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Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee
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He's probably the worst of all the Republican candidates. He's at least as bad as Bush if not even worse.
1) He's a right wing relgious extremist.
From his own website:Quote:
A significant part of his adult life was spent as a pastor and denominational leader. He became the youngest president ever of the Arkansas Baptist State Convention, the largest denomination in Arkansas. Huckabee led rapidly growing congregations in Pine Bluff and Texarkana.
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My faith is my life - it defines me.
Puke
2) Of course, he's totally anti-choice
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I support and have always supported passage of a constitutional amendment to protect the right to life. My convictions regarding the sanctity of life have always been clear and consistent, without equivocation or wavering. I believe that Roe v. Wade should be over-turned
3) Of course, he wants to make sure that the poor and uninsured continue to get fucked by millionaire doctors who kickback huge sums to whoring politicians
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We don't need universal health care
4) It goes without saying since he's a Baptist cunt but of course he's an extreme homophobic bigot even taking it to the level of wanting to put bigotry and a hatred into the US Constitution
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I support and have always supported passage of a federal constitutional amendment that defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman. As President, I will fight for passage of this amendment. My personal belief is that marriage is between one man and one woman, for life
5) He wants to continue on with Iraq (unbelievable):
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Iraq is a battle in our generational, ideological war on terror. General Petraeus and our troops are giving their all to provide a window of opportunity for the Iraq government to succeed, while the Democrats are running for the exit doors.
6) Wants to continue to needless and stupid hostility against Cuba
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As President, I will enforce and implement all provisions of U.S. law governing policy toward Cuba including the Libertad Act
http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/legal/statutes/libertad.pdf
If this cunt wins it's going to get even worse. Fuck, this shit is so depressing.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7830919 - 01/04/08 07:24 AM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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Don't worry, the Republicans have a 0.0001% chance of winning the presidency.
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Man, if Bush can win a second term anything can happen.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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lol...i still am dumbfounded that actual americans re-elected him...wtf
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7831057 - 01/04/08 08:17 AM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: Man, if Bush can win a second term anything can happen.
QFT
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Don't worry, the Republicans have a 0.0001% chance of winning the presidency.
The Republicans don't WANT to win the elections. Bush has made a terrible and costly mess of things. The next president is bound to get very unpopular because he has to clean up the mess with unpopular decisions. Then America will be fed up, there may be early elections after that and the Republicans seek to win that one.
They either want a key Democrat to win or one of their own Mavericks (which gives Ron Paul a fighting chance) because they know the next president is doomed.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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Interesting idea. I think you might be on to something with some of the Republicans but it's not very likely that that's an organized conspiracy, is it? I mean, Huckabee's in it to win it and he damn well might do it, even if some of the cleverer Republicans don't want him to. I also think a lot of Republicans believe that Bush has the country directly on course to what they want and want to continue with four more years of the same kind of government. Hopefully, the next president will start cleaning up the mess but I think it's just as likely that the next president will just keep fucking things up even worse. It all depends on who we get. If the Republicans decided to throw Paul to the wolves I'll take him!
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Left Nut City said: Don't worry, the Republicans have a 0.0001% chance of winning the presidency.
Not with Obama or Clinton.
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Left Nut City said: Don't worry, the Republicans have a 0.0001% chance of winning the presidency.
That's what the repubs say at the democrats
I think it's safe to say this election is TOTALLY up in the air. I'd give it 50/50 and make it about as open as the last two.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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it's not very likely that that's an organized conspiracy, is it?
I believe some Republican strategists see it like this. Let the next president take the heat, and be crucified, and then have a fairweather president elected who will lead the country a full term or more, the Republican way.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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Did Huckabee win Iowa then?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#7831439 - 01/04/08 10:23 AM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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Did Huckabee win Iowa then?
I do know he plays the bass though.
Its usually a close call who'll be president anyway. Clinton didn't win Iowa.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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No offense WS but don't you live in the uk?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
#7831599 - 01/04/08 11:12 AM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: The Republicans don't WANT to win the elections. Bush has made a terrible and costly mess of things. The next president is bound to get very unpopular because he has to clean up the mess with unpopular decisions. Then America will be fed up, there may be early elections after that and the Republicans seek to win that one.
They either want a key Democrat to win or one of their own Mavericks (which gives Ron Paul a fighting chance) because they know the next president is doomed.
I disagree with you on this. Politics is such a difficult system to come out on top of, I don't think any presidential candidate would sacrifice his own career for the future of the party. Is McCain gonna not win on purpose just so he can run again (and possibly not win again) in 2012? No. The key trait that brought all these people to where they are is ambition, and that is why every republican or democrat in the race is in it to win.
And btw, if Huckabee wins, I am in all seriousness moving to Canada. The guy is a backwards fool who believes in fairy tales.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: g00ru]
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Man what a douche-cock, although I doubt he is ever going to win. I'm a liberal, but my votes always get fucked over- so what gives?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Iron_Hymen]
#7831714 - 01/04/08 12:00 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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i saw about 15 people all marching around this 4 way busy intersection on the two main streets in the city i work in today.. i showed them though, i had a ron paul lawn bilboard thing in my back seat that i saved from the dumpster at my work. (i gotta find out who's throwing them out and stop them)
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: jasonpwnd]
#7831765 - 01/04/08 12:20 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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I don't give a shit about a guy with Huck's principles in the office... he's not different from any other president...
I just think when he talks... he sounds like he's acting.. very badly. It's extremely patronizing and I fuckin hate it.
I like ppl who talk like Ron Paul... people who don't get expensive ass speechwrtiers and rehearse their lines.
If Mike Huckabee got on national tv and said.. GOD DAMNIT FUCK THIS SHIT in front of millions.. I might actually like him.... same for any other candidate.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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I just wish he didn't have such an awesome name, he'd be easier to hate
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did u see chuck norris' wife in the background last night? OMG SHES HOT.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Leanin]
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rofl i saw chuck norris and i was like WTF IS THAT CHUCK NORRIS hes aging =/
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Chuck Norris is so tough, that if you don't vote for Huckabee... he'll roundhouse kick your puppy
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: g00ru]
#7832553 - 01/04/08 04:22 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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guruu said: And btw, if Huckabee wins, I am in all seriousness moving to Canada. The guy is a backwards fool who believes in fairy tales.
dude u took the words right out of my mouth
i was considering moving to toronto anyway and auditioning for the ontario opera chorus
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Zinglons Acolyte said: rofl i saw chuck norris and i was like WTF IS THAT CHUCK NORRIS hes aging =/
This just in.. Mike Huckabee hates I <3 Huckabees
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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that vid was awesome!
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
#7832596 - 01/04/08 04:33 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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huckabee obama and clinton all have the ancestry to be president. i think one more does but i dont know who.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
#7832623 - 01/04/08 04:39 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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dude... he really hated the movie. he rambled on calling it the worst movie ever for a good 45 seconds...
great clip btw thank you
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: rubixcubies]
#7832638 - 01/04/08 04:42 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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rubixcubies said: huckabee obama and clinton all have the ancestry to be president.
the ancestry? since when is ancestry a requirement of the President? i thought the original goal of our government was to keep dynasty/monarchy/royalty out of power!
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: MistaUNGA]
#7832650 - 01/04/08 04:46 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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Huckabee is the worst of all worlds; a fiscal tax and spend liberal and a social conservative. Don't worry, he has zero chance of getting the nomination, his brand of religious bigotry and liberal spending is not going to go over very well outside of the evangelical welfare state that is Iowa and a few others.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: zappaisgod]
#7832680 - 01/04/08 04:53 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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Yeah but what about FairTax? That shit is the jam.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: MistaUNGA]
#7832789 - 01/04/08 05:22 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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no seriouolsy i heard that every president was related distantly to eachother.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
#7832819 - 01/04/08 05:31 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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BrAiN said:
Chuck Norris for president
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Robo]
#7832847 - 01/04/08 05:42 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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"Why do I look so young? Well let me show you my make up room...;)"
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Cowgold]
#7832943 - 01/04/08 06:15 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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Why shouldn't I want rich people to pay for me to go the doctor and for medicine?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
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universal healthcare could work, and is working in many countries, such as canada, UK, australia, and many others. and you could also express your views with some knowledge rather than plain hatred.
ps. if you have additional thoughts you can edit it into 1 post, you don't need 3 repetitive posts.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
#7832961 - 01/04/08 06:21 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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StreetFreak said: Oh, and fuck universal healthcare and the uninformed that support it.
