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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7835527 - 01/05/08 01:10 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: Looking to the free market to solve our social problems is the biggest fantasyland bullshit there is.
You need to concentrate on your own self and making sure that YOU are not a burden before you go worrying about being Robin Hood. Social problems? What crap. Subsidizing losers does nothing but create more losers. There's some free market reality fer ya.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7835533 - 01/05/08 01:12 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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All universal healthcare would do is encourage people to be unhealthy. I will not pay for an obese persons insulin because they spent 40 years laying on the couch eating mcdonalds.
Anyways, my vote will probobly be sent towards Obama in the primaries. If Huckabee wins we are just one step closer to bringing church and state together. And christian zealots are nearly as bad as muslim extremists.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: teaparty]
#7835541 - 01/05/08 01:14 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Yeah, it's too bad that the Republican party has been perverted by the Christian wackos and over-spending interventionists.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: teaparty]
#7835543 - 01/05/08 01:14 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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At least the muslim extremist kill themselves. THe christian zealots can learn a thing or two from them.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7835550 - 01/05/08 01:16 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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God forbid you can't have your nose job or a fucking 3000$ leather couch because some poor kid needs a liver transplant. But hey priorities are priorities right?
This is really where humanity is heading I guess. Hope people in the afterlife really like that new nose of yours.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
#7835556 - 01/05/08 01:18 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Jadian said: God forbid you can't have your nose job or a fucking 3000$ leather couch because some poor kid needs a liver transplant. But hey priorities are priorities right?
This is really where humanity is heading I guess. Hope people in the afterlife really like that new nose of yours.
WTF? Who is getting a nosejob?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: teaparty]
#7835577 - 01/05/08 01:21 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Mr. "Waaah they want to take my money away that I'm using so superficially to try to make the country a better place."
I've just been surrounded by these rich assholes my whole life. My dad is the exact same way, his big house and nice cars and fancy clothes are so much more important to him than anything or anybody else. It sickens me people can be so fucking selfish.
Now personally I don't think if health care was socialized it should apply to everybody, because some people are leeches plain and simple and I can agree with the opposition on this. Does that mean I want to sentance every poor, uninsured person to death or a shitty life? Fuck no. It's so easy to make simple steps to improve all aspects of your health that there should be programs for rewarding this.
If you eat a good diet and maintain even a small amount of physical activity on a regular basis (30+ minutes a day 4-5 times a week, something as simple as a brisk walk) your risk level for the 4 biggest killers in the world goes down by hundreds of percents. Even the poorest of the poor can do something like this, but when some shit comes up like somebody breaks a leg on accident or gets hit by a car and they can't take care of themselves, it sickens me that the attitude of these assholes is "Oh well, they should have thought of that before it happened."
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
#7835590 - 01/05/08 01:24 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Jadian said: God forbid you can't have your nose job or a fucking 3000$ leather couch because some poor kid needs a liver transplant. But hey priorities are priorities right?
This is really where humanity is heading I guess. Hope people in the afterlife really like that new nose of yours.
I'll use MY money to buy any god damn thing I want, you enormously pompous fascist. How much money did you steal from his transplant fund when you bought that bong? The poor kid is already covered by the money I gave the gummint.
MOD EDIT: "you enormously pompous fascist"? Wow they don't make many flames like that one anymore. 1 day cooling off from posting in The Pub.
Edited by Wiccan_Seeker (01/05/08 02:28 PM)
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Cowgold]
#7835593 - 01/05/08 01:24 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Cowgold said: If you think the government does anything better than the free market, then you are in fantasyland.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
#7835595 - 01/05/08 01:24 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Jadian said: God forbid you can't have your nose job or a fucking 3000$ leather couch because some poor kid needs a liver transplant. But hey priorities are priorities right?
This is really where humanity is heading I guess. Hope people in the afterlife really like that new nose of yours.
Bill Gates has a lot more money than I do and is capable of living a life I can only dream of. Should I have his money? Nope.
My lot in life is my lot in life. I don't take anything from anybody else. Whether I have money or whether I don't have money will not impact this sentiment of mine.
We are not talking about one kid getting a transplant (which would probably be covered by Medicaid anyway). We are talking about a massive overhaul of our health care system which would result in the American populace being forced to give up a significant amount of its wealth, to accept whatever health care the government gave out, and to have absolutely no say in health care matters from then on. It is economic tyranny plain and simple and it makes me sick to my stomach to contemplate.
P.S. If that kid needed a liver transplant in one of the "free health care" countries like Canada or the UK there is a very good chance that he would die because their systems do not have the amount of doctors nor the equipment that the U.S. has. But, if you want that shit you have to pay for it. Life isn't fair. Is it the government's right or responsibility to steal people's money to attempt to rectify that?
