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Re: Stock Update for January 18, 2012 - SPY, FB, ANR, CLF, NBR [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #17593565 - 01/22/13 09:47 PM (11 years, 8 days ago)

depends on the stock and yes they can.


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Re: Stock Update for January 18, 2012 - SPY, FB, ANR, CLF, NBR [Re: Shins]
    #17593585 - 01/22/13 09:50 PM (11 years, 8 days ago)

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depends on the stock and yes they can.



But of course with anything I need lots of money for it to be a lucrative income stream


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Re: Stock Update for January 18, 2012 - SPY, FB, ANR, CLF, NBR [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #17593654 - 01/22/13 09:59 PM (11 years, 8 days ago)

3 - 6% is fairly typical for the higher paying dividend stocks.

Speaking from a Canadian perspective, banks, oil, tobacco, large telecoms, and pipelines are good places to look.

Ecopetrol S.A. (ADR), EC has a monster 6.5% dividend and steady capital growth over the last few years
Altria Group, MO is 5.3%
Most Canadian banks are at about 4%, BMO, BNS, RBC, etc.


Dividend reinvestment plans or DRIP accounts are available from some companies, but I believe you need to look on the corporate relation section


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Re: Stock Update for January 18, 2012 - SPY, FB, ANR, CLF, NBR [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #17593666 - 01/22/13 10:00 PM (11 years, 8 days ago)

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3 - 6% is fairly typical for the higher paying dividend stocks.

Speaking from a Canadian perspective, banks, oil, tobacco, large telecoms, and pipelines are good places to look.

Ecopetrol S.A. (ADR), EC has a monster 6.5% dividend and steady capital growth over the last few years
Altria Group, MO is 5.3%
Most Canadian banks are at about 4%, BMO, BNS, RBC, etc.


Dividend reinvestment plans or DRIP accounts are available from some companies, but I believe you need to look on the corporate relation section



How do dividend paying stocks differ from corporate bonds?


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Re: Stock Update for January 18, 2012 - SPY, FB, ANR, CLF, NBR [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #17593727 - 01/22/13 10:07 PM (11 years, 8 days ago)

I'm not sure how they are taxed in the US, but dividends are different than interest, but can be taxed similarly.


It is a different financial instrument. A bond is lending a company money with the repayment of the principle amount plus annual or semi-annual interest amounts for a fixed period of time.

A stock is owning a tiny fraction of the company, but if a company has good cashflow and doesn't see any worthwhile investments for its free cash, it can choose to pay out part of its after tax profits back to its shareholders.

Some companies have taken the opinion that management can invest the companies profits better than giving it back to shareholder. Usually technology or high growth companies, while others such as pipelines or ciggarettes will have lots of cashflow, but no real need to expand current operations or make capital purchases of new factories or equipment so they can give money back to the shareholders.


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Re: Stock Update for January 18, 2012 - SPY, FB, ANR, CLF, NBR [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #17593758 - 01/22/13 10:10 PM (11 years, 8 days ago)

Thanks for the info captain good hunting


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Re: Stock Update for January 18, 2012 - SPY, FB, ANR, CLF, NBR [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #17593770 - 01/22/13 10:13 PM (11 years, 8 days ago)

On the same note, a company can repurchase some of its outstanding shares with its surplus after-tax to increase share price for shareholders.

A $1,000,000 market cap stock has 100,000 outstanding shares for $10 / share.

If the company has $100,000 (10,000 shares) in surplus earnings it can repurchase that amount from the market to leave $1,000,000 / 90,000 to make the share price ~ $11.11 per share.


Or it could have issued that same $100,000 out as $1.00 dividends to each of the shareholders instead of repurchasing.


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Re: Stock Update for January 18, 2012 - SPY, FB, ANR, CLF, NBR [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #17594860 - 01/23/13 02:59 AM (11 years, 8 days ago)

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So what kind of returns do the dividend paying stocks give you? Can the dividends be automatically reinvested sorry just curious.




Here are the performance of my 3 long term dividend paying stocks.