I'm FOR universal health acre, but for financial reasons, not humanitarian. I think that most uninsured people will EVENTUALLY get their own insurance down the road.. and when they finally get insurance after 40 years of never getting checked up.. they'll cost the system even more because they never had their problems caught at an early stage and they'll be an EVEN bigger burden..
I don't mind spending a few extra bucks a month if it means I'll save 100 bucks a month in health insurance premiums.
That's just a theory though... But I think your view is very narrow. You assume that just because someone is FOR universal health care that
(a) That the health system will be RUN by the gov't. Just because the gov't hands out food stamps doesn't mean they run the grocery stores.
(b) That someone can be for health care because they need the gov't to take care of them. The only reason I'm for it is because I think I'll be spending less in monthly premiums than I will in taxes for universal health care.
It would be nice if university or would do some research on the latter hypothesis though
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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Without pretending to be a know it all on the subject...
I'm for having healthy citizens, but I also think that health is a concern that we as individuals hold the most responsibility for. Financial included.
There's always a better solution. I'm for that one.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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Zinglons Acolyte said: rofl i saw chuck norris and i was like WTF IS THAT CHUCK NORRIS hes aging =/
This just in.. Mike Huckabee hates I <3 Huckabees
Wow, Huckabee and I have ONE thing in common, that movie blows.
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And there's a problem here? the way i see it is if he's really half of what they make him out to then it could be one of the best things to happen to this country if he was to get elected in a long time. but if he's anything less or a phony then it could spell impending disaster for everyone involved. just my two cents
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
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I can guarantee you if any poor person goes to the hospital with an emergency they will be taken care of whether they can pay for it or not.
Oh really? I'm Dutch. Suppose suddenly an artery ruptures. I call an ambulance, it comes, takes me to emergency, they do their thing, immediate emergency surgery and three days later I'm out of the hospital. No bills.
An American would get a bill for thousands of dollars. A poor American with no insurance will be in debt for months and months on end to pay for that very same emergency.
Here on the Shroomery every once in a while we have people who are seriously sick for whatever reason and who refuse to go see a doctor because they cannot afford it.
And that's ALWAYS anb American. Never a Canadian, Briton or Dutchman.
The richest country in the world and they do not take care of their own. That is sickening.
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Get a fucking clue.
You do that sir, you do that.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: razmablues]
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razmablues said: universal healthcare could work, and is working in many countries, such as canada, UK, australia, and many others. and you could also express your views with some knowledge rather than plain hatred.
ps. if you have additional thoughts you can edit it into 1 post, you don't need 3 repetitive posts.
lol why is it that the people in those countries that have decent money come to the U.S. for healthcare? Because those systems encourage shitty healthcare by doctors. I know what I'm talking about, and am just being blunt. I really don't feel like a 5 day debate on why we shouldn't have universal healthcare, but hopefully you can just take my word for it.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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I can guarantee you if any poor person goes to the hospital with an emergency they will be taken care of whether they can pay for it or not.
Oh really? I'm Dutch. Suppose suddenly an artery ruptures. I call an ambulance, it comes, takes me to emergency, they do their thing, immediate emergency surgery and three days later I'm out of the hospital. No bills.
An American would get a bill for thousands of dollars. A poor American with no insurance will be in debt for months and months on end to pay for that very same emergency.
Here on the Shroomery every once in a while we have people who are seriously sick for whatever reason and who refuse to go see a doctor because they cannot afford it.
And that's ALWAYS anb American. Never a Canadian, Briton or Dutchman.
The richest country in the world and they do not take care of their own. That is sickening.
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Get a fucking clue.
You do that sir, you do that.
Let me guess, it's the american governments fault too that some people don't have enough money to support themselves? Like I said, if a poor person shows up they WILL get care, and yes the doctors expect them to pay, who the hell wouldn't? But if they reaaaaally can't pay they are usually given a break in one way or another. You may not live in America, but I'm tired of seeing our government grow larger and larger. Just like we "needed" a department of education, and since then the quality of our education has gone down hill. The same thing will happen to medical care. It's not free fucking healthcare, the people do end up fucking paying for it big time. I know many doctors and I've yet to hear or see someone be turned away that needed healthcare because they couldn't pay.
I guess because some peoples utility bills put them in debt the government should provide us with free energy too right? LOL FREE There's no such thing as "free"
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said: That is sickening.
what's sickening is that they take care of most of them, it then falls back on the rest of us, regardless of what you've been told, there is no free healthcare
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
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I guess I just don't need big brother taking care of me from cradle to grave, because I don't blow all my cash on drugs and decided to have 5 children by the age 20.
Heres a story from the ER for ya wiccan. This black woman was coming in all the time, having babies left and right. Well finally after only God knows how many babies she had, the doctors wanted to tie her tubes so she wouldn't get pregnant anymore. Her response? "No, because if I have more babies I'll get more money from the government."
Universal healthcare by the government will ultimately be nothing more than a failure. Anybody that actually researches the subject and understands it in depth will find this out themselves. Long live the free market.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Prisoner#1]
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i live in wisconsin, the welfare, poor/ low middle class have coverage thru the state, and its pretty dam good coverage IMO. those w/ families who make 20K a yr or dont have jobs dont really pay into the "system" that allows them this coverage. other tax payers pay for it.
I am fine w/ this, btw, b/c I am for tax payer paid healthcare.
what pisses me off is that its really the middle class that feels the pinch when it comes to private heathcare. the welfare class is covered no problems by the taxpayers, the rich can afford to pay the co-pays and deductables and extra expenses for the things the insurance wont cover.
however, i am paying about $120 a month for my healthcare, i was hospitalized for pancreatitis for 2 1/2 days, and I had to pay almost $2000 for bills that my insurance co wouldnt pay. that was a significant portion of my desposable income.
growing up my father had a good paying job, but we lived fairly lower middle class b/c my mother has Crohns disease, amonst other problems, that would lead the month long hospitalizations, any expendable income went to pay off the bills my dad's company plan woulnd pay.
yet there are many people out there who are, for some reason, able to convince the middle class taht we should be lucky to have things the way they are
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
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Let me guess, it's the american governments fault too that some people don't have enough money to support themselves?
for a free market to work you still need the people on the bottom. the rich need the waiter to serve him his food, the towel jockey to wash his benz, and the ditch digger to dig his grave.
its sounds like you believe that rich people and poor people are where they are in life enirely by choice. life is never that black and white. situations and circumstances can change your status in an instant.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: MrBump]
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for a free market to work you still need the people on the bottom. the rich need the waiter to serve him his food, the towel jockey to wash his benz, and the ditch digger to dig his grave.
its sounds like you believe that rich people and poor people are where they are in life enirely by choice. life is never that black and white. situations and circumstances can change your status in an instant.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: 2FiNiTe]
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If we could live in a utopian society you don't think I would be down for that? 
What are you a commie? You act like its black in white as in poor people serving the rich. Lol wtf?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
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you stated that its not the government's fault that there are poor people in a free market, capitalist system, which you are clearly in favor of.
so I pointed out that poor people are in fact an integral part of a free market system. a poor person can rise up to become a rich and powerful person, just like a rich person can lose it all and end up homeless.
this is why i am for certain socialist programs that act as safety nets, tax payer paid healthcare being one of them. medical bills are a top, if not the top, reason people declare bankrutpcy. certain things that are out of one's control can quickly take down an otherwise productive tax paying member of society.
