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shitty fruits
    #7831386 - 01/04/08 10:03 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

my casings have been turning up real shity with like a gram or 2 in each. i think its because the humidity is too low.

any suggestions?


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: shroomcs]
    #7831391 - 01/04/08 10:05 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

More info would be a good start...;)


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: shroomcs]
    #7831521 - 01/04/08 10:45 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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shroomcs said:
my casings have been turning up real shity with like a gram or 2 in each. i think its because the humidity is too low.

any suggestions?




I think you just answered your own question, raise the humidity :grin:

Beyond that you may want to also make sure that your are providing sufficient FAE and lighting.


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: shroomcs]
    #7832341 - 01/04/08 03:28 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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shroomcs said:
my casings have been turning up real shity with like a gram or 2 in each. i think its because the humidity is too low.

any suggestions?




What was cased? Cakes? Grain? Bulk Sub?


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: Nibin]
    #7832903 - 01/04/08 06:01 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

rice and verm cakes


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: shroomcs]
    #7833059 - 01/04/08 06:48 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Still need info on your procedures, what you cased them with, humidity, FAE light etc

Small shrooms are usually the result of a dry susbtrate or low humidity.

Thats not alot of shrooms, was your casing layer kept moist (neer 100% humidity at the surface of the mycelium is essential for good pinning)

Also not that straight casing a crumbled pf tek will generaly produce the same if not less than a straight cake rolled in verm.


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7833654 - 01/04/08 09:16 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

i got things covered i put more water in the perlite to make it more hummid and im changing the lighting to 14/10.


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: shroomcs]
    #7834003 - 01/04/08 11:06 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

DUNK EM IN COLD WATER FOR 12 HOURS AND PUT BACK IN THE FRUITING CHAMBER


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: RoYaL_fLuSh]
    #7834522 - 01/05/08 05:17 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Sigh, here we go again

f you are going to crumble to hpoo, you are adding a nutritious substrate, and that is called spawning (the cakes are your spawn) to bulk substrate.

Casing is adding a non nutritious layer (be it 50/50 verm-peat or just verm). The casing doesn't add food to the mycelium just gives it humidity which helps it to fruit.

Quite a few people have compared the differences in fruiting between dunking and rolling the cakes in moist verm versus crumbling the cakes and casing them and hava found that there is very little if any extre yeild, and that by crumbling the cakes you:

a) risk more contams
b) take longer to get fruits because the mycelium has to repair the damage made by crumbling (if you dunk and roll your cakes, they can start fruiting immediately)
c) your mycelium wastes nutrients it could use to fruit because it has to use them to repair that damage.

On the other hand, crumbling to poo, enriched coir or another bulk substrate adds loads of new nutrients, and once the mycelium has colonized all that substrate it can make lots more fruits.

So, in conclusion, if you want the fruits as soon as possible, just dunk and roll and put the cakes in the fruiting chamber. If on the other hand you want a bigger yeild and feel confident that you can make bulk substrate without introducing contams, you could crumble the cakes to bulk, then case the bulk substrate and fruit.


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: Nibin]
    #7834958 - 01/05/08 10:32 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

dude casings like triple the yield


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: shroomcs]
    #7835084 - 01/05/08 11:12 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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dude casings like triple the yield





Sounds like your confusing casing a broken up cake, (which doesn't get you that many more mushrooms, because there isn't any added nutrition, just mass and water) with casing a tray of bulk sub you spawned with a broken up cake (which would give you many more mushrooms if done correctly). For a more detailed explaination, reread Nibin's post above.


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: simplemachine]
    #7835260 - 01/05/08 12:04 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

multi-spore inoculations frequently equal= SUCK. This has been my experience. They take so long to colonize and the different strains battle each other... equaling shitty fruits. :2cents:


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: shroomcs]
    #7838218 - 01/06/08 04:43 AM (16 years, 26 days ago)

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dude casings like triple the yield




Adding a casing layer but no nutrients will not increase your yield. At most it will be the same.

This is the kind of results you can get from a properly dunked and rolled cake:


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: Nibin]
    #7838808 - 01/06/08 10:48 AM (16 years, 26 days ago)

well right now my problem is getting my humidity up, i cant figure out the fucking problem


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: shroomcs]
    #7838867 - 01/06/08 11:07 AM (16 years, 26 days ago)

A shotgun terrarium with 3 inches of humid perlite will provide more than enough humidity. If your hygrometer reads otherhow it probably needs calibrating. Digi hygrometers are not much good over a certain RH in any case.

Few pins means your pinning triggers aren't good. Increase FAE, Light and humidity of substrate.


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: Nibin]
    #7838878 - 01/06/08 11:12 AM (16 years, 26 days ago)

i have a poor mans pod and its been working great for the last year but now all the sudden theres almost no humidity. the air pumps work fine, i just re dampened the perlite, and the light works fine.

i dont know what else to do besides just making a new one


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: shroomcs]
    #7839051 - 01/06/08 12:11 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Could it be the weather? has the humidity where you are dropped recently? That could certainly effect the rh inside your pmp.


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: simplemachine]
    #7839079 - 01/06/08 12:25 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

what would the weather outside have anything to do with it
i live in the desert, so its always pretty dry


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Re: shitty fruits [Re: shroomcs]
    #7839095 - 01/06/08 12:31 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Houses aren't hermetically sealed, so the humidity inside is affected by the humidity outside. I live on the coast, and its very wet and tropical, but when a cold front rolled in a few days ago, I was shooting sparks all over the house.

Just brainstorming here.


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