I have owned AGNC (current div yield of 15.88%) for about 7 months and my total return on investment is currently up 1.9% despite buying almost 6% higher than the current price.

I have owned ARR (current div yield of 13.87%) for about 20 months and my total return on investment is currently up 14% despite buying almost 6% higher than the current price.

I have owned BKCC (current div yield of 9.95%) for about 9 months and my total return on investment is currently up 15% although i did buy 7% lower than the current price.


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Notes on Dividend Paying Stocks vs Bonds, and Share Buybacks. [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #17595295 - 01/23/13 08:33 AM (11 years, 7 days ago)

Some important distinctions to clarify with respect to bonds vs. dividend stocks.  Bonds by their very nature as a fixed income investment will not be able to benefit from underlying capital appreciation in the way that stocks can.  Thus, a dividend paying stock, while also tending to offer an almost-fixed amount of interest per year (dividend payouts can and do change, but generally don't change by a whole lot), is subject to the aggregate standing of the company and its earnings, which will in turn affect the underlying share price.  In good times, this leads to the additional capital appreciation on the underlying asset, while you are also getting paid the dividend.  I like to think of dividend stocks as "being paid to wait" for the underlying issue to appreciate in value.

This has been my experience with AGNC, which is up nearly 20% from my basis, while also yielding me 18.8% annually.  Of course, in bad times, you can lose money from the capital depreciation of the underlying asset, though the dividend tends to act as a buffer that will draw increasingly more buyers as the underlying issue falls, since the corresponding dividend yield will rise.  Remember, yield is a function of the annual fixed dividend payout divided by the current share price.  So if you get a stock like AGNC, which pays $5 annually per share, at $20/share, you're locking in a considerably higher yield (25%) than if you were to purchase it at $30 (16.6%).  This is also why it is of utmost importance to be mindful of your entry into a dividend stock, because if you do it right, you can reap higher rewards for years to come.



One other note regarding share buy backs.

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A $1,000,000 market cap stock has 100,000 outstanding shares for $10 / share.

If the company has $100,000 (10,000 shares) in surplus earnings it can repurchase that amount from the market to leave $1,000,000 / 90,000 to make the share price ~ $11.11 per share.




The idea that a company that buys 10% of their float (ie. outstanding shares) will result in a de facto 11.1% increase in the price of the underlying issue is misleading.  Share buybacks take place over time, typically months to a year and certainly not overnight, and thus are subject to aggregate market forces.  While a specific amount of buyback is authorized by the board of directors, this doesn't mean that the company must purchase the entirety of the authorized amount.  In other words, they're not going to chase their own stock if they feel it has become highly valued, because they want to be smart buyers too, just like you and I!  Therefore, while share buybacks do work as a buffer against lower prices (because there is a new buyer for the issue in the open market), they do not typically result in large increases in the stock price.  Rather, they just help to insulate the stock from price depreciation. 


PS.  ANR is my darling.  Up 9% since initiating the position last week.  I've raised my stops to lock in a handsome profit, though am debating whether I should sell covered calls against the position in order to hold it for the long term, since it looks like it's going to continue making a long march higher on the daily and weekly charts.  My short NBR puts are up 17%.  My SPY position is up some 1.4% in a week, which is great considering it's a placeholder for almost 50% of my portfolio value.  My FB calls up 10% and CLF, the only loser, down 1%.  The high yielding portion of my portfolio (PSEC, NLY, and AGNC have also been experiencing some nice capital appreciation over the past week).

PPS.  Of course, the moment I praise ANR, it immediately dives 1.2% before I can even finish this post. :crazy2:

PPPS.  I split the difference, locking in a gain on half of my position in ANR and selling Feb $10 calls against the other half, to take in $55 worth of premium per contract. This gives me an effective cost basis in ANR of $8.80.