I am not for perpetual welefare for those that dont want to work a day in their life, but hey, any program like this (or any right - like abortion) created by the goverment is prone to be abused occasionally. it doesnt mean that the program should neccessarily be scrapped or that the right be taken away.
you rail on welfare for the common citizen, while neglecting to bring up the point that in your free market paradise the government also gives out billions in Corporate Welfare.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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3) Of course, he wants to make sure that the poor and uninsured continue to get fucked by millionaire doctors who kickback huge sums to whoring politicians
We don't need universal health care. Millionaire doctors?? doctors are the ones getting fucked. If anything, politicians need to get the fuck out of trying to deal with health care altogether. I believe it was strom thurman who was either in charge or held a lot of stock in two insurance companies and he was part of the reason why doctors and patients get fucked over so much by insurance companies.
Other than that, I can't stand Huckabee. Aside from his 'cute' name I hope to whatever is out there that this bag of douche doesn't get in.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: razmablues]
#7833666 - 01/04/08 09:21 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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razmablues said: universal healthcare could work, and is working in many countries, such as canada, UK, australia, and many others.
Health care there is starting to fall apart
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=X1PRMN4XJXPRHQFIQMGSFGGAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2008/01/02/nhs102.xml
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It's funny how this prick Huckabee came from absolute nowhere.
Obviously, the Christian Coalition didn't want to go through with Romney so they went to Huckabee. I thought this might be the first election that didn't contain a bible-hugging dogmatic butthead. But, that makes me the butthead of holding such a false hope
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7833703 - 01/04/08 09:33 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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I'm up for whatever changes means that the health insurance system we have now changes. Be it universal health-care or just a class action lawsuit against current insurance companies, they are the lowest of the low when it comes to shady business practices and nobody does a damn thing about it.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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Well this thread got highjacked a bit.
I'm just going to move out of the US as soon as possible. It really is a terrible place to live. The money that I earn, goes towards military spending. Lots of it. They spend more on military spending then anything else. It's disgusting.
If Huckabee wins, I will move twice as fast. I really have no motivation to stay in this country anymore. It is fucked to hell.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Drewwyann]
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I agree I want to leave as well.
But, it sure does seem as if a lot of people have this preconceived notion that other countries don't have any problems and more basic freedoms. In most other countries, you don't have the right to privacy or right to bear arms etc.
It's really give and take with leaving one country for another.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: mathewww]
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Huckabee is a spend-crazy social conservative. You can't get any worse than that.
Also, you can all go to hell if you think I'm paying for your health care.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Drewwyann]
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Drewwyann said: The money that I earn, goes towards military spending. Lots of it. They spend more on military spending then anything else. It's disgusting.
False.
Basic military spending at the federal level: approximately $500 billion Military spending on Iraq and Afghanistan: approximately $125-150 billion
Total yearly military spending: $650 billion
Social Security (free check for disabled and old people every month): over $600 billion Medicaid (free health care for the poor): approximately $350 billion Medicare (free health care for the old): approximately $400 billion
Total yearly spending at the federal level for the big three entitlement programs: $1.35 trillion
I should note that this does not include how much is spent on food stamps (free food for poor people), HUD (free or subsidized rent for poor people), public education (free education for people up until grade 12), grants for poor people when they go to post-secondary educational institutions, etc...etc..
I'll put this bluntly for the more dense reading this: The U.S. federal government spends more on social programs where poor and old people are given free stuff than it does on the military.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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I hear spending on military is something of like... 2% the federal budget per year
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
#7833892 - 01/04/08 10:33 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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My sister was born premature about three years ago. And my mom was hospitalized as well.
The bill ended up being in the 3 million range. Insurance covered about a fifth of that and federal tax helped the rest. My parents don't owe a penny.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: mathewww]
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mathewww said: My sister was born premature about three years ago. And my mom was hospitalized as well.
The bill ended up being in the 3 million range. Insurance covered about a fifth of that and federal tax helped the rest. My parents don't owe a penny.
haha thank you for an awesome example of why we don't need universal healthcare driving our country into a bigger pile of shit
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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BrAiN said: I hear spending on military is something of like... 2% the federal budget per year
It's more like 25%. However, the entitlement/income redistribution programs are more than %50 of the federal budget.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
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I can only think with disgust at the amount of my income that would be taxed away from me if we had universal health care in the U.S. Take a look at your Social Security taxes, local taxes, state taxes, federal taxes, sales tax, and "hidden taxes" (taxes on gasoline for example), etc.. As of now the average American worker has at least 35% of his income taken away from him by various governmental agencies. If we had universal health care how much would it be? 50%? 60%?
No thanks.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said: I can only think with disgust at the amount of my income that would be taxed away from me if we had universal health care in the U.S. Take a look at your Social Security taxes, local taxes, state taxes, federal taxes, sales tax, and "hidden taxes" (taxes on gasoline for example), etc.. As of now the average American worker has at least 35% of his income taken away from him by various governmental agencies. If we had universal health care how much would it be? 50%? 60%?
No thanks.
BUT THINK OF ALL THE POOR THAT ARN'T GETTING HEALTHCARE!
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
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people that talk about wanting universal health care need to get jobs of their own and actually see what's available for them out there.
I mean shit, people talk about our health care system like it's complete shit. There's nothing wrong with our health care system except for the insurance companies but that's not room to let government take control. If anything, that'll make everything way worse.
I mean under the HMO system we've got going, it's basically like sociallized medicine where the insurance agency tells you which doctor to goto. If you're an individual that takes care of themself why should you need to dish out more money in taxes for someone else's health care? Not trying to sound selfish, but seriously. It's one thing to do it on a private level with the insurance companies but on a national level with everyone would be outrageous!! RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT hehe
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Prisoner#1]
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As a nation you take care of your own. Those who are worse off are presented with opportunity, through help by all of the community, mediated by the government.
If you live in a tiny village you take care of each other, a big nation shouldn't be any different.
The alternative is, well, barbarism. "every man for himself" is entirely selfish if it means not helping those in need when you got it good.
Perhaps America needs a big catastrophy to get people together again, to be united as one people. It worked for the Dutch during and after World War Two. Solidarity.
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Left Nut City said: Don't worry, the Republicans have a 0.0001% chance of winning the presidency.
are you serious. from what ive read, "They" can do anything they want. From building voting machines that can be hacked by a black berry - to tossing out absentee ballots
- Its the Golden Rule - the One with the gold, rules. I still vote, but my god man, take off the blinders, freaking Huckabee, a man who openly admitted on stage, before TV camera, he thinks the world is 6ooo years old - this country is fucking screwed if he wins. (AND HE COULD IF THEY WANT HIM TOO)
Lets hope Obama's new candidate smell doesn't wear off before hes able to secure his spot on the ballot. And that Mayor Moneypants Bloomberg doesn't decided in the next 4 days he wants to play El Presidente.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
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if a poor person shows up they WILL get care, and yes the doctors expect them to pay, who the hell wouldn't? But if they reaaaaally can't pay they are usually given a break in one way or another.
It's so obvious you grew up and were (or are being) educated in a pampered suburban environment.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said: As a nation you take care of your own. Those who are worse off are presented with opportunity, through help by all of the community, mediated by the government.
If you live in a tiny village you take care of each other, a big nation shouldn't be any different.
The alternative is, well, barbarism. "every man for himself" is entirely selfish if it means not helping those in need when you got it good.
Perhaps America needs a big catastrophy to get people together again, to be united as one people. It worked for the Dutch during and after World War Two. Solidarity.
But why should this be a function of the government? Why can't it be done through private charity?
Your whole rant was subjective and nothing but opinion anyways.
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are you serious. from what ive read, "They" can do anything they want. From building voting machines that can be hacked by a black berry - to tossing out absentee ballots
- Its the Golden Rule - the One with the gold, rules.
Bullshit. If that is the case then how did the Dems take the legislative branch?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Redstorm]
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Your whole rant was subjective and nothing but opinion anyways.
