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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: Cannashroom]
    #17162138 - 11/04/12 08:38 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Who checked MJNA's earnings to make sure they werent cooking the books? The SEC doesnt...


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: scatmanrav]
    #17169249 - 11/05/12 09:46 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I believe Audited financials are coming.  That doesn't incriminate them however, Nestle trades on the pink sheets to avoid that hassle.

In any case you should all check out Crailar Technologies Inc. (CL:TSXV or CRLRF:OTCBB)

http://www.crailar.com/

I think this company will return 1000% gains over the next 5 years (it has for the past 5 years too) and possibly the next 5 after that.

Up 16% today! ($2.62)

They have a patented new fibre Crailar coming into production.  It is made from hemp or flax and produces 4x more fibre per acre than cotton.  With far less water and no pesticides.  Processing uses 99% less water and far less chemicals again.

They just spent $8 million outfitting a new production facility to start massive production in 2013.

I think they were planning for around 450 000 Lbs of fibre a week.

I seriously think this will be $20-30 in 5 years and has the possibility to go to $100+ if the company continues to grow into other avenues.

Around 42 million share float.

$100/share would be $4.2 Billion market Cap.

Textile Industry is $400 B a year.

1% Market Capitalization easily possible if Crailar takes off in the next 10-20 years.

Furthermore, with their amazing scientific board and resources from Crailar I am sure they will be able to persue other avenues like hemp plastics, concretes etc.

This is my apple of the sustainability sector.

This is $2.60 and I say fair value is at least $4.

I would not be surprised to see over $10 in 2013.

L2 was looking extremely thin into the $3 range today, not many shares left under $4.

Good luck everyone!


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: Cannashroom]
    #17169402 - 11/05/12 10:10 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)



Mmmmm.....


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: Cannashroom]
    #17171206 - 11/06/12 08:32 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

If you want to speculate, that's fine, but the BIG problem with a stock like this is its lack of liquidity, which is why it can move 16% on a day where barely more than $100,000 of stock has traded.  When ONE SINGLE INVESTOR can move a stock (let alone make it move 10% or more!), that's an exceptionally high risk scenario.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: geokills]
    #17173775 - 11/06/12 04:41 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Sure, but if you look at its past large runs they were on high volume.  This is just an extended low volume consolidation period.  I am promoting this as a long term investment.  Day to day liquidity wont be as much an issue when this is running or when it is in the $10-20 range.

I can understand the risk for short term trading.  But if this company grows as I expect the share price will follow regardless of the volume.  Nobody knows about this company right now, it is just coming out of development.

It is a strong fundamental long term play.

Anyways, with greater risks come greater returns.

I bought shares of AMBS 3 days ago for .018 and I am riding free shares with a profit secured as it closes today at .066.  And this week could see .10+

AMBS could have huge potential too.  Potential treatment for parkinson's and heart disease.

Penny stocks are a wild ride and definitely not for the faint of heart.

I am just in a different position than you.  I don't have a lot of money to trade right now and would rather try my hand at making 1000% gains than 10% gains.

If I had lots of money to invest I would pick safer things, but I want to try and make lots from little first.

As for a single investor being able to move the price, they can on the big boards too.  And then you have big institutions which can do it ever bigger.

Like how about in 2008 when Porsche bought so much Volkswagen exercising options it caused a short squeeze to bring the price from near 300 to 1000 in a few days.  And then they decided to let the short sellers off a bit and sell 5% of their holdings near 1000.  Has to go down as one of the best short term gains ever.

In a week or so Porsche booked a 6.8 billion Euro profit!!

Their profits for the year were only 8.2 Billion.

What will happen to FB when Suckerberg and co start selling shares?

Single people or entities can move the big boards, they are just bigger than the penny stock people.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: Cannashroom]
    #17176096 - 11/06/12 10:28 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Marijuana legal in Colorado and Washington!

Watch MJNA explode tomorrow!


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Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: Cannashroom]
    #17178153 - 11/07/12 10:06 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Looks to be down 2%. The trend still looks fine if the 50 day moving average hold, but right now its having trouble breaking through resistance at the newly established 200 day moving average.

I prefer to trade with options and using leverage so I can involve only a small amount of money because I to have a small account. I trade penny stocks and it is a huge gamble. You dont know what your going to get. For instance yesterday I bought puts on WMT (which is like shorting it) for 16 dollars, right now they are worth 25. Thats 56% in 24 hours and they still look to be going down.

Options have theyre own risks of course, but IMO its easier to gauge my risk then betting on penny stocks.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: scatmanrav]
    #17185784 - 11/08/12 04:49 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

The market has given its opinion of the election outcome and its not a pretty sight. Heaven help us when we go over that financial cliff with a socialist still at the controls. Gridlock is about the best we can hope for with some can kicking to soften the blow.

Take a look at what's happening in greece right now. Check out the usa in a year or so, might look the same. And greece in a year, the eu in a year? The magic 8 ball says "outlook not so good, try again later"


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: Stonehenge]
    #17186443 - 11/08/12 07:00 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

lol  its going to be interesting seeing how far this sell off goes!

gold/silver is up tho :wink:


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: Cannashroom]
    #17195931 - 11/10/12 02:02 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Marijuana legal in Colorado and Washington!

Watch MJNA explode tomorrow!



Check out GreenGo Technologies, INC (GRNH)
Its a growing supply company(light bulbs vents, ect.)
The run has just begun :smile:


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: geokills]
    #17211722 - 11/13/12 09:32 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

There's really nothing I'm particularly interested in near-term in the markets, until Congress gets past this "fiscal cliff" issue, which could very well take a few more months.  Nevertheless, the threat of higher tax rates in conjunction with the Fed's policy to buy up mortgages is causing some real pain to the mortgage REITS like NLY and AGNC, both with an excellent track record of paying out their exceptionally high dividends (10%-15%+).  I am going to use today's 4%+ selloffs in both names, to add just a teensy bit.  I am also putting a bid out there for a little bit of PSEC.  These are not trading positions, these are positions I intend to have in my portfolio for cash flow/income purposes for several years if not decades to come, and I will continue to add to them on further weakness.


For a quick trade, I do also have a covered call position on FB, having purchased shares yesterday on the mid-day pop, and subsequently selling $20 calls against it, that will expire this friday.  If FB is above $20 come Friday, the shares are called away and I get a 5% return for about 5 days of holding.  If FB is below $20, I keep the $60 per call