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Invisiblethedefone
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When to add gypsum.
    #7832918 - 01/04/08 06:08 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

After pasteurization? Seems like it would relieve clumping better if added afterwards. Opinions?


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InvisibleCaptain Cubensis
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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: thedefone]
    #7832989 - 01/04/08 06:28 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Anything added after, would not be as clean.

My foaf breaks his down in water, prior to adding to coir/verm.

Then the water saturated with gypsum is slowly added, mixing as you go.


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7833057 - 01/04/08 06:47 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

I should add that I'm using the pillowcase method. Will the water leach it out, or anything similar?


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7833125 - 01/04/08 07:09 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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Captain Cubensis said:
Anything added after, would not be as clean.

My foaf breaks his down in water, prior to adding to coir/verm.

Then the water saturated with gypsum is slowly added, mixing as you go.





yea my gypsum is in bead form so thats what i do. but if you have gypsum in powder form its recommended that you add to your dry ingreidents before you add the water.


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: blood4blood]
    #7833146 - 01/04/08 07:13 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

I have powder. So, add to the bulk and then pasteurize the whole thing in water? That's what Ive been doing, and after you get the bulk back to field after being soaked, it's okay. I am just wondering out loud, you know.


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: thedefone]
    #7833169 - 01/04/08 07:17 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

so your adding it to your sub? whats your sub?


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: blood4blood]
    #7833172 - 01/04/08 07:18 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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blood4blood said:
Quote:

Captain Cubensis said:
Anything added after, would not be as clean.

My foaf breaks his down in water, prior to adding to coir/verm.

Then the water saturated with gypsum is slowly added, mixing as you go.





yea my gypsum is in bead form so thats what i do. but if you have gypsum in powder form its recommended that you add to your dry ingredients before you add the water.




Yeah, I know, that's what all the experts say, mix the gypsum in dry.

But seriously folks, does a cookie know if you added the water before the oil, or before the egg, or the sugar?

I think that's one of those anal retentive things that becomes a dogmatic law of sorts.

I think the two main goals of any 50/40/10 sub mix, is even distribution of the coir, verm, and gypsum as well as proper moisture content.

The order the ingredients were added does not effect these goals whatsoever in my opinion.


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Invisibleblood4blood
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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7833180 - 01/04/08 07:20 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

the reason for adding the gypsum to your dry ingriendents first is to aid in even distrbution of the gypsum and to prevent the gypsum from clumpimg. thats just common sense


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: blood4blood]
    #7833205 - 01/04/08 07:25 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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60/40/10 sub mix



Nice math. :wink: Anyway, it may matter.  You don't add the noodles to the soup after you're done boiling... 

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the reason for adding the gypsum to your dry ingriendents first is to aid in even distrbution of the gypsum and to prevent the gypsum from clumpimg. thats just common sense



That makes sense.


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: thedefone]
    #7833242 - 01/04/08 07:30 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

If it clumps, you have an issue, if it doesn't you don't.

Pelleted gypsum will break up into a frothy thick water with only very minimal clumping per quart jar.

What does the dry gypsum do when you add the water? Clump?

If you stir well, then pour, you get a nice even blanket of gypsum water across the top of your 50/40, no clumping to speak of.

You can mix well to avoid clumping as well.

Plus, what would the myc do if it came across a clump of it's favorite food?


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7833259 - 01/04/08 07:34 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

i wanna make sure i got the right stuff mines palletized and its light grey also smells gross right stuff?


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7833276 - 01/04/08 07:37 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

i highly doubt gypsum is myceliums favorite food.

the op already stated that he has powered gypsum. so if its easier to add the gypsum to dry ingriedents why not do it?

he's not asking about pelleted. if he had pelleted gypsum yea id add that to water then add it to my dry's


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: milkman]
    #7833284 - 01/04/08 07:39 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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milkman said:
i wanna make sure i got the right stuff mines palletized and its light grey also smells gross right stuff?




Soak in water in a quart jar then slowing pour off the binder. Mix well, and don't pour it in till its 100% broken up.