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Re: Notes on Dividend Paying Stocks vs Bonds, and Share Buybacks. [Re: geokills]
    #17597146 - 01/23/13 03:08 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

Apple disappoints tonight, I didn't think the numbers were that poor, but I think it's the outlook moving forward that is scaring investors. Shares down hard to $480 per share.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apples-profit-rocket-hits-air-215506254.html


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Re: Notes on Dividend Paying Stocks vs Bonds, and Share Buybacks. [Re: geokills]
    #17601162 - 01/24/13 08:32 AM (11 years, 6 days ago)

Bought some more physical silver on this morning's dip.  The premiums were a little high, but I really wanted these coins to give as gifts to friends and familiy, and today's 1.5% dip down to the metal's 200 day moving average was all the excuse I needed.

Closed my calls on CLF for a manageable 5.5% loss.  Though the stock does appear to be basing, it hasn't been acting well over the past two days and the short term trading range is fairly wide, with the 50 day moving average flattening out and just starting to turn higher, but still some 6% below the current price.  The company noted that it booked some significant expenses today pertaining to tax deferrals as well as an acquisition that relates to lower anticipated long-term production volumes in conjunction with higher capital and operating costs.  I am not giving up on this name, but I am going to be playing it differently.  At $36.50/share, the stock is paying a 6.8% dividend.  So instead of holding the long dated calls, I have started by buying a half position using common stock, which will help me capture that dividend and allow me to sell covered calls against it in order to lower my basis and capture additional premium.  This is going in my retirement portfolio, as I intend this to be a long term core holding.

In other news, I should have played AAPL for the bounce this morning but I was distracted.  Oh well, I was burnt pretty badly by AAPL when I wrote all those bull put spreads a few months ago, so I didn't want to give it the chance to burn me again.  Hey, at least I know my emotional weaknesses!

NFLX, up some 40%, sheesh.  I've been watching that thing climb steadily wondering why I wasn't in... now I'm way late to the party so I'll just continue to wait and watch and feel sorry for myself for not having bought last week. :foreheadslap:

I'll be watching TQNT for a break above $5.21, as it continues to consolidate here just under its 200 day moving averages.

I'll also likely be called out of my SPY position tomorrow unless we get a really ugly day, which is fine with me, it is at the top of a tight uptrending channel and should be due for a bit of a pull back soon.  Everything else just keeps chugging along, my covered call position on the remaining half of ANR, my FB calls, my short NBR puts... all good in da hood!

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Re: Notes on Dividend Paying Stocks vs Bonds, and Share Buybacks. [Re: geokills]
    #17609000 - 01/25/13 01:22 PM (11 years, 5 days ago)

Wow, NFLX impressive, up another 15% today on top of yesterdays 40%+ move.  Missed it.

Almost certainly getting called out of my SPY position today, seeing as it appears to be pinning at $150, a full dollar above the $149 strike calls I sold earlier in the week.

ANR is coming in to test its 200 day exponential moving average, which is incidentally right above the up-trending 50 day moving average.  Looks like pretty solid support, and the $10 call I sold against this position is buffering the past few days of pullback.  I have added a little bit to the common stock portion of this position, and will sell calls against it if and when we see strength.  Otherwise, I will wait, with a protective stop on the whole shabang below $8.80 (near my adjusted cost basis and the 50 day moving average).

Elsewhere, I am playing a little intraday bounce in AAPL just for kicks, might end up holding over the weekend so long as my stop isn't violated.  Bought a February 16th $445 call for $11.50 ($1150), the position is now 10-20% profitable and I have been able to raise my sell stop to less than $1 below my entry, so at most I will only suffer a very small loss.  At best, AAPL gets a little bit more of a relief bounce after falling nearly 15% in the last two days, especially if it crosses above that down-trending red line on the 15 minute chart (left half of image).  You can see it had a pretty nice positive volume spike mid-day and that on the 5 minute chart (right half of image), we have initiated a new, very short term up-trend.