90% of all posts are. Americans are the minority in this, most of the first world has this kind of health care system.
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But why should this be a function of the government? Why can't it be done through private charity?
You elect a government to help run the country. This fits their job description.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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You elect a government to enforce the rule of law and to protect your rights from others. Our Constitution says nothing about health care.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Redstorm]
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The bible said nothing about Jesus so they wrote the New Testament.
The Constitution doesn't say a thing about building bridges and roads either, should we ask them to stop that?
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What you call solidarity I call economic tyranny.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Economic tyranny? How so?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7834943 - 01/05/08 10:27 AM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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I think the biggest problem with the current healthcare system isn't that we don't have enough people covered.. it's WHATS covered.
I'm not a big fan of Michael Moore, but his last movie did bring up one good point... the insurance companies have millions of dollars to spend in attorneys that will try to dick you out of what you pay for... by calling a procedure "EXPERIMENTAL" or by fighting against payment on something just long enough for the patient to die and stop putting up a fight.
These aren't cases of lazy people wanted to suck up tax dollars.. these are cases of people PAYING into the system fair and square and getting shafted on what they're paying for just because the insurance company needs to make more money.
At least add some regulations that say if a doctor SAYS YOU NEED A PROCEDURE that the insurance company CAN'T DENY IT. That's a start at least.
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Economic tyranny? How so?
With these "social programs" the government forcefully takes your money and gives it to other people or enrolls you in certain programs and you have no choice in the matter. You may not be bothered by having 50% of the fruits of your labor taken away from you but I am.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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Admittedly, the insurance companies have done some shady things. When they do shady things they deserve to get sued. That doesn't mean we should have universal health care coverage though.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Does anyone know the official stats/tax brackets for other countries such as canada, britain, france?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said: Admittedly, the insurance companies have done some shady things. When they do shady things they deserve to get sued. That doesn't mean we should have universal health care coverage though.
Like I said.. I'm for it, and I think those that are against it have a valid point...
but ALSO like I said... short of universal health care.. a good start would be a gov't regulation saying insurance companies COULDN'T DENY treatment if the doctor said it was neccessary. As a Libertarian, I'm not one for a lot of gov't regulations but some things you just need it.... you can do shady things when it comes to a lot of aspects of people's lives, but your HEALTH should be the last thing you allow people to play games with.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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There was a big post about America vs. Canada when it comes to taxation in the political forum one time. I think we were actually pretty even percentage-wise. But, Canada has a very small military where we have a large one. Also, Canada has a sparse medical system compared to ours...and us Americans are forced to pay for this top-notch expensive care for poor and old people because of the Medicaid and Medicare programs.
If America were to institute a universal health care system then we would have to significantly lower quality in order to cover everybody. To put it bluntly we can't afford to spend tons of money on everybody for every ache and pain and end-of-life issue. If we did we would go bankrupt.
I think we need to be honest about life and health. If you don't take care of yourself you will be in bad health. When you get old you die. A significant amount of Medicare outlays go toward trying to keep old people alive in the last three months of their lives. It is not uncommon to spend $100,000 or more on procedures in an attempt to eek out another month for some old people. That's just stupid. When I get that old and I am about to kick the bucket I'm not going to demand that the taxpayers shell out hundreds of thousands to keep me going for a short while longer. I'll just go off somewhere and die.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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For really hot issues like this.. it would be nice if a single state stepped up to the plate and offered itself as a guinea pig to see how "universal health" care would work.. at least on a state level.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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Ewww gross, you want Huckabee to fuck you? you're gross man...
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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Not a bad idea. This issue is so complex and profound that a little experimentation might help in determining what the best setup is.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
#7835053 - 01/05/08 11:03 AM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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How fair is a system that you have no say in, but you still foot most the bill? My taxes are insane this year. I can't imagine what they'd be with universal healthcare.
Everything changes when you're the one paying for everything.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Cowgold]
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Cowgold said: I can't imagine what they'd be with universal healthcare.
Probably the same if we took all the money we blow in Iraq and stick it in universal health care
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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What we spend on the war is only a fraction of what health care costs. We shouldn't be paying for either.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said: The bible said nothing about Jesus so they wrote the New Testament.
The Constitution doesn't say a thing about building bridges and roads either, should we ask them to stop that?
The bible has nothing to do with the topic at hand. It's ok to make things up as you go along when you're telling fairy tales, but when you are dealing with the legal foundation of a country, there's not a lot of room for ad libbing.
The constitution has nothing to say about roads, but it does say that all powers not expressly granted to the federal government is granted to the states. That's why the states take responsibility for the majority of transportation.
If universal health care was adopted on a state-by-state basis, I would not have as much against it. This would allow me to move to a different state that does not have universal health care while giving those who want it the opportunity to have it.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
If universal health care was adopted on a state-by-state basis, I would not have as much against it. This would allow me to move to a different state that does not have universal health care while giving those who want it the opportunity to have it.
Would work best if the border states weren't allowed to have universal healthcare.
States rights +1
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Redstorm]
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They should change the regulations of becoming a dr. If you went to a 2 year school on how to become a dr, it would be much cheaper for universal health care. If you already have decent health care, or have money then you get to goto a good dr that went to medical school.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Cowgold]
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I think the state governments of all but California would not even consider such a policy. Most of the border states are dominated by Republicans or at least conservative independents.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Cowgold]
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The only thing your not taking into account on the cost is your health care insurance premiums. If universal health care was instated, you would drop your 170 dollar a month insurance payments...at least that is what it costs me to pay insurance for me, my wife, and one child...
I also had back surgery about 2 years ago, we just finished paying it off. My insurance company did cover 80% of the cost, but my 20% alone was over 6000 dollars...I have a feeling that if we had the increased tax for universal healthcare, that it would have been cheaper
170*24(for 2 years, how much I paid insurance while paying off my back surgery) = 4080 dollars
4080+6000 = $10,080
That sucks for someone like me that only lives in the middle - upper portion of the middle class. While im sure it is worse for other people, maybe my family and I will be able to go on vacation and spend some our disposable income how we please this year if no one else gets seriously injured or has to stay in the hospital for a couple days.
Im for universal health care, Canadians have a longer life expectation that do Americans, now that could be either because Americans live gluttonous lives or because of health care, there are too many variables to prove either way. I will also admit that I have not deeply investigated the subject, only slightly, but am well educated since I got good grades the govt, state and federal, helped foot the bill for my college education.
From the way I see it, it is another story of the middle class getting screwed. Poor people get government assistance for everything. Rich people can afford whatever they need. Middle of the road people have to work their ass off every day to get by. When my wife got pregnant and we had our child, we did not qualify for WIC (which helps you get cheaper food and baby supplies) since combined we made more than 24,000 a year, we made 25,156 dollars that year. It is very hard to supply all of us with rent for a 2 bedroom apartment, water, electricity, transportation to make the small amount we did, and food. We have worked hard and are no longer in the situation where we need assistance, and luckily nothing major happened medically or we would have been royally fucked, period.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: supra]
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I've taken my health care into account.
P.S. I'm glad everything worked out for you.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Cowgold]
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It's easy for someone in their twenties to say 'Oh I don't need the government to take of me' but no matter how many vegetables you eat and how many meters you swim sooner or later your body will break down and ultimately die. The way it works now, the medical community has America by the balls when that process starts. You can die without the comforts of medicine or you can hand over whatever you got to the doctors. And if what you got is insufficient, they kick your ass to the motherfucking curb.
Yeah, I hate big government but what the fuck do yall think we have now? Now it's just set up so the doctors, the insurance companies and the politicians work in cahoots and steal and divide up everyone's fucking money. Fuck this shit! I'll take my chances with whatever happens with the free government provided system. How could it be any worse? I'm not going to be able to put together any kind of reasonable care for heart disease or cancer or whatever else is down the line and neither are any of yall. Other countries provide free health care for their citizens so why the fuck wouldn't I want America to do it?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7835268 - 01/05/08 12:06 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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The government isn't the only way to plan for growing old and the health problems that come with it. If you're not disabled you should have a plan for the worst. Going around like you'll live forever isn't a very good plan, especially if you think the government should make that happen.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7835271 - 01/05/08 12:07 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Why don't we ask people in the shroomery here from the UK or Canada?
