I got to where I only needed to take a shit about every 10 days. At the time I thought that it was a benefit...


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    #7844326 - 01/07/08 04:11 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Did you get plenty of fats? Did you eat your veggies?


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7844471 - 01/07/08 04:45 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Yes. I ate meat and leafy vegetables. I did lose a little weight (50 pounds), but in the end the diet became bland to me. I have found a good macro nutrient ratio to be 20% fat, 35% protein, and 45% carbs, with all of the carbs as complex carbs. I consume very little sugar and processed grains. I do eat unprocessed cereals, but I do not eat any processed meats. I eat a total of 2600 calories per day. On this diet (with exercise) I have lost about 150 lbs.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7844536 - 01/07/08 05:00 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Whoa! Good job!

Though I can never understand how people can get tired of low carb food. IMO we have a better. Oh well, as long as you found something that works and are sure that you are doing well.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7844613 - 01/07/08 05:17 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

I would recommend low carb for someone wanting to lose a chunk of weight quick, but it does top out quickly. Weirdly enough I would recommend a vegan diet for someone wanting to shed pounds quick as well. I spent 3 weeks as a vegan last summer, under Icelander's full direction (he even cooked the food), and I dropped 15 pounds in about 10 days without watching calories.


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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7846612 - 01/08/08 12:32 AM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Hemp seed and fruit.

I could live quite healthily on those things alone, with water of course. Although variety is important.


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    #7945850 - 01/28/08 03:36 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I've been eating mostly vegan, other than 98% lean whole turkey breast slices (like ten slices or so) and in the past four days I've felt a whole lot more...energetic.

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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: justamonkey]
    #7949820 - 01/29/08 10:09 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

A good small piece of wild or organic meat is perfectly healthy and I think it's ridiculous to assert that it isn't. The issue is how much and what else you're eating.

My ideal list of food items includes:

Venison - wild meat tends to be lean and relatively chemical free
wild salmon - omega fatty acids
wild berries (salmon, salal, saskatoon, huckle, thimble, etc.)- yum.
quinoa
hemp seeds
sunflower seeds
kale
tomatoes
goat cheese (in small quantities)
apple cider vinegar
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    #7949830 - 01/29/08 10:16 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Juiced apples, carrots, celery, and kale blended with a few tablespoons of spirulina.


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    #7955416 - 01/30/08 12:50 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I dont believe most of the people who eat non-organic, factory raised meat and love it, would make an animal endure through what happens during the FIRST VIDEO. Honestly speaking, thats beyond what i expected.....:sad:
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hello fellows.

Alot of people know that animals are treated quite badly when they are being slaughtered for eating. And some do not.

If you do not eat Organic Free-run meats. You will want to take a look at this video from you tube showing the methods that they use to grow the animals for meat. To grow things that feel pain like me and you.

If you do not eat organic chiken, pigs and beef, you are putting your health at a serious disadvantage, in these videos you will be given reasons why, but also shows the way the meat you eat, is raised.

I also acknowledge that good and bad, only exist in the persons mind to choose. I have not come here and tried to scare anyone, i am not here to scream you are evil if you eat meat.

I DO WANT TO KNOW WHAT MAKES YOU DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WILL KEEP EATING INORGANIC MEAT, AFTER WATCHING THE VIDEOS.


I came here to show you to know that you have been kept in the dark, about what has been happening...they simply have and cannot show people how they do this to the animals because they would loose millions in profits.

Observe that you play the most important part in the process, because without people like me(just today i stopped and you to buy the meat from the people who own these factorie farms, there would be no profits and no reason to do this.

I know some people do not care about the animals, in the way they would care about a human and if you dont, be true and watch the videos, see how you feel after watching them and prove it. I know many who have said they dont care, but after watching one of them, they realized that they did care, they just didnt know specifically what they didnt care for.

All videos are no longer than 2-3 mins. If at all, and there is a prime example of an organic farm for the final video.

Pigs Warehouse Farms

Organic Farm Animals live a life where they roam on in outdoors and at the very worst(publically traded corporate organic companies) are in a warehouse with no roof lots of sunlight and loving contact with other animals, where conditions in the worst oganic warehouses are much more hygenic(ie..the animals dont eat each others shit and are tended to if they have broken legs, for example.  The actualy organic farms, that encompass most organic meats are like the one mentioned in the last video.



This video is a short clip showing how some of the pigs that you eat after, are killed.
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This is the conditions they spend 3-5 years alive.

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Chicken Warehouse Farms.
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Cow Warehouse Farms

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The dairy cows are exactly the same!



There is hope!!!!!




Those happy pictures of animals, are from real farms who are loosing popularity and money to stay practicing these types of practices!


Organic Animal farming!



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Re: List Your most Nutritious Foods [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7955915 - 01/30/08 02:41 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

dandellion's are a good source of nutrition.

I had a fresh picked dandellion and tuna salad for breakfast.

to prepare:
bring a pot of water to a boil, toss is some dandellion leaves, boil for 3-5 minutes and then taste a leaf to see if the bitterness is gone, if not, boil a little long. don't exceed about 6 or 7 minutes because it'll start turning to a mush. strain, add some tuna, green olives, salt and pepper, a few squirts of lemon juice, then top it with some dandellion flowers.

--lots of vitamins and antioxidants, cleans out your liver and blood system, does some good work on your glands and such


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