   


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Re: Notes on Dividend Paying Stocks vs Bonds, and Share Buybacks. [Re: geokills] * 1
    #17725500 - 02/01/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Hope you all got on the MJNA train a couple days ago because it is currently shooting way up! currently trading at .28 and up 25% today alone. excuse me while i go hang myself for not getting more when it was .12.....:sad:


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Re: Notes on Dividend Paying Stocks vs Bonds, and Share Buybacks. [Re: geokills]
    #17725593 - 02/01/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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NFLX, up some 40%, sheesh.  I've been watching that thing climb steadily wondering why I wasn't in... now I'm way late to the party so I'll just continue to wait and watch and feel sorry for myself for not having bought last week. :foreheadslap:





Shit, man!

I got out of MJNA when it was at .12. Within a couple weeks it's already flying at .29! :eek:

Wanted to kick my own ass.


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Re: Notes on Dividend Paying Stocks vs Bonds, and Share Buybacks. [Re: Keru]
    #17725701 - 02/01/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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NFLX, up some 40%, sheesh.  I've been watching that thing climb steadily wondering why I wasn't in... now I'm way late to the party so I'll just continue to wait and watch and feel sorry for myself for not having bought last week. :foreheadslap:





Shit, man!

I got out of MJNA when it was at .12. Within a couple weeks it's already flying at .29! :eek:

Wanted to kick my own ass.




damn got out of!!? i was watching it hover around .12 and then never pulled the trigger as it hit .14 and .15 and now im really regretting it. my initial 100 share buy at .12 cent buy is up 140%.

if you are interested in weed related stocks i highly recommend HEMP right now. i got in at .03 and it was hovering right around there but today it has shot up to almost 5 cents today. i think HEMP is a lot safer than MJNA because the argument as to why we don't use hemp is weaker than the argument against legalizing weed, AKA very very weak. the government can't stop HEMP like it can medical or even legal mj.

also they apparently just opened two "spin off" branches that have done research and claim to have some kind of "miracle water" that pretty much reverses aging? seems bold but if it is true than it could be huge.


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Re: Notes on Dividend Paying Stocks vs Bonds, and Share Buybacks. [Re: Revolutionine]
    #17725717 - 02/01/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

remember me talking about SONY SNE some time back when it was around 9 $ ? well its nearly 15 $ now :wink:


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Re: Notes on Dividend Paying Stocks vs Bonds, and Share Buybacks. [Re: Revolutionine]
    #17725748 - 02/01/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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my initial 100 share buy at .12 cent buy is up 140%.





I've never heard of anyone spending 12 dollars on securities. Hell, it costs half of that just in broker commission.

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Re: Notes on Dividend Paying Stocks vs Bonds, and Share Buybacks. [Re: Keru]
    #17725937 - 02/01/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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my initial 100 share buy at .12 cent buy is up 140%.





I've never heard of anyone spending 12 dollars on securities. Hell, it costs half of that just in broker commission.

Are you serious?




haha, yeah i am. i am a very very new investor so my account still has like 485 free trades. i was planning to buy a much larger percent over the course of a week but i was waiting for a drop that never came and then just never got back on it. :facepalm:


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Re: Notes on Dividend Paying Stocks vs Bonds, and Share Buybacks. [Re: Keru]
    #17740514 - 02/03/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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NFLX, up some 40%, sheesh.  I've been watching that thing climb steadily wondering why I wasn't in... now I'm way late to the party so I'll just continue to wait and watch and feel sorry for myself for not having bought last week. :foreheadslap:





Shit, man!

I got out of MJNA when it was at .12. Within a couple weeks it's already flying at .29! :eek:

Wanted to kick my own ass.




Its not too Late!  It should consolidate this week.  I took some profits in the .20s/.30s and now hope to buy back lower.  I am going to sell some other stocks and go mostly into MJNA.

I recommend you load the boat here, this is going to be above $1 withing the year.

Only danger I really see is the feds coming and shutting it down.


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Re: Notes on Dividend Paying Stocks vs Bonds, and Share Buybacks. [Re: Cannashroom]
    #17743223 - 02/04/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I bought 4500 shares of MJNA at .12 awhile back. It hit .50 today and it is still undervalued!


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