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OfflineMrBump
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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: BrAiN]
    #7833022 - 01/04/08 06:35 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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Zinglons Acolyte said:
rofl i saw chuck norris
and i was like WTF IS THAT CHUCK NORRIS
hes aging =/




This just in.. Mike Huckabee hates I <3 Huckabees






Wow, Huckabee and I have ONE thing in common, that movie blows.


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #7833053 - 01/04/08 06:47 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

And there's a problem here? the way i see it is if he's really half of what they make him out to then it could be one of the best things to happen to this country if he was to get elected in a long time. but if he's anything less or a phony then it could spell impending disaster for everyone involved. just my two cents


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
    #7833189 - 01/04/08 07:22 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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I can guarantee you if any poor person goes to the hospital with an emergency they will be taken care of whether they can pay for it or not.





Oh really? I'm Dutch. Suppose suddenly an artery ruptures. I call an ambulance, it comes, takes me to emergency, they do their thing, immediate emergency surgery and three days later I'm out of the hospital.
No bills.

An American would get a bill for thousands of dollars. A poor American with no insurance will be in debt for months and months on end to pay for that very same emergency.

Here on the Shroomery every once in a while we have people who are seriously sick for whatever reason and who refuse to go see a doctor because they cannot afford it.

And that's ALWAYS anb American. Never a Canadian, Briton or Dutchman.

The richest country in the world and they do not take care of their own. That is sickening.


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Get a fucking clue.





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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: razmablues]
    #7833252 - 01/04/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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universal healthcare could work, and is working in many countries, such as canada, UK, australia, and many others. and you could also express your views with some knowledge rather than plain hatred.

ps. if you have additional thoughts you can edit it into 1 post, you don't need 3 repetitive posts.




lol why is it that the people in those countries that have decent money come to the U.S. for healthcare? Because those systems encourage shitty healthcare by doctors. I know what I'm talking about, and am just being blunt. I really don't feel like a 5 day debate on why we shouldn't have universal healthcare, but hopefully you can just take my word for it.


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
    #7833277 - 01/04/08 07:37 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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I can guarantee you if any poor person goes to the hospital with an emergency they will be taken care of whether they can pay for it or not.





Oh really? I'm Dutch. Suppose suddenly an artery ruptures. I call an ambulance, it comes, takes me to emergency, they do their thing, immediate emergency surgery and three days later I'm out of the hospital.
No bills.

An American would get a bill for thousands of dollars. A poor American with no insurance will be in debt for months and months on end to pay for that very same emergency.

Here on the Shroomery every once in a while we have people who are seriously sick for whatever reason and who refuse to go see a doctor because they cannot afford it.

And that's ALWAYS anb American. Never a Canadian, Briton or Dutchman.

The richest country in the world and they do not take care of their own. That is sickening.


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Get a fucking clue.





You do that sir, you do that.




Let me guess, it's the american governments fault too that some people don't have enough money to support themselves? Like I said, if a poor person shows up they WILL get care, and yes the doctors expect them to pay, who the hell wouldn't? But if they reaaaaally can't pay they are usually given a break in one way or another. You may not live in America, but I'm tired of seeing our government grow larger and larger. Just like we "needed" a department of education, and since then the quality of our education has gone down hill. The same thing will happen to medical care. It's not free fucking healthcare, the people do end up fucking paying for it big time. I know many doctors and I've yet to hear or see someone be turned away that needed healthcare because they couldn't pay.

I guess because some peoples utility bills put them in debt the government should provide us with free energy too right? LOL FREE :rolleyes: There's no such thing as "free"


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Asante]
    #7833286 - 01/04/08 07:39 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
That is sickening.





what's sickening is that they take care of most of them, it then falls back on the
rest of us, regardless of what you've been told, there is no free healthcare


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
    #7833305 - 01/04/08 07:45 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

I guess I just don't need big brother taking care of me from cradle to grave, because I don't blow all my cash on drugs and decided to have 5 children by the age 20.

Heres a story from the ER for ya wiccan. This black woman was coming in all the time, having babies left and right. Well finally after only God knows how many babies she had, the doctors wanted to tie her tubes so she wouldn't get pregnant anymore. Her response? "No, because if I have more babies I'll get more money from the government."

Universal healthcare by the government will ultimately be nothing more than a failure. Anybody that actually researches the subject and understands it in depth will find this out themselves. Long live the free market.


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7833337 - 01/04/08 07:56 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

i live in wisconsin, the welfare, poor/ low middle class have coverage thru the state, and its pretty dam good coverage IMO. those w/ families who make 20K a yr or dont have jobs dont really pay into the "system" that allows them this coverage. other tax payers pay for it.

I am fine w/ this, btw, b/c I am for tax payer paid healthcare.

what pisses me off is that its really the middle class that feels the pinch when it comes to private heathcare. the welfare class is covered no problems by the taxpayers, the rich can afford to pay the co-pays and deductables and extra expenses for the things the insurance wont cover.

however, i am paying about $120 a month for my healthcare, i was hospitalized for pancreatitis for 2 1/2 days, and I had to pay almost $2000 for bills that my insurance co wouldnt pay. that was a significant portion of my desposable income.

growing up my father had a good paying job, but we lived fairly lower middle class b/c my mother has Crohns disease, amonst other problems, that would lead the month long hospitalizations, any expendable income went to pay off the bills my dad's company plan woulnd pay.

yet there are many people out there who are, for some reason, able to convince the middle class taht we should be lucky to have things the way they are :sad:


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
    #7833365 - 01/04/08 08:07 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)






Let me guess, it's the american governments fault too that some people don't have enough money to support themselves?




for a free market to work you still need the people on the bottom. the rich need the waiter to serve him his food, the towel jockey to wash his benz, and the ditch digger to dig his grave.

its sounds like you believe that rich people and poor people are where they are in life enirely by choice. life is never that black and white. situations and circumstances can change your status in an instant.


