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awesomebastard
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high does of ayuahasca
#7828091 - 01/03/08 03:52 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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so im thinking, my lack of lsd is pissin me off and i currently have around 700 grams of mimosa hostilis and about 95 grams of syrian rue last time i took about 20 grams of aya but am considering around 30 to 40 with about 6 grams of rue any thoughts?
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Sra_sephiroth0
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do you know anything about rue thats way to much taking more rue is never going to give you greater dmt like effects, infact it can weaken and even block out dmt effects. the key is taking the minimal amount of maoi so that the MAO is inhibited. any who you said 20g of aya so you mean vine?
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awesomebastard
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no i mean mimosa but thats very interesting about the rue i had no idea in fact i have heard that more is better ill just stick to the 1.5 an hour before and 1.5 at the same time thanks.
and i realize that this is not ayahausca but mimoshausca or whatever who cares?
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notapillow
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there is no resson to take that much rue unless you like cramps and puking blood
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Re: high does of ayuahasca [Re: notapillow]
#7828496 - 01/03/08 05:45 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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dmt in the butt, no need for an maoi
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putting 40 grams of mimosa in your ass would be MUCH worse than ingesting 6 grams of rue.
however, 40 grams of mimosa, and 6 grams of rue would be insane. I take it from your large quantity of mimosa and rue that you have tried ayahuasca before?
You would be destroyed. 20 grams of mimosa is considered a preeeetty decent dose for most. I couldn't imagine taking 30-40 grams of mimosa. That would be insane.
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Re: high does of ayuahasca [Re: Meat_hod]
#7828731 - 01/03/08 06:37 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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awesomebastard
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hmm soo, if i powder mimosa and put it in a hose and take the other end and blow through it in my ass i dont need an maoi? ok then becase sticking things in my ass sounds much more pleasnt than a fast for a whole day, ill try it tommarrow
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Sra_sephiroth0
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no if you extract it an anal. but i have to say craping from the mimosa brew can be amazing if that counts.
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the reason behind this is that all the receptors are receiving and they are taking the spots of places due to competitive inhibition in which the maoi will be king of the hill and own on anything else you take.
also what is the reason of an MAO I other then inhibition of the MAO once that is achieved its done and there is a percise limit.
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yageman
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Quote:
Sra_sephiroth0 said: do you know anything about rue thats way to much taking more rue is never going to give you greater dmt like effects, infact it can weaken and even block out dmt effects. the key is taking the minimal amount of maoi so that the MAO is inhibited. any who you said 20g of aya so you mean vine?
What a stupid post. Do you know anything about the psychedelic effects of maois when used by its self?
It cannot block dmts effects, and I dont know where the hell you heard that crap.
Also 6 grams is not common, but everything you said leads me to believe that you dont have the slightest idea how much maoi is used in traditional brews. Im not so sure you understand how hallucinogenic maois are by themselves either.
I like your posts man, but this one is fucking retarded. Sorry. ----------------------------------------------------------------
To the thread starter. Yes, that is an insane dose of what I would still consider to be ayahuasca. More rue does add alot to the trip. Thats why in some traditional ayahuasca brews, the equivalent to 6-10 grams of rue is used and sometimes more.(to illustrate the amount of maois used in vine form).
I wish you luck and magic, and in this case I really mean it.
That is a nutty dose. If you can figure out a way to keep it in your system(there are ways) You will trip in a way few humans would dare to travel, and plus that dose lasts a LONG ASS TIME if done right. The duration also partly depends on the individual.
Again, luck, you crazy fuck.
Kidding.........just luck.
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: high does of ayuahasca [Re: yageman]
#7829692 - 01/03/08 09:31 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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dude rue will block it and yes i know maois on their own have great effects but not like a low dose of maoi and high dose of mimosa also keep in mind mimosa without maoi has effects for other reasons. the Maois work via disbalancing neru trans rather then acting like em. but they still need to bond to sites, and thats what makes rue and caapi differnt from RX maoi due to one being a reversable(conpetitive inhibition) maoi and the other which is not which bonds to sites making them unable to work rather then filling a slot. its like ones sticking a key in a key hole the other is sticking it in and then breaking it so it cant be twisted. those sites to be replaced. and all of that stuff changes the amount of 5-ht sites and such to counter blaance things... or atleast thats what college biology Dr.'s say you never know tho they could be spreading lies it wouldnt be the first time biologist have been misinformed.
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yageman
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I dont think it can be explained in such a simple way. I do understand where you are coming from.
I was coming from the standpoint of pure tradition so all these westernized folks can try what is generally sought after in the jungles of south america.
The original ayahuasca as im sure you know, was just the vine.
It depends on how you make it. No brew is better than the other. According to the information you provided you understand that high maoi content brews are what is traditional.
I was just trying to give some perspective on the whole, "make it your own brew over time" idea that most people find to be a fun conquest. I dont think a dmt dominant brew is a bad thing. I understand why you posted what you did.
Maois are the most important part of the brew in my opinion, and in the opinion of many people who traditionally practice aya use.
Go figure they more often than not use alot of maois. Its the most important part of the brew and viridis etc are simply used to "add depth color to the visions".
Interesting post though I guess.
It just depends on how traditional you want your brew to be. So I figured Id drop a line.
You can take only 2.5 grams of rue and a shit ton of viridis or something and its a totally new experience if you are used to a different recipe. If you wanted a more mushroomy/dmt like trip, you would indeed want to use only 2.5 grams(enough for full mao-inhibition).
I would never use less than 2.5-3 grams of rue anyways.