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
#7835618 - 01/05/08 01:27 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Jadian said: Mr. "Waaah they want to take my money away that I'm using so superficially to try to make the country a better place."
Being forced into programs that I do not agree with and being economically beholden to the state is not a better world; it is socialism run amok and it is nearing economic fascism.
And what would happen if all health care was nationalized, controlled, and paid for with taxes? Would health care in this country become as shitty as public education is in this country? Anytime the government touches anything it costs a lot of money and the end result is of sub-standard quality.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7835623 - 01/05/08 01:29 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: This libertarian crap on the Shroomery is such a bunch of rich kid suburban bullshit.
Hah! And what are you?
I'm Libertarian.. I live in an Urban area.. I'm 28..and I pay my own bills.. BARELY. I'm far from what you'd call a "rich suburban kid".
So anyone who has ideas DIFFERENT FROM YOU is bullshit? That's very open minded of you. You're so open minded that you think anyone who disagrees with you is evil.
I'm going to start the "TheFakeSunRa" fan club. Our members will all strive to be as perfect and all knowing as you.
Edited by BrAiN (01/05/08 01:40 PM)
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7835625 - 01/05/08 01:29 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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BrAiN said: Just to play devil's advocate here: I'd like to see what you say if you wake up tommorrow with cancer and your insurance charges you a $200,000 deductable for the million dollars worth of treatment you might end up getting.
If I didn't have the money then I'd try to borrow it. If I couldn't borrow it then I'd die. Life sucks don't it?
Can't argue with that
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7835632 - 01/05/08 01:30 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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You guys are right though, they shouldn't FORCE your money away from you. The fact that you guys aren't WILLING to give part of your money to people less fortunate than you is sad though. I've lived on the rich side of the fence, I know how they think, and it disgusted me to the point where I'm not even in contact with that side of my family anymore, and I gave up the financial blanket I could be covered with.
When people start caring about money more than people there is something FUCKED UP there.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7835655 - 01/05/08 01:37 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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To play advocate for those against universal health care, thinking that socialized medicine has plenty of problems.. I give you the following scenario about TONY WILSON.. the founder of Factory records (Joy division, happy mondays, new order, etc).
From wiki:
After developing renal cancer, Wilson's doctors recommended he take the drug Sunitinib (aka Sutent), the £3,500 per month cost of which was not funded by the Manchester Primary Care Trust. He was turned down by the NHS, while patients being treated alongside him at the Christie Hospital and living just a few miles away in Cheshire received funding for the therapy.
A number of Wilson's music industry friends, including former Happy Mondays manager Nathan McGough and their current manager, Elliot Rashman, formed a fund to help pay for Wilson's medical treatment.[7]
Wilson said: "This [Sutent] is my only real option. It is not a cure but can hold the cancer back, so I will probably be on it until I die ... When they said I would have to pay £3,500 for the drugs each month, I thought where am I going to find the money? I'm the one person in this industry who famously has never made any money ... I used to say some people make money and some make history, which is very funny until you find you can't afford to keep yourself alive ... I've never paid for private healthcare because I'm a socialist. Now I find you can get tummy tucks and cosmetic surgery on the NHS but not the drugs I need to stay alive. It is a scandal."[8]
... that's the UK's system as well. Socialist but still corrupt.
Tony Wilson died this year.
R.I.P.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Jadian]
#7835657 - 01/05/08 01:37 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Jadian said: You guys are right though, they shouldn't FORCE your money away from you. The fact that you guys aren't WILLING to give part of your money to people less fortunate than you is sad though. I've lived on the rich side of the fence, I know how they think, and it disgusted me to the point where I'm not even in contact with that side of my family anymore, and I gave up the financial blanket I could be covered with.
I give to charity quite often. I also help out friends and family members who need help. But, even if somebody is rich and selfish neither I, you, nor the government has a right to step in and tell them what to do with their resources. A person's right to their property and wealth which was gained through work, investment, or inheritance takes precedence over forcing altruism upon society through taxation.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7835669 - 01/05/08 01:40 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: Looking to the free market to solve our social problems is the biggest fantasyland bullshit there is.
this is probably the most uneducated statement I have ever read on these forums
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
#7835678 - 01/05/08 01:42 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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So, a socialized health care system that is run by a government is fucked up and refuses to pay for treatment for this guy? I'm not surprised. Nor am I surprised when I hear about people dying because they were put on massive waiting lists in these countries because of scarce resources in the health care system.
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
#7835682 - 01/05/08 01:45 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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StreetFreak said:
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TheFakeSunRa said: Looking to the free market to solve our social problems is the biggest fantasyland bullshit there is.
this is probably the most uneducated statement I have ever read on these forums
Go re-read some of your posts in this thread then
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7835688 - 01/05/08 01:46 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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