Anyone here live in a country where you have universal health care? How do you feel is the quality if your care? Would you rather have a system like America?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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If you're not disabled you should have a plan for the worst
Sooner or later we all become disabled.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
#7835286 - 01/05/08 12:10 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: The bible said nothing about Jesus so they wrote the New Testament.
the bible didnt exist until after jesus had been written about
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
#7835287 - 01/05/08 12:10 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Too much of a stigma toward America to get an unbiased opinion. This could be their one area to +1 us. I don't trust em.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7835292 - 01/05/08 12:11 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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If you're not disabled you should have a plan for the worst
Sooner or later we all become disabled.
There's disability programs right now.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7835315 - 01/05/08 12:18 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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If you have a 100% certainty of needing medical services in the future, why not be a responsible adult and start a medical savings account? Put the money you would put into insurance premiums into it until you need it and you'll be taken care of when you're elderly.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Redstorm]
#7835328 - 01/05/08 12:22 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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But, Redstorm....I want to sit around, smoke pot, hardly work, espouse ill-thought out Leftist/liberal ideals, and mooch off of society as much as is possible.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Redstorm]
#7835346 - 01/05/08 12:28 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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That's a laugh. Even if I put away ten grand a year until I needed it the money would be gone in a matter of weeks if not days. The real burn is on people who work hard as fuck all their lives, behave and save responsibly, believe and the system and still end up getting fucked in the end.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7835347 - 01/05/08 12:29 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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RandalFlagg said: But, Redstorm....I want to sit around, smoke pot, hardly work, espouse ill-thought out Leftist/liberal ideals, and mooch off of society as much as is possible.
Just to play devil's advocate here: I'd like to see what you say if you wake up tommorrow with cancer and your insurance charges you a $200,000 deductable for the million dollars worth of treatment you might end up getting.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7835362 - 01/05/08 12:33 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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If you're not disabled you should have a plan for the worst
Sooner or later we all become disabled.
Then I strongly suggest you start making preparations for it. It's called taking responsibility for your self. Anything you manage to wheedle out of the gummint is going to suck and come with nasty strings attached. Anybody who thinks that a gummint health care system is going to provide anywhere near the quality of care you can currently buy is daft.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
#7835368 - 01/05/08 12:34 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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BrAiN said: Just to play devil's advocate here: I'd like to see what you say if you wake up tommorrow with cancer and your insurance charges you a $200,000 deductable for the million dollars worth of treatment you might end up getting.
If I didn't have the money then I'd try to borrow it. If I couldn't borrow it then I'd die. Life sucks don't it?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7835378 - 01/05/08 12:36 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Huckabee just posed with Chuck Norris on the news.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: mndfreeze]
#7835387 - 01/05/08 12:38 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Chuck went from being a badass to being a born-again weirdo.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: zappaisgod]
#7835406 - 01/05/08 12:41 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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This libertarian crap on the Shroomery is such a bunch of rich kid suburban bullshit.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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And assumptions are a bunch of uneducated bullshit.
I'm a college graduate who is working full time. I support myself.
Libertarianism has nothing to do with being a kid, being rich, or being from the suburbs. It has to do with being reasonable and not basing policies on emotions or feel good stories.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Redstorm]
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Looking to the free market to solve our social problems is the biggest fantasyland bullshit there is.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7835437 - 01/05/08 12:50 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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If you think the government does anything better than the free market, then you are in fantasyland.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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Fuck universal healthcare. There are far to many americans who already benefit from my tax dollars. I worked with a kid who recieved almost $350 a month from SSI because he "couldnt read" (ie. jacked off in school). Now, we we're both the same age, made the same salary, but im also a full time student with almost $60,000 in debt to student loans (i even graduated 7th in my highschool class and didnt recieve a cent of grant or scholarship money).
Now how the fuck does that work? How does someone who works hard get fucked over and give a portion of his paycheck to the lazy idiot who works the EXACT SAME JOB and isnt nearly as good at it. The most disgusting thing is this faggot had the gull to apply for unemployment after he got fired.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: teaparty]
#7835467 - 01/05/08 12:57 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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$350 a month!!! What an outrage!
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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TheFakeSunRa said: $350 a month!!! What an outrage!
considering he was using it to pay for his ATV, fuck yes its an outrage.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: teaparty]
#7835499 - 01/05/08 01:05 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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There are a lot of parasites in America. Let's take a look at what kind of free shit you can get if you are a single woman with kids in this country:
-Medicaid (free health care for your kids and probably you) -Food stamps (free food) -subsidized or free rent -free education for your children
It's possible and even common for one woman to spit out several kids and to get $70,000 or more a year in free shit that the government pays for.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: teaparty]
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TheFakeSunRa said: $350 a month!!! What an outrage!
considering he was using it to pay for his ATV, fuck yes its an outrage.
Every person I've ever know who was on public assistance was a complete waste except for my mom.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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TheFakeSunRa said: Looking to the free market to solve our social problems is the biggest fantasyland bullshit there is.
You need to concentrate on your own self and making sure that YOU are not a burden before you go worrying about being Robin Hood. Social problems? What crap. Subsidizing losers does nothing but create more losers. There's some free market reality fer ya.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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All universal healthcare would do is encourage people to be unhealthy. I will not pay for an obese persons insulin because they spent 40 years laying on the couch eating mcdonalds.
Anyways, my vote will probobly be sent towards Obama in the primaries. If Huckabee wins we are just one step closer to bringing church and state together. And christian zealots are nearly as bad as muslim extremists.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: teaparty]
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Yeah, it's too bad that the Republican party has been perverted by the Christian wackos and over-spending interventionists.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: teaparty]
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At least the muslim extremist kill themselves. THe christian zealots can learn a thing or two from them.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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God forbid you can't have your nose job or a fucking 3000$ leather couch because some poor kid needs a liver transplant. But hey priorities are priorities right?
This is really where humanity is heading I guess. Hope people in the afterlife really like that new nose of yours.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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Jadian said: God forbid you can't have your nose job or a fucking 3000$ leather couch because some poor kid needs a liver transplant. But hey priorities are priorities right?
This is really where humanity is heading I guess. Hope people in the afterlife really like that new nose of yours.
WTF? Who is getting a nosejob?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: teaparty]
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Mr. "Waaah they want to take my money away that I'm using so superficially to try to make the country a better place."
I've just been surrounded by these rich assholes my whole life. My dad is the exact same way, his big house and nice cars and fancy clothes are so much more important to him than anything or anybody else. It sickens me people can be so fucking selfish.
Now personally I don't think if health care was socialized it should apply to everybody, because some people are leeches plain and simple and I can agree with the opposition on this. Does that mean I want to sentance every poor, uninsured person to death or a shitty life? Fuck no. It's so easy to make simple steps to improve all aspects of your health that there should be programs for rewarding this.
If you eat a good diet and maintain even a small amount of physical activity on a regular basis (30+ minutes a day 4-5 times a week, something as simple as a brisk walk) your risk level for the 4 biggest killers in the world goes down by hundreds of percents. Even the poorest of the poor can do something like this, but when some shit comes up like somebody breaks a leg on accident or gets hit by a car and they can't take care of themselves, it sickens me that the attitude of these assholes is "Oh well, they should have thought of that before it happened."
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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Jadian said: God forbid you can't have your nose job or a fucking 3000$ leather couch because some poor kid needs a liver transplant. But hey priorities are priorities right?
This is really where humanity is heading I guess. Hope people in the afterlife really like that new nose of yours.
I'll use MY money to buy any god damn thing I want, you enormously pompous fascist. How much money did you steal from his transplant fund when you bought that bong? The poor kid is already covered by the money I gave the gummint.