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Re: high does of ayuahasca [Re: yageman]
#7829854 - 01/03/08 10:03 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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just vine can be crazy but is differnt then just rue for sure. i find alot with caapi it goes tame and feirce at the same time in a suprising way that can last days. taking molly while in it is good golly and everyone in the circle is drastically effected. something im sad not to here more of is the use of healing circles and after effects of groups of people using ayahuasca in a ceromony. other then this one video i watched where the shaman had the person he brewed for eat his bile and then inducted him where the video ends. that guy got brews from westerns living in south america that give Aya tours, a traditional aya medicine man, and a frog posion using tribe that thinks aya shamans are dumbasses, which this tribe had a resident anthropolgist living in hut and huting with them only using their tools. this frog vemon pretty much all it did was intoxicate and cause purging no trip
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yageman
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I dont recommend any venom.............lol
There are all sorts of shamans. "Shaman" is a really big word.
They have gringos giving sessions all over SA. Nothing wrong with that, sort of, although it does confuse people when they read that they should only use ayahuasca with a shaman. I think ayahuasca is very special no matter how you make it/take it. I mean, some very traditional methods also include small amounts of tropanes.
Im talking like late 50's to late 60's studies of more "traditional" ayahuasca use.
Though, these tours are kind of cool, but you dont really know who you are dealing with. Atleast you can assume you are dealing with a modern day shaman who knows how to navigate the experience with you, and help when needed(hopefully).
Lots of bullshit about ayahuasca out there. I think when a person learns about and takes it on their own its just as respectable as those who pay for a shaman or experience a shaman.
The funny thing is, you can become a shaman no matter where you live. A grown man on a high dose of ayahuasca wanders around in the forest. It doesnt matter where that man lives, he will somewhat likely understand where the truth and meaning of ayahuasca resides without cultural provocation. Thats where it all started.
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Edited by yageman (01/03/08 10:36 PM)
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lol, syrian rue sucks if you take enough to trip!.
i think a vendor sent me the wrong amount one time, because i was planning on taking rue and mimosa, but they said they sent me 3g of rue, so i didn't bother to weigh it i just drank it right up... i think they definitely sent me the wrong amount, since i've eated than much rue at least a dozen times previously and barely felt it.
let me tell you boy, i was pretty sick. every sense made me sicker. light, smell, touch, taste, all of it just made me feel sicker and sicker. i spent about six hours vomiting non stop and shivering. the hallucinations were crazy and annoying. very slightly psychedelic visuals, with these almost dreamlike images any time i closed my eyes (which i did alot because i would just find my eyes closing without me knowing it like i was really really tired or something). the only one i can remember clearly is seeing my brain dipped in milk. i was terribly cold, but any warmth made me vomit more.
all in all, no fun at all, i'm never touching rue again. the one caapi experience i had was much much more pleasant, so i think if i ever do ayahuasca again i'm going to stick to that.
edit: i am not kidding, i dry heave vomited about a hundred times before i finally fell asleep. my stomach was sore the next couple of days from contracting so much.
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Knoa6
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Re: high does of ayuahasca [Re: yageman]
#7830148 - 01/03/08 10:56 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Yageman, have you been to Peru? there are some really ridiculous "shamans" there that are really profiting over Ayahuasca tourism. You can even pay for a San Pedro session overlooking Machu Picchu.This tourism may sound attractive to some people but I think it is bad in the long run.
There are alot of people who really strongly believe one should only take aya with a "trained shaman", But I am sorry; I cannot believe that.
Be careful with you home brews please.
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: high does of ayuahasca [Re: Knoa6]
#7830306 - 01/03/08 11:40 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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yeah and thats the point of the other post. and the one even earlier about metting a brewer that put alot of things to same. i had to bring my understudy from CT down to put that guy to shame and let alot of people know the differance
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Re: high does of ayuahasca [Re: Knoa6]
#7830342 - 01/03/08 11:56 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Knoa6 said: Yageman, have you been to Peru? there are some really ridiculous "shamans" there that are really profiting over Ayahuasca tourism. You can even pay for a San Pedro session overlooking Machu Picchu.This tourism may sound attractive to some people but I think it is bad in the long run.
There are alot of people who really strongly believe one should only take aya with a "trained shaman", But I am sorry; I cannot believe that.
Be careful with you home brews please.
That sort of info is needed here.
I have been to puerto viarta mexico. Sessions are done there too. This person leading the session was not some terrible shaman.
Just some guy who drinks alot of ayahuasca, can help, offers "things" and speaks english.
That was nothing compared to making my own brew over time and becoming my own person, whether im a shaman, a guide, or not.
To find the place where you and the plants really understand the purpose of eachother.
Ayahuasca, makes you a teacher. Its not some joke unless you treat it like a joker.
I respect the gringo shaman types In my case, they had weed, provided what was needed to the members of the session, and had good judgement. Whistled songs and used a woodblock and rattle as percussion.
Three guys and a woman.
It was unique and highly appropriate.
I could sing certain bjork songs whistle style and shake a rattle and I would have done well.
These guides are no joke. I have an icaro I made that makes pictures and means something to me. It means alot to people tripping balls on something like ayahuasca.
Its pure. Its what shamanism is made of, and I dont call myself a shaman.
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: high does of ayuahasca [Re: yageman]
#7830499 - 01/04/08 12:54 AM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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ha ha making your song or rather receiving it or em is the best, when you sing them they each have their own effect and are infact ancient spells. I have a few for a few differnt occasions and they are powerful. but must say mapacho and the songs work well
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