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We are all perfect
    #7830732 - 01/04/08 04:50 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Don't let anyone bullshit you. Humans are perfect. You are the very mirror of perfection reflecting the magnificence of the universe without flaw. Look at this image:

This is what you are...star shine. If you feel that things need to change then accepting your perfection will bring about that change.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7830741 - 01/04/08 05:02 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

:heart::sun::heart:


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7831247 - 01/04/08 09:18 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Don't let anyone bullshit you. Humans are perfect. You are the very mirror of perfection reflecting the magnificence of the universe without flaw. Look at this image:

This is what you are...star shine. If you feel that things need to change then accepting your perfection will bring about that change.




You will have to define "perfect" a little better before you get my response. Your use of this word along with others such as magnificence and without flaw are suspect and seem a little anthropomorphic.


Edited by Icelander (01/04/08 09:20 AM)


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Icelander]
    #7831417 - 01/04/08 10:14 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Perfect = Exactly as it should be.

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Anthropomorphism is the attribution of uniquely human characteristics and qualities to nonhuman beings, inanimate objects, or natural or supernatural phenomena.




I don't think that I have done this at all. I am in fact saying that everything...including us is in a state of perfection relevant to the universe. To imply that things are wrong or flawed even when in their natural state is to refuse to accept what is. Only when ego is considered does judgment come into play. Without ego there is only perfection. That is the ultimate reality.


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7831440 - 01/04/08 10:23 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Some of us just happen to be slightly more perfect than others. :sun:


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7831451 - 01/04/08 10:25 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Perfect = Exactly as it should be.






With that definition, I agree with you.


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7831468 - 01/04/08 10:29 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

You got my vote too!  :wink:


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7831519 - 01/04/08 10:44 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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Don't let anyone bullshit you.




How could a fellow human being 'bullshit' another? That seems like imperfect behavior to this reader.


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7831527 - 01/04/08 10:47 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

He said our design is perfect. What we do with our design will definitely not always be perfect. That's the beauty of free will!


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7831564 - 01/04/08 11:00 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Perfect = Exactly as it should be.

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Anthropomorphism is the attribution of uniquely human characteristics and qualities to nonhuman beings, inanimate objects, or natural or supernatural phenomena.




I don't think that I have done this at all. I am in fact saying that everything...including us is in a state of perfection relevant to the universe. To imply that things are wrong or flawed even when in their natural state is to refuse to accept what is. Only when ego is considered does judgment come into play. Without ego there is only perfection. That is the ultimate reality.




While I agree at large. In the personal realm we are always fighting against something or trying to change something (to paraphrase DJ). This is also perfect though in it's imperfection. The yin and yang apply to humanity and maybe not the Universe yet they are the same.

as magnificence

What is magnificent? The Universe? Compared to what? This is what I am talking about. You can't really say the Universe is perfect or imperfect or magnificent or horrifying or meaningful or meaningless without subjectivity relating to it and putting your personal value on it.


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Icelander]
    #7832432 - 01/04/08 03:52 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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You can't really say the Universe is perfect or imperfect or magnificent or horrifying or meaningful or meaningless without subjectivity relating to it and putting your personal value on it.




Thats right. I am putting my personal value on it. Many people choose to live in a universe where mankind is sick and imperfect. I choose the opposite.


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Icelander]
    #7832442 - 01/04/08 03:54 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

the delicate movement of a moment, in which a consciousness begins to subscribe to logistics...

the rational being, upright in it's processes of judgement and appraisal, majestic, free like a saharan beast in hunt, yet in its own predatory cycle, caught in an uproar of its memory and reaction to denounce or assign.
quantifying the most immeasurable beauties becomes absurd.
rationality has limits, and invaluble uses on same time point
^ ^ ^ ^
once again the chemistry of logic pervades, even in oddest contraption
its really a sort of "growth" which promotes its own secretion into the mental frameworking of real-time dimensional travel
accurate in its physical trajectories but sometimes drowning in its constantcy.
When to allow logic to recede and the spirit dissolve into beauty is a delicate intuitive act, and probably doesn't happen for many


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7832588 - 01/04/08 04:31 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Thats right. I am putting my personal value on it.

Anthropomorphism


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7832591 - 01/04/08 04:32 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Many people choose to live in a universe where mankind is sick and imperfect. I choose the opposite.


Both are incorrect IMO.


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7832865 - 01/04/08 05:47 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Don't let anyone bullshit you. Humans are perfect.




I wouldn't say that....
....But I would say that, the experience of being human is as perfect as we could know otherwise....    :thumbup:


>^;;^<


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7832874 - 01/04/08 05:50 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Right. This is an important point. If we thought everything was perfect in a personal sense we wouldn't eat or act or change. But in a Universal sense, IMO, there are no mistakes as everything leads on forever.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Icelander]
    #7832929 - 01/04/08 06:11 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

"Anthropomorphism"

It is helpful to look up the meaning of big words before using them.


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7832983 - 01/04/08 06:27 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Anthropomorphism is the attribution of uniquely human characteristics and qualities to nonhuman beings, inanimate objects, or natural or supernatural phenomena.


Here's the definition you provided.

To say the Universe is "magnificent" is using your human capacity to create an idea of beauty in nature. But nature is not beautiful or Magnificent. It just is. And to say it is magnificent is to give an attribute to nature that is purely human.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: We are all perfect [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7833456 - 01/04/08 08:30 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

just right out there when you are feeling great!
nice!
don't let anyone "conclusion" you into a corner.
'course there is always that perfect bring down that some people are so good at.


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Re: We are all perfect [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7834577 - 01/05/08 06:14 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Philosophy is kind of like hockey, a bunch of guys use words (sticks) to bat around a badly beaten puck (enlightenment) trying like hell to get it past the goalie (skeptics) into the goal (the common person, cheering crowd).

Unfortunately, no one has ever scored in philosophy, though there have been many close calls, generally only the puck knows whats going on.

We humans are great at making analogies, since thats the only way we can communicate. Wouldn't it be nice if we could just straight pipe experience to each other?


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[quote]We don't need anyone to teach us sorcery, because there is really nothing to learn. What we need is a teacher to convince us that there is incalculable power at our fingertips. What a strange paradox! Every warrior on the path of knowledge thinks, at one time or another, that he's learning sorcery, but all he's doing is allowing himself to be convinced of the power hidden in his being, and that he can reach it. [/quote]-Carlos Casteneda


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