MOD EDIT: "you enormously pompous fascist"? Wow they don't make many flames like that one anymore. 1 day cooling off from posting in The Pub.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Cowgold]
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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Jadian said: God forbid you can't have your nose job or a fucking 3000$ leather couch because some poor kid needs a liver transplant. But hey priorities are priorities right?
This is really where humanity is heading I guess. Hope people in the afterlife really like that new nose of yours.
Bill Gates has a lot more money than I do and is capable of living a life I can only dream of. Should I have his money? Nope.
My lot in life is my lot in life. I don't take anything from anybody else. Whether I have money or whether I don't have money will not impact this sentiment of mine.
We are not talking about one kid getting a transplant (which would probably be covered by Medicaid anyway). We are talking about a massive overhaul of our health care system which would result in the American populace being forced to give up a significant amount of its wealth, to accept whatever health care the government gave out, and to have absolutely no say in health care matters from then on. It is economic tyranny plain and simple and it makes me sick to my stomach to contemplate.
P.S. If that kid needed a liver transplant in one of the "free health care" countries like Canada or the UK there is a very good chance that he would die because their systems do not have the amount of doctors nor the equipment that the U.S. has. But, if you want that shit you have to pay for it. Life isn't fair. Is it the government's right or responsibility to steal people's money to attempt to rectify that?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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Jadian said: Mr. "Waaah they want to take my money away that I'm using so superficially to try to make the country a better place."
Being forced into programs that I do not agree with and being economically beholden to the state is not a better world; it is socialism run amok and it is nearing economic fascism.
And what would happen if all health care was nationalized, controlled, and paid for with taxes? Would health care in this country become as shitty as public education is in this country? Anytime the government touches anything it costs a lot of money and the end result is of sub-standard quality.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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TheFakeSunRa said: This libertarian crap on the Shroomery is such a bunch of rich kid suburban bullshit.
Hah! And what are you?
I'm Libertarian.. I live in an Urban area.. I'm 28..and I pay my own bills.. BARELY. I'm far from what you'd call a "rich suburban kid".
So anyone who has ideas DIFFERENT FROM YOU is bullshit? That's very open minded of you. You're so open minded that you think anyone who disagrees with you is evil.
I'm going to start the "TheFakeSunRa" fan club. Our members will all strive to be as perfect and all knowing as you.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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BrAiN said: Just to play devil's advocate here: I'd like to see what you say if you wake up tommorrow with cancer and your insurance charges you a $200,000 deductable for the million dollars worth of treatment you might end up getting.
If I didn't have the money then I'd try to borrow it. If I couldn't borrow it then I'd die. Life sucks don't it?
Can't argue with that
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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You guys are right though, they shouldn't FORCE your money away from you. The fact that you guys aren't WILLING to give part of your money to people less fortunate than you is sad though. I've lived on the rich side of the fence, I know how they think, and it disgusted me to the point where I'm not even in contact with that side of my family anymore, and I gave up the financial blanket I could be covered with.
When people start caring about money more than people there is something FUCKED UP there.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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To play advocate for those against universal health care, thinking that socialized medicine has plenty of problems.. I give you the following scenario about TONY WILSON.. the founder of Factory records (Joy division, happy mondays, new order, etc).
From wiki:
After developing renal cancer, Wilson's doctors recommended he take the drug Sunitinib (aka Sutent), the £3,500 per month cost of which was not funded by the Manchester Primary Care Trust. He was turned down by the NHS, while patients being treated alongside him at the Christie Hospital and living just a few miles away in Cheshire received funding for the therapy.
A number of Wilson's music industry friends, including former Happy Mondays manager Nathan McGough and their current manager, Elliot Rashman, formed a fund to help pay for Wilson's medical treatment.[7]
Wilson said: "This [Sutent] is my only real option. It is not a cure but can hold the cancer back, so I will probably be on it until I die ... When they said I would have to pay £3,500 for the drugs each month, I thought where am I going to find the money? I'm the one person in this industry who famously has never made any money ... I used to say some people make money and some make history, which is very funny until you find you can't afford to keep yourself alive ... I've never paid for private healthcare because I'm a socialist. Now I find you can get tummy tucks and cosmetic surgery on the NHS but not the drugs I need to stay alive. It is a scandal."[8]
... that's the UK's system as well. Socialist but still corrupt.
Tony Wilson died this year.
R.I.P.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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Jadian said: You guys are right though, they shouldn't FORCE your money away from you. The fact that you guys aren't WILLING to give part of your money to people less fortunate than you is sad though. I've lived on the rich side of the fence, I know how they think, and it disgusted me to the point where I'm not even in contact with that side of my family anymore, and I gave up the financial blanket I could be covered with.
I give to charity quite often. I also help out friends and family members who need help. But, even if somebody is rich and selfish neither I, you, nor the government has a right to step in and tell them what to do with their resources. A person's right to their property and wealth which was gained through work, investment, or inheritance takes precedence over forcing altruism upon society through taxation.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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TheFakeSunRa said: Looking to the free market to solve our social problems is the biggest fantasyland bullshit there is.
this is probably the most uneducated statement I have ever read on these forums
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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So, a socialized health care system that is run by a government is fucked up and refuses to pay for treatment for this guy? I'm not surprised. Nor am I surprised when I hear about people dying because they were put on massive waiting lists in these countries because of scarce resources in the health care system.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
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this is probably the most uneducated statement I have ever read on these forums
Go re-read some of your posts in this thread then
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said: So, a socialized health care system that is run by a government is fucked up and refuses to pay for treatment for this guy? I'm not surprised. Nor am I surprised when I hear about people dying because they were put on massive waiting lists in these countries because of scarce resources in the health care system.
I can agree with you that it's not going to be a system that will be able to be implemented fairly or effectively in America. It's the attitude of the people against it more than anything that bothers me. I can totally agree that anything our government tries to touch on a national level basically turns to shit.
It should be in the individuals hands to keep themselves as physically fit and healthy as possible, that's what I'm doing and even though I have all kinds of health insurance I never use it because I keep myself healthy and hate, HATE dealing with the insurance companies. I just think the attitude of "my money is more important than your life" is really fucked up.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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You must be a monk who has given up all possessions. Either that or a hypocrite. So how much did you steal from Little Jimmy's transplant fund when you bought that bong and that ounce of chronic? Real questions for a real world.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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It should be in the individuals hands to keep themselves as physically fit and healthy as possible, that's what I'm doing
Written by someone who currently has "stoned" for his mood.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Redstorm]
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are you serious. from what ive read, "They" can do anything they want. From building voting machines that can be hacked by a black berry - to tossing out absentee ballots
- Its the Golden Rule - the One with the gold, rules.
Bullshit. If that is the case then how did the Dems take the legislative branch?
if im not mistaken, you need 67 votes to win - and we (dems) have 51. So, winning is a semantic argument unless its a majority win.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: zappaisgod]
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Don't have a bong and I grow my pot myself. I believe people should give within their means. I'm not a monk but I sure as hell could happily live as one. I don't have much, trust me. I'm living with two other people in a small, cheap, one bed-room apartment because I'm paying my way through college and this is the best we can do. I'm trying to become a nutritionist, or a healthy life style trainer, or something that's actually going to allow people to help themselves in this country because nobody else WANTS TO HELP ANYONE.
So don't act like I'm some spoiled little bitch spending his money on drugs and then telling people to spend their money on others. You don't know me or my situation, or you'd feel like a jackass for insinuating such (Which you should but people like you have no social conscience to begin with).
If ANYONE came to me and asked for help with something I could do, I'd oblige them. If they came asking me for helping them create a more healthy life-style or wanted to learn about martial arts, I'm more than happy to help them out. I don't have money to throw at people but I have knowledge I'm more than willing and able to pass around, and you can ask any of the multiple people that I have helped that.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: zappaisgod]
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It should be in the individuals hands to keep themselves as physically fit and healthy as possible, that's what I'm doing
Written by someone who currently has "stoned" for his mood.
