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Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada
    #7829237 - 01/03/08 07:44 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada
January 03, 2008 - nationalpost.com

WINDSOR, Ont. -- Canadian-made ecstasy pills laced with crystal meth are being dumped into the U.S., prompting the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy to issue a warning Thursday.

"Certainly we are very concerned about this combo product coming south," said a top official from the Washington office who asked not to be named. "Since this product is popular among the young, it's out there near schools and neighbourhoods. We need people to know this (combined) drug is much more dangerous."

More than 55% of the ecstasy samples seized in the U.S. last year contained methamphetamine, according to the policy office.

Drug enforcement authorities in the U.S. have been working with the RCMP to learn of the origins of the ecstasy-meth combo pills, he said. Both countries have had labs analyze recent drug seizures of the pills.

"It is a significant and large-scale problem and something we are very worried about," the U.S. official said.

John Walters, director of the drug control policy office, called the "extreme ecstasy" a disturbing development.

"Historic progress against ecstasy availability and use is in jeopardy of being rolled back by Canadian criminal organizations," he said on Thursday. "Desperate to develop their client base, they are dangerously altering a product for which demand by youth and young adults had plummeted and are exploiting vulnerabilities along our shared border.

"This is alarming for the youth of both Canada and the United States."

The drug combination of methamphetamine and ecstasy can have severe health consequences, as both have toxic effects on the brain, according to policy office. Together the drugs can interfere with the body's ability to regulate temperature, leading to hyperthermia -- which can result in liver, kidney, cardiovascular system failure and death.

The potential for a life-threatening or fatal overdose is further increased when meth-laced ecstasy is combined with alcohol.

Despite the U.S. warning, the combination of ecstasy and meth on Windsor's streets has not yet been a noticeable problem, according to a Windsor police officer in the drugs, intelligence and guns unit.

Ecstasy has not been much of a problem in Windsor as it has become much more lucrative for traffickers to instead sell in the U.S. where a single pill fetches between $30 and $50 -- up to 10 times the rate on this side of the border, he said.

"It is easier to get the precursors to make the drug in Canada," the Windsor officer said. "It is used here, but when we seize it, there are usually five or 10 pills. The most was 10,000. It gets shipped to [the U.S.] because they can get so much more for it."

China and India have been identified as being nearly the exclusive producers of the chemicals needed to make the street pills, said the U.S. drug authority.

"The chemicals are smuggled into Canada we believe primarily by Asian organized groups," he said. "You have criminal groups with ties to those countries who get the raw ingredients across the border to Canada and that has caused problems for both [Canada and U.S.] populations."

The RCMP estimates that the current combined production capacity of Canadian ecstasy laboratories exceeds two million tablets per week.

Law enforcement agencies along the U.S.-Canada border report large increases in the flow of ecstasy from Canada into the U.S.

In 2003, 568,220 dosage units of ecstasy were seized federally in the northern border states; in 2006, over 5.4 million dosage units were seized.


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: veggie]
    #7829730 - 01/03/08 09:37 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

hell yea, ecstacy fucking sucks these days, everything is either weak or fuckin laced with meth. People need to stop buying pills and starting only settling for molly.


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: veggie]
    #7829816 - 01/03/08 09:55 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Who the fuck is paying $30-50 a pill? Seriously, were the fuck do they get this information?


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: 2859558484]
    #7830944 - 01/04/08 07:38 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

E have been being cut with meth for years.

Many clubbers even prefer a bit of meth in there lol.

I think it sucks because MDMA is beutiful compared to meth.

But my point is this article is bullshit, pills have been getting cut with meth ever since pills existed. At the end of a day a pill can be anything. Often they are cut with caffiene and all sorts this is probably just as dangerous its still a chemical cocktail as opposed to straight MDMA.


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: Ego Death]
    #7831155 - 01/04/08 08:42 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Hmmm legalize it and make the pills pure and safe and make money off of them. And screw over the organized crive that gets funding from the drug sales.


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: fantastical]
    #7831783 - 01/04/08 12:28 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

they dont say what pills they are


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: veggie]
    #7831816 - 01/04/08 12:44 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)



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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: veggie]
    #7834650 - 01/05/08 07:18 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

ya hear that, they saying 55% are methbombs, I bet its higher than that.... The last time I bought a decent pressed pill was in Florida around New Years 2007, and they were the G. =) I would think Molly would be just as easy if not easier to cut though.... However you can acetone wash molly and see truly how much mdma is there. Fuck methbombs i wanna be able to go to sleep and eat the next day


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: veggie]
    #7843577 - 01/07/08 01:33 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

ecstasy laboratories exceeds two million tablets per week.

When are these people going to accept that the flow of drugs will never stop as long as there is demand, and there will always be demand.


