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5 Days on Rye... Still no sign
    #7828978 - 01/03/08 07:07 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

As the title says, 5 days and still no sign of mycelium. I've grown a few PFTek cakes but none of them ever fruited. Anyway there is no growth, although it has been in 68-74 degree temps, as the incubator was broken and had to get a new one.

It's the Equadorial strain, if that bears a difference. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance!


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Re: 5 Days on Rye... Still no sign [Re: SportinStyle]
    #7829003 - 01/03/08 07:10 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Patience.


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Re: 5 Days on Rye... Still no sign [Re: SportinStyle]
    #7829063 - 01/03/08 07:18 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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SportinStyle said:
I've grown a few PFTek cakes but none of them ever fruited.




you have never fruited a pf cake and now you are trying rye? hah!!!
You are supposed to master the very easy pf tek first. I do not have much hope for you.

As for it not showing signs of growth yet you should just wait. But since you managed to f up with the pf tek I am sure that you already f'up the rye. Let me guess. You inoculted with a spore syringe and then you pc'ed for 90 mins?


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Re: 5 Days on Rye... Still no sign [Re: tahoe]
    #7829201 - 01/03/08 07:39 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Actually I studied my ass off, on this site and others and learned what I could. I pressure cooked everything involved for 45 minutes, including the jars with substrate for 1 hour and 15 mins. I gave it 2 hours in the fride to cool down and when it was cool to the touch, I inoculated after spraying Oust and donning rubber disposable gloves.

I really am trying, but it's just not happening that well for me. Does it sometimes take a bit for the colonization of rye, even up to 6-7 days for initial mycelium growth?


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Re: 5 Days on Rye... Still no sign [Re: SportinStyle]
    #7829221 - 01/03/08 07:41 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

I even made a martha setup, with the real martha and followed a guide here. Also made an incubator with the fishtank heater and all that. The first cakes did well, then 6 days after full colonization I birthed them and they fruited in a 99% humidity for a week and a half before being moved into the martha. They were also dunked and rolled.

It's very discouraging, seeing as I grow such fine marijuana but cannot even grow a single mushroom.


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Re: 5 Days on Rye... Still no sign [Re: SportinStyle]
    #7829234 - 01/03/08 07:43 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

it can take up to 20+ days for germination and signs of growth.
What type of seal/lid are you using on your jars? What are you using for fresh air exchange in your jars?

I know what your problem is just by reading a few sentences. You are impatient. You are supposed to let your jars cool in the pc. When they cool they form a vacuum and draw in the outside air which is full or mold/bacteria. Your fridge is even worst. Total bad Idea!
But of course you have read everything and you already knew this


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Re: 5 Days on Rye... Still no sign [Re: tahoe]
    #7829240 - 01/03/08 07:44 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

mushrooms are harder to grow than pot


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Re: 5 Days on Rye... Still no sign [Re: tahoe]
    #7829269 - 01/03/08 07:50 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Hmm. Next time I will note all that. Thanks.

So I suppose I'll sit tight with my jars and wait. Any recommendations on a good beginner Tek (not PF please) and strain?


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Re: 5 Days on Rye... Still no sign [Re: SportinStyle]
    #7829276 - 01/03/08 07:51 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

what did you use as a lid for your jars??? this is important.


AS for beginner stuff, get a portabella kit form these guys and learn about the correct casing moisture content

www.mushroomadventures.com


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Stop experimenting half way through your first grow. Grow it to maturity, watch it, learn from it. Do this a few times then experiment with different ideas and figure out what works best for you.


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Re: 5 Days on Rye... Still no sign [Re: tahoe]
    #7829468 - 01/03/08 08:36 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

No lid, just the jar lid itself and a layer of alluminum.

Bad, right?


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Re: 5 Days on Rye... Still no sign [Re: SportinStyle]
    #7829515 - 01/03/08 08:48 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Rye, Bitches, Rye!!! - - Do this.

Why did you skip the lid? When you do these teks and are starting out, you need to do everything just like instructed. You seem to have done that with the FC, but decided to cut corners when it came to the actual growing. Don't cool shit in the fridge, just wait. Use jar lids, not aluminum. Be patient. Wait longer. This is the easiest stuff in the world if you follow in the footsteps of people who know way more than you or I do. Follow the tek.


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Re: 5 Days on Rye... Still no sign [Re: thedefone]
    #7829549 - 01/03/08 08:57 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

wow, stop right there.

U cooled the jars down in the refrigerator!!!!

Cooling them down rapidly can introduce contamination into the jars, rapidly cooling can suck contaminated air threw the inoculation holes. Its best to let cool and depreserise naturaly, then transfer straight from the pressure cooker to glovebox.

Also cube strain is not important, they all grow and fruit within the same conditions. WAtch rr videos on you tube. Search for lets grow.
mushrooms and watch all 4 videos.

Make a glovebox, simple and effective. The pf tek is really easy if you have sterilised your substrate right and let it cool naturaly your only vector for contamination is introduced at inoculation either threw a dirty syringe or in open air inoculations.

I highly recomend a glovebox, since i started using one my success rate went from 1 out of 4 jars at a time to 4/4.

Patience is the key, growing plants is much different to mushrooms.

The reason being that methods that we use to grow not only favour the growth of mushroom mycelium but many other contaminents. We need to make sure that only our desired fungus grows and not any others. And since contaminants are microscopic its very easy for them to make there way into our projects.

Since you can grow weed so easily then u must know why contaminatio isnt so much of an issue with plants (and i know some considered contams to mushrooms are benificial to plants am i right in thinking so)


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Re: 5 Days on Rye... Still no sign [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7829661 - 01/03/08 09:25 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Thanks guys!

Any hope in still saving this grow, by adding lids? Better now than never?

Also, I did do that rye grow but skipped the lid part. I didn't have any idea where to get it.


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Re: 5 Days on Rye... Still no sign [Re: SportinStyle]
    #7829681 - 01/03/08 09:28 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Thought i should use this quote again as it is sort of relevant

Quote:

Wild swings in temperature cause air exchanges between the jars and the outside. If the changes are rapid, they can easily be too much for the filtering material, especially if only dry verm is used. I don't recommend incubators, but find a nice room that holds at least to within five degrees or so. 75F to 81F is ideal. Above that, the returns are not worth the increased rate of contamination that will be experienced.
RR




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Re: 5 Days on Rye... Still no sign [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7830147 - 01/03/08 10:56 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

I can spot these rookies doing stupid shit a mile away. Growing mushrooms isnt that hard if you follow the instructions and do not jump the gun.
Lord? Why me?


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