As a matter of fact I could pass a drug test right now. I haven't smoked pot for quite some time at the moment. Just because I haven't changed my mood icon since it was implemented doesn't mean you know a goddamn thing about me.
I can promise you I'm leagues above you in physical fitness and physical/mental health. If I so chose to supplement my life with pot, what's that matter to you who thinks having more money or material possessions is more important than helping other people who don't have a leg to stand on?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: So how much did you steal from Little Jimmy's transplant fund when you bought that bong and that ounce of chronic?
hahahaha
Sorry Jadian, but I feel a need to interject a point here. Every person I have ever talked to who railed against "The System", money, consumerism, rich people, and selfishness and how we should all love each other and the poor should be given tons of free stuff....not a single one of them gave to charity. They spent all of their money on weed and stupid shit.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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I'll bet you my nose looks way better than yours.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Agreed. That's how a lot of my friends are. They sing about unity, peace, helping mankind, the corrupt government, etc. Great musicians, lousy at practicing what they preach. They spend $50+ a night on alcohol and sell pot so they can "smoke blunts" all day long.
How can you expect the average lower class citizen to give away a large % of their income to charity when you yourself gets queasy at the thought of giving away some of your money into health care for the underprivileged?
If I had a huge disposable income I'd do the best I could with it, but I think spreading knowledge is far more important than throwing a 10$ bill into the collection cups outside of Walmart.
I'm not your normal person. I believe in the teaching a man to fish as opposed to giving him a fish sort of deal. I'll probably never have enough money to give $1000's to charity or personally pay to help some kid with cancer (Unless my father, the millionaire, decides to put me BACK into his will, which he's expressed several times will never happen because of my particular ideals).
Money just isn't the driving factor in deciding what I do with my life, so I probably will always just have enough to get by, or learn to get by on what I have.
And I'm still happy, go figure.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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Jadian said: You guys are right though, they shouldn't FORCE your money away from you. The fact that you guys aren't WILLING to give part of your money to people less fortunate than you is sad though. I've lived on the rich side of the fence, I know how they think, and it disgusted me to the point where I'm not even in contact with that side of my family anymore, and I gave up the financial blanket I could be covered with.
When people start caring about money more than people there is something FUCKED UP there.
That is very ignorant and presumptuous of you. Just because people don't believe in government coerced charity doesn't mean they are against voluntary charity.
I haven't given much in money to charities this year due to financial problems and the fact that I'm saving for my master's degree next year, I have donated 200+ hours this year between volunteering at a food kitchen down the street from my old apt. and tutoring underprivileged kids.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Agreed. My nose has taken too many punches to be considered up there next to your right off the assembly line piece.
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are you serious. from what ive read, "They" can do anything they want. From building voting machines that can be hacked by a black berry - to tossing out absentee ballots
- Its the Golden Rule - the One with the gold, rules.
Bullshit. If that is the case then how did the Dems take the legislative branch?
if im not mistaken, you need 67 votes to win - and we (dems) have 51. So, winning is a semantic argument unless its a majority win.
No, it is not a semantic argument. If those in power control the votes, why let the Dems win at all? The Rep's had the WH and the Legislative. Now they only have the WH, which essentially gridlocks the system, preventing them from passing pretty much anything they wanted to.
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Jadian said: The fact that you guys aren't WILLING to give part of your money to people less fortunate than you is sad though. I've lived on the rich side of the fence, I know how they think, and it disgusted me to the point where I'm not even in contact with that side of my family anymore, and I gave up the financial blanket I could be covered with.
When people start caring about money more than people there is something FUCKED UP there.
I honestly don't have the resources to help everyone. You get to a point where you're tired of it. You take care of home first and show compassion where it will be recieved with appreciation. I think I can manage my compassion better than the government.
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Redstorm said: I haven't given much in money to charities this year due to financial problems and the fact that I'm saving for my master's degree next year, I have donated 200+ hours this year between volunteering at a food kitchen down the street from my old apt. and tutoring underprivileged kids.
Well good for you, I'm sure a lot of people are really thankful that you did that kind of work. I'm not asking people to give up money they don't have, I sure as hell don't have any extra to throw away.
So you only care for the people you can physically see yourself helping then? Are you one of those people who only does the charity work so they can tell everyone how generous they are later on?
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Jadian said: Are you one of those people who only does the charity work so they can tell everyone how generous they are later on?
How can you possibly expect people to take you seriously in a debate when you say shit like this?
Do you always resort to making random personal attacks about people you've never met, when they present a case to counter an argument of yours?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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That's me. I do it only so that I can have some ammunition in Shroomery debates like this.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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You tried to generalize. And then we provide proof otherwise, we are "one of those people..."
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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I don't care about telling people I do community service, but I am doing it for somewhat selfish means. All the service I do is always in a community I reside it (either neighborhood, city, or state) in order to improve the community that I live in. This not only helps others, but keeping homeless people fed and helping inner-city kids get educated cuts down on crime where I live and hopefully will help those kids become productive members of society one day.
I'll be the first to admit that I volunteer for partially selfish reason, but it's not the same selfish reasons most choose for doing it. I also have no problem with selfishness as long as it's being selfish merely to intentionally spite someone else.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Jadian said: Are you one of those people who only does the charity work so they can tell everyone how generous they are later on?
That's me. I do it only so that I can have some ammunition in Shroomery debates like this.
i only do charity work so i can laugh at all people less fortunate than me, which gets me off
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Redstorm]
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are you serious. from what ive read, "They" can do anything they want. From building voting machines that can be hacked by a black berry - to tossing out absentee ballots
- Its the Golden Rule - the One with the gold, rules.
Bullshit. If that is the case then how did the Dems take the legislative branch?
if im not mistaken, you need 67 votes to win - and we (dems) have 51. So, winning is a semantic argument unless its a majority win.
No, it is not a semantic argument. If those in power control the votes, why let the Dems win at all? The Rep's had the WH and the Legislative. Now they only have the WH, which essentially gridlocks the system, preventing them from passing pretty much anything they wanted to.
so, you are telling me that our Republican president gets "nothing"he wants because the Dems have control?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Redstorm]
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I'll be the first to admit that I volunteer for partially selfish reason, but it's not the same selfish reasons most choose for doing it. I also have no problem with selfishness as long as it's being selfish merely to intentionally spite someone else.
I still think what you're doing is great regardless of why you're doing it. And I think it's funny how you're the only person who maturely responded to my honest question and didn't take it as the personal attack some people think it was.
You're one of the people I can respect on the other side of this debate. Improving your community is a great way to start the kind of attitude that can help improve the rest of the country too.
As to what I bolded,
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Maybe not nothing, but a minuscule amount compared to if the Rep.'s held the Legislative.
You still haven't answered: if whoever is in power holds the votes, why let the Dems win? Also, if whoever is in power holds the votes, why are incumbents ever defeated?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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Jadian said: Are you one of those people who only does the charity work so they can tell everyone how generous they are later on?
How can you possibly expect people to take you seriously in a debate when you say shit like this?
Do you always resort to making random personal attacks about people you've never met, when they present a case to counter an argument of yours?
Are you one of those people who always hop into discussions way over your head?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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Mod note to all - I gave Zappa a 1 day cooling off ban from the Pub for the flame "you enormously pompous fascist" so lets all keep the discussion respectful, even if we strongly disagree.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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Thanks. I have no problem debating like adults with those who I disagree with. Being allowed to think others are wrong, but to still let them talk (and to actually listen to them) is what this country is founded on.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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Everyone listen up! I have some sad truth: Both the public and private sectors suck and no one has any viable alternatives.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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That wasn't a flame. Fascist??? or the pompous???
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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Now you're thinking realistically!
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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Yeah I really didn't feel offended or anything by that, I think the ban was rather unnecessary.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Mod note to all - I gave Zappa a 1 day cooling off ban from the Pub for the flame "you enormously pompous fascist" so lets all keep the discussion respectful, even if we strongly disagree.
