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InvisibleIcelander
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Re: We are all perfect [Re: justamonkey]
    #7835463 - 01/05/08 12:56 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

I kind of agree here. Philosophy seems more and more to me like the personalities and personal experiences (nurture) of the proponents of this or that idea. Whoever is most like that person in temperament and experience will resonate with that philosophy whether true (truth being the whole picture) or not.

One good reason I talk about the middle path or a path that tries to embrace the whole of it in one degree or another. It's difficult but not impossible. What is required is an open mind.:whoa:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Icelander]
    #7835675 - 01/05/08 01:41 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

open mind grips but does not conclude


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7835715 - 01/05/08 01:53 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

yeah somethin like that


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Icelander]
    #7835729 - 01/05/08 01:59 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

is it even possible to conclude? i think thats quite DELUSIONARY


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7835733 - 01/05/08 02:00 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

if you conclude.. that is quite a layered mind state, is it not, redgreenvines?


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7835744 - 01/05/08 02:03 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

maybe it is an effort to stop any more addings of layers or fadings of what has accrued in the stream.


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7835764 - 01/05/08 02:07 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

your post begets me to make a conclusive reply, it makes me feel ill


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7835816 - 01/05/08 02:20 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

this is a great thread. thanks for that!

now i'm thinking... it may be that once the power of communication and relationship about the ultimate is thrown into question, and once the metaphors we use to understand the infinite are thrown out, the what's lighting our path loses its luster and we lose vision, and we go into despair. but the psilocybes can work their way through these questions, restructure the metaphors, and fuel that which lights our path. once we recognize the truth that is, we can change the world.

human beings, and all things, are the perfect image of creativity in its infinite procession. I think that's pretty exciting :smile:


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take and give and to move
learn and love and to cry
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Re: We are all perfect [Re: envision227]
    #7836703 - 01/05/08 06:04 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

I do not think we can ever conclude, because there really are no definite answers, every answer that we have every thought to be the answer has gotten us in to trouble and later has been proven to be inconclusive. Change is imminent and therefore there will never be a conclusive answer or a right or wrong.

However, we seem to need some kind of conclusion, some answer, an end. We cannot grasp infinity and cannot always hold a completely open mind. We are raised with concepts if finite natures with beginnings and ends. We know what we like and don't like because we made up our minds about it. I am seeing as I read some of these posts how my mind reacts to them now compared to a few years ago. I tend to skip certain material that disagrees with things that I have concluded on (so to speak)...which is not very open.

...to be continued.

Peace.

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Re: We are all perfect [Re: newmodel]
    #7836752 - 01/05/08 06:15 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

this is true. change is a pretty powerful being.

...an answer is nothing but a "call back", it is not an end. so as long as we keep questioning, a word referring to the "active quest", we will receive calls back, and we can embrace the change.

you're the man.


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: newmodel]
    #7836811 - 01/05/08 06:34 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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However, we seem to need some kind of conclusion, some answer, an end.




Conclusions are for sissies.  :wink:  Whatever I may think about reality, I always tack on the qualifier "for now" or "as of today," because I have seen the shifts and changes in my internal representation of reality over the past four decades. 

I strive to become more accurate in my representation, but do not delude myself with the notion that I can ever fully recreate reality in all its' dimensions and colors.  Our inner portraits of Reality are Impressionistic at best, Abstract at worst.  :lol:


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Veritas]
    #7836942 - 01/05/08 07:11 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Exactly, I do too. I'm saying that I am starting to see and understand how and why people settle on conclusions and limit their vision. Not to say that's the right answer.

Trust those who seek truth. Doubt those who find it.

Peace,

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Re: We are all perfect [Re: newmodel]
    #7838563 - 01/06/08 09:39 AM (16 years, 26 days ago)

My life, is exactly as it should be at this moment....I'm learning what I need to learn by having the life I have right now. We're all perfect. How could we be anything else, if our lives are exactly as they should be?


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Veritas]
    #7838653 - 01/06/08 10:07 AM (16 years, 26 days ago)

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Conclusions are for sissies.




But OrgoneConclusions are for mature women. :wink:


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7842226 - 01/07/08 02:57 AM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Its kind of like a 240 watt electric fence, don't touch it as if you're going to hang on, or you may never let go, not even in death.


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Veritas]
    #7842753 - 01/07/08 09:19 AM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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Veritas said:
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However, we seem to need some kind of conclusion, some answer, an end.




Conclusions are for sissies.  :wink:  Whatever I may think about reality, I always tack on the qualifier "for now" or "as of today," because I have seen the shifts and changes in my internal representation of reality over the past four decades. 

I strive to become more accurate in my representation, but do not delude myself with the notion that I can ever fully recreate reality in all its' dimensions and colors.  Our inner portraits of Reality are Impressionistic at best, Abstract at worst.  :lol:




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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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