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: Diploid]
    #7887282 - 01/16/08 05:16 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

lmao shroom doom

thats what these fucking pills these days make me feel like


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: antimatt3r]
    #7894333 - 01/17/08 06:40 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Source; http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle_blog/2008/jan/07/ecstasy_laced_with_meth_is_bad_b

The Drug Czar is warning everyone about an epidemic of meth-laced ecstasy tablets coming into the country from Canada:

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Alarmingly, more than 55 percent of the Ecstasy samples seized in the United States last year contained methamphetamine. Cutting their product with less-expensive methamphetamine boosts profits for Canadian Ecstasy producers, likely increases the addictive potential of their product, and effectively gives a dangerous “face lift” to a designer drug that had fallen out of fashion with young American drug users.




I'll tell you whose fault this isn't: mine. See, I don't think ecstasy should even be illegal. I don't want it to be manufactured by drug gangs in Canada, or anyone else who might lace it with methamphetamine or other noxious crap. I think it should be manufactured by licensed professionals and sold to adults through regulated outlets. Many people have been saying this for a long time to no avail and now look what's happened.

So if meth-laced ecstasy isn’t my fault, whose fault is it? Ironically, but rather obviously, it is the fault of the exact people who now complain about all the bad ecstasy rolling across our northern border.


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: veggie]
    #10287777 - 05/04/09 11:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

uhhmmmm does anyone else realize that xtc already has meth in it?
MDMA
Methylenedioxymethamphetamine
Methylene
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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: dovxtc32]
    #10288500 - 05/05/09 03:54 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

mdma and meth are totally different dr00gz d00d


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: dovxtc32]
    #10288648 - 05/05/09 05:19 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

> uhhmmmm does anyone else realize that xtc already has meth in it?

No, it does not.  Take some high school chemistry and you will see why your statement is incorrect.  Just because both drugs share the same amphetamine base does not mean much of anything. Look at pseudoephedrine, sold over the counter, as an example.

Besides, the proper name for MDMA is 1-benzo[1,3]dioxol-5-yl-N-methyl-propan-2-amine. Methylenedioxymethamphetamine is a common use synonym.


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: dovxtc32]
    #10288753 - 05/05/09 06:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

does anyone else realize that xtc already has meth in it?

Well, it does in the same way water contains explosively flammable hydrogen. Hydrogen is the "H" in H2O. But the properties that make hydrogen flammable don't exist when it's bound in a water molecule.

Chemistry doesn't work the way you're thinking it does.


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #10289222 - 05/05/09 09:25 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
I'll tell you whose fault this isn't: mine. See, I don't think ecstasy should even be illegal. I don't want it to be manufactured by drug gangs in Canada, or anyone else who might lace it with methamphetamine or other noxious crap. I think it should be manufactured by licensed professionals and sold to adults through regulated outlets. Many people have been saying this for a long time to no avail and now look what's happened.

So if meth-laced ecstasy isn't my fault, whose fault is it? Ironically, but rather obviously, it is the fault of the exact people who now complain about all the bad ecstasy rolling across our northern border.




We regulate the transportation industry, the airplane industry, the food industry, the toy industry, and many others, but not the recreational drug industry...

Bad pills being pressed because of 100% deregulation of the drug market (aka prohibition) benefit the DEA. They have always said pills are deadly, and now they are laced (because of no regulation) and thus more deadly. Now they can say the pills are becoming deadlier, and thus more funds for prohibition are needed, to combat this evil (which they created, but will never tell you that)! I call it the "death-DEA complex".

The DEA will never acknowledge that almost every death due to drugs in the US, from the low-life junkie OD'ing on the street from good heroin or the headline grabbing all-American high school teen who gets a bad batch of E pills, is due to the drug market they refuse to regulate.


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: fapjack]
    #10289341 - 05/05/09 10:00 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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fapjack said:
Who the fuck is paying $30-50 a pill?  Seriously, were the fuck do they get this information?




I've seen pills go for that much. In some places its pretty rare and the people who bring it in exploit that.


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    #10289366 - 05/05/09 10:07 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

^supply and demand. And think: It is estimated that it costs 30 cents to make an E pill.

If you can sell something at 16,666% (50/0.30) profit, is any government intervention going to stop you?


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: Green_T]
    #10289380 - 05/05/09 10:11 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I'm pretty sure that was not the profit. It had to go through several people to get that high.

One of the people I know that sold them to people for that much only did it because he didn't have a regular supplier and he said that thats how much they were worth to him. Pretty sure he got them for like $20.


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Re: Dangerous ecstasy-meth pills flooding into U.S. from Canada [Re: No Agenda]
    #10289451 - 05/05/09 10:29 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

^ True. It does go through several levels from producer to consumer, each time with a price bump. But keep in mind that 16,666% still gets lost to the black market.

Even the first time sale from producer to 1st consumer, if it went for as low as $2 a pill, would still represent over 560% profit. Even the person who buys them for $5 in bulk and sells them for $20 individually earns 300% profit...

Those kinds of profits are rarely seen in legitimate industries of similar scale...


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