Lol... zappa got banned for calling someone ELSE a facist????? Usually he's the one getting blamed for being that.
Zappa's not a facist... just a horrid asshole.. isn't that right, zappa?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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Arguing over the internet like this is pointless. We're all fucking losers.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7835885 - 01/05/08 02:38 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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But we're losers with very strong opinions!
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Naaaa..... this argument at least had one good outcome. Zappa got banned. That's some funny shit. Usually in the politics forums he's the one calmly asserting his opinion , the calmness which causes other people to flip out and get banned.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7835893 - 01/05/08 02:40 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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FREE ZAPPA !!!
Down with WS (power hungry mod)
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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Yeah now we'll have to argue in the sports forum with code words taken from football games or something.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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Yea I second that... Zappa make things interesting.
Free all boobia jumaZAPPA!
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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Don't make me Sean Taylor your ass! haha
Can zappa still get in the politics forum?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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It's not fair that coaches have to call all the plays. If we just socialized the play calling to general managers then all teams would be on equal terms and no teams would be excluded from health... err penalties.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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Wiccan brought the smackdown! Isn't it ironic that a flamer banned someone for flaming?
Uh oh...Wiccan's going to ban me too for that.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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It's one day off the Pub
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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Seriuosly??? 
Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and social interests subordinate to the interests of the state or party. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, racial, religious attributes.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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Fascist!
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said: Maybe not nothing, but a minuscule amount compared to if the Rep.'s held the Legislative.
You still haven't answered: if whoever is in power holds the votes, why let the Dems win?
The Dems can't pass anything because the President vetos the bills. - we dont have enough votes to override anything, so these Republican laws are being passed in the middle of the night. also dems are just lazy people as well,and they dont read the bills before. they vote on them,so its everybodys fault, ergo who cares who "wins"
Also, if whoever is in power holds the votes, why are incumbents ever defeated?
I dont remember saying voting doesnt count - i just was stating how the system is set up to allow these travesties of justice go unhindered. why are companies allowed to scoop up govt contracts,and make faulty equipment?
arent we on the same side here?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Cowgold]
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Cowgold said: Seriuosly??? 
Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and social interests subordinate to the interests of the state or party. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, racial, religious attributes.
By that definition I'd label most democrats and republicans are facists.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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Yeah I just ripped it off wiki. haha. Still, calling someone a fascist isn't a flame. Funny he got banned for it, but it's not a flame.
I think WS just wanted to be a part of the discussion.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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StreetFreak said: Oh, and fuck universal healthcare and the uninformed that support it.
I'm FOR universal health acre, but for financial reasons, not humanitarian. I think that most uninsured people will EVENTUALLY get their own insurance down the road.. and when they finally get insurance after 40 years of never getting checked up.. they'll cost the system even more because they never had their problems caught at an early stage and they'll be an EVEN bigger burden..
I don't mind spending a few extra bucks a month if it means I'll save 100 bucks a month in health insurance premiums.
That's just a theory though... But I think your view is very narrow. You assume that just because someone is FOR universal health care that
(a) That the health system will be RUN by the gov't. Just because the gov't hands out food stamps doesn't mean they run the grocery stores.
(b) That someone can be for health care because they need the gov't to take care of them. The only reason I'm for it is because I think I'll be spending less in monthly premiums than I will in taxes for universal health care.
It would be nice if university or would do some research on the latter hypothesis though
that right there is the problem with your country...its that same selfish attitude "whatever benefits me best is the best route" so if your in power would you be a snake?...lie and fuck over the ppl you govern to line your own pocket??? based on your reasoning its hard to imagine anything but
its hard for me too imagine america rising above its current state because so many seem to fall into this "me me me me $$$$$$$" mindset
I'm not saying ALL americans fall under this category...some of the greatest ppl I know are american...but seems as tho this attitude is in the mainstream and is at least partly the source of your problems
change "me me me" into "we we we" and by "we" I don't mean the government...make them earn those fuckin tax $ and whenever you notice them slippin out of line make them change things to better benifit YOUR PPL not YOURSELF
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Cowgold]
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Flame 13. Computer Slang. to send an angry, critical, or disparaging electronic message.
Calling someone an enormously pompous fascist would be a flame.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Iamthewalrus]
#7835973 - 01/05/08 03:02 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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What? How does wanting to save people money make me a snake? I don't follow your reasoning?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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read my edit maybe it'll clear things up
I didn't call you a snake but I did say that putting money ahead of ppl is a big part of the problem in your country and that your attitude seems to fall in line with that
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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Looked to me like a description of the opposition's debate.
You know... Kind of like, "you are a very big time republican. "
I just think it's funny you draw the line at facism after all the other junk that's posted. Are you hot for zappa, or what?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Iamthewalrus]
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Iamthewalrus said: read my edit maybe it'll clear things up
I didn't call you a snake but I did say that putting money ahead of ppl is a big part of the problem in your country and that your attitude seems to fall in line with that
Putting money ahead of people? I'm not talking about ME making money off of anything. I'm talking about trying to save ALL americans money. More money in Americans' pockets is a good thing.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Cowgold]
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Context is everything.
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I'll use MY money to buy any god damn thing I want, you enormously pompous fascist. How much money did you steal from his transplant fund when you bought that bong?
That's not assessing someone's political stance, it's flipping your lid. A Fascist is a political person, a fascist is a disparaging term.
It's a flame.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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I don't see how it's a flame when it was directed at me and I didn't take it as such, but whatever I'm not a mod
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
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You can do what you want with your ban stick. Don't have to explain yourself to me.
You should tell us Americans...
Maybe if everyone invested in gold, then we'd all be rich enough to afford our own health care.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
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It was an unsuccessful flame, as you took no offense, but a flame it was.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: rubixcubies]
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I would like to fling Hillary to Mars
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Remind me when the amnesty for illegal aliens bill which Bush was pushing for with all his might got passed. Or his social security reforms.
Take your time.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Phred]
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Redstorm]
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i answered you already.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Redstorm]
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Who are you, Socrates?
You haven't answered me yet. All you did was ask me a question.
You said:
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are you serious. from what ive read, "They" can do anything they want. From building voting machines that can be hacked by a black berry - to tossing out absentee ballots
If the Republicans have so much power over election results, why let the Democrats take the House and Senate?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Redstorm]
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Mod note to all - I gave Zappa a 1 day cooling off ban from the Pub for the flame "you enormously pompous fascist" so lets all keep the discussion respectful, even if we strongly disagree.
Lol... zappa got banned for calling someone ELSE a facist????? Usually he's the one getting blamed for being that.
Zappa's not a facist... just a horrid asshole.. isn't that right, zappa?
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ChairmanMeow
Just strange, thanks.



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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7841342 - 01/06/08 08:54 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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i'm getting the fuck out of dodge early. moving to germany in the spring. unfortunately they also have unfavorable shroom laws. turns out it's pretty tough finding anyplace that isn't incredibly douchebaggy about drugs. but at least deutschland isn't run by christian fundamentalists.
and hopefully it'll stay that way.
my first post. how ya doin. guess what, i'm a total n00b at shr00ms too. had some salvia a while ago. am now arranging my first shroom trip. reading everything i can. advice appreciated, though. esp. what type of shroom is good to start with.
thanks...
-------------------- Monday Night Weirdness! Episode 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 "The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom." - William Blake, Proverbs of Hell from The Marriage of Heaven and Hell.
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Cowgold
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: ChairmanMeow]
#7842791 - 01/07/08 09:33 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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Portabella
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ChairmanMeow
Just strange, thanks.



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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Cowgold]
#7843264 - 01/07/08 11:51 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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wah WAH. yeah, the high off that veggie burger the other day was unbelievable. thanks for the hot tip.
Edited by ChairmanMeow (01/07/08 11:53 AM)
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Cowgold
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: ChairmanMeow]
#7843360 - 01/07/08 12:26 PM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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No problem. :tipshat:
You should post in the psychedelic experiences forum. Give a trip report.
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