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: milkman]
    #7833287 - 01/04/08 07:39 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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milkman said:
i wanna make sure i got the right stuff mines palletized and its light grey also smells gross right stuff?




does it say "garden gypsum" anywhere? for loosining soils?


if so your golden!


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: blood4blood]
    #7833292 - 01/04/08 07:42 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Calcium Sulfate is Calcium Sulfate, and while it's not mycs favorite food, he does eat calcium sulfate.

In fact Calcium and Sulfur are the two nutrients myc loves, but rye berries are poor in, which makes gypsum a perfect dietary supplement.


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: blood4blood]
    #7833303 - 01/04/08 07:45 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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i highly doubt gypsum is myceliums favorite food.



I think he means a clump of sub not broken up, not gypsum. But what would it do? Maybe not colonize it as well because it's too dense?


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: thedefone]
    #7833370 - 01/04/08 08:09 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

i'd highly recomend an oven bag instead pillow case. mix up your dry ingredients add water to field capacity dump it into an oven bag twist off, rubberband and use it just like a pillowcase. accept you don't leach nutrients into the water and you don't have to let it hang to drain off excess water.


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: xhooliganx]
    #7833399 - 01/04/08 08:16 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

I have had poor, poor luck with the oven bags, so I moved on to paint strainers. I understand the obvious advantage of not leeching nutrients (that's kind of the issue with this post), but the time to reach temp is much shorter, and it hasn't disastered on me yet. Anyway, I am just biding my time until I come across a way to do even larger batches cheaply, and in my tiny apartment.


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: thedefone]
    #7833418 - 01/04/08 08:20 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

are you guys talking about past. in oven bags and pillow cases?

maybe im way behind i still do mine in jars.


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: blood4blood]
    #7833423 - 01/04/08 08:21 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

I should do mine in jars, but don't.


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: blood4blood]
    #7833429 - 01/04/08 08:22 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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blood4blood said:
are you guys talking about past. in oven bags and pillow cases?

maybe I'm way behind i still do mine in jars.




Jars in the PC is the way to go, just don't let them fall under 140 or go above 170 for about an hour.


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: thedefone]
    #7833437 - 01/04/08 08:24 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

my hands get sore as fuck and it can be time consuming but its all part of the process


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: blood4blood]
    #7834438 - 01/05/08 03:13 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

I do my casing material in jars, but prefer to use oven bags for bulk substrate. I would hate to have to pasturize 20 quart jars of poo for just one tray. that would suck so hard.


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7834512 - 01/05/08 05:05 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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Captain Cubensis said:
Calcium Sulfate is Calcium Sulfate, and while it's not mycs favorite food, he does eat calcium sulfate.

In fact Calcium and Sulfur are the two nutrients myc loves, but rye berries are poor in, which makes gypsum a perfect dietary supplement.




Calcium Sulphate is not Calcium Sulphate. There are three kinds of Calcium Sulphate, dehydrated, hemihydrated and dihydrated. Gypsum is dihydrated Calcium Suplhate, Plaster of paris is the hemihydrated form and Drierite is the dehydrated form of the same chemical.

Use gypsum, and you will be fine, use any of the other two forms and you risk ending up with a solid brick of substrate.


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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: Nibin]
    #7834757 - 01/05/08 08:58 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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But seriously folks, does a cookie know if you added the water before the oil, or before the egg, or the sugar?

I think that's one of those anal retentive things that becomes a dogmatic law of sorts.

I think the two main goals of any 50/40/10 sub mix, is even distribution of the coir, verm, and gypsum as well as proper moisture content.

The order the ingredients were added does not effect these goals whatsoever in my opinion.





Try baking a cake by mixing the flour in after you've added the wet ingredients and see what happens. It won't look like, taste like, or even BE a cake.

The reason for mixing the dry ingredients together first, is because dry ingredients WILL mix together. Wet ingredients will clump and bond to each other, and not mix properly. It ain't dogma, it's common sense.
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Re: When to add gypsum. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7834852 - 01/05/08 09:51 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

LOL, owned. Doesn't seem like he's really learning anything though, he just seems to keep up with the same antics.


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