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: MrBump]
    #7833406 - 01/04/08 08:17 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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for a free market to work you still need the people on the bottom. the rich need the waiter to serve him his food, the towel jockey to wash his benz, and the ditch digger to dig his grave.

its sounds like you believe that rich people and poor people are where they are in life enirely by choice. life is never that black and white. situations and circumstances can change your status in an instant.





:congrats:


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: 2FiNiTe]
    #7833510 - 01/04/08 08:44 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

If we could live in a utopian society you don't think I would be down for that? :lol:

What are you a commie? You act like its black in white as in poor people serving the rich. Lol wtf?


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: StreetFreak]
    #7833608 - 01/04/08 09:06 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

you stated that its not the government's fault that there are poor people in a free market, capitalist system, which you are clearly in favor of.

so I pointed out that poor people are in fact an integral part of a free market system.
a poor person can rise up to become a rich and powerful person, just like a rich person can lose it all and end up homeless.

this is why i am for certain socialist programs that act as safety nets, tax payer paid healthcare being one of them. medical bills are a top, if not the top, reason people declare bankrutpcy. certain things that are out of one's control can quickly take down an otherwise productive tax paying member of society.

I am not for perpetual welefare for those that dont want to work a day in their life, but hey, any program like this (or any right - like abortion) created by the goverment is prone to be abused occasionally. it doesnt mean that the program should neccessarily be scrapped or that the right be taken away.

you rail on welfare for the common citizen, while neglecting to bring up the point that in your free market paradise the government also gives out billions in Corporate Welfare.


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7833630 - 01/04/08 09:11 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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3) Of course, he wants to make sure that the poor and uninsured continue to get fucked by millionaire doctors who kickback huge sums to whoring politicians




We don't need universal health care.
Millionaire doctors?? doctors are the ones getting fucked. If anything, politicians need to get the fuck out of trying to deal with health care altogether. I believe it was strom thurman who was either in charge or held a lot of stock in two insurance companies and he was part of the reason why doctors and patients get fucked over so much by insurance companies.

Other than that, I can't stand Huckabee. Aside from his 'cute' name I hope to whatever is out there that this bag of douche doesn't get in.


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: razmablues]
    #7833666 - 01/04/08 09:21 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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universal healthcare could work, and is working in many countries, such as canada, UK, australia, and many others.




Health care there is starting to fall apart

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=X1PRMN4XJXPRHQFIQMGSFGGAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2008/01/02/nhs102.xml


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #7833688 - 01/04/08 09:28 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

It's funny how this prick Huckabee came from absolute nowhere.

Obviously, the Christian Coalition didn't want to go through with Romney so they went to Huckabee. I thought this might be the first election that didn't contain a bible-hugging dogmatic butthead. But, that makes me the butthead of holding such a false hope


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7833703 - 01/04/08 09:33 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

I'm up for whatever changes means that the health insurance system we have now changes. Be it universal health-care or just a class action lawsuit against current insurance companies, they are the lowest of the low when it comes to shady business practices and nobody does a damn thing about it.


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7833732 - 01/04/08 09:43 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Well this thread got highjacked a bit.

I'm just going to move out of the US as soon as possible. It really is a terrible place to live. The money that I earn, goes towards military spending. Lots of it. They spend more on military spending then anything else. It's disgusting.

If Huckabee wins, I will move twice as fast. I really have no motivation to stay in this country anymore. It is fucked to hell.


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7833775 - 01/04/08 09:57 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

I agree I want to leave as well.

But, it sure does seem as if a lot of people have this preconceived notion that other countries don't have any problems and more basic freedoms. In most other countries, you don't have the right to privacy or right to bear arms etc.

It's really give and take with leaving one country for another.


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: mathewww]
    #7833811 - 01/04/08 10:10 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Huckabee is a spend-crazy social conservative. You can't get any worse than that.

Also, you can all go to hell if you think I'm paying for your health care.


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Re: Oh Fuck Me Mike Huckabee [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7833836 - 01/04/08 10:20 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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The money that I earn, goes towards military spending. Lots of it. They spend more on military spending then anything else. It's disgusting.




False.

Basic military spending at the federal level: approximately $500 billion
Military spending on Iraq and Afghanistan: approximately $125-150 billion

Total yearly military spending: $650 billion



Social Security (free check for disabled and old people every month): over $600 billion
Medicaid (free health care for the poor): approximately $350 billion
Medicare (free health care for the old): approximately $400 billion

Total yearly spending at the federal level for the big three entitlement programs: $1.35 trillion

I should note that this does not include how much is spent on food stamps (free food for poor people), HUD (free or subsidized rent for poor people), public education (free education for people up until grade 12), grants for poor people when they go to post-secondary educational institutions, etc...etc..

I'll put this bluntly for the more dense reading this: The U.S. federal government spends more on social programs where poor and old people are given free stuff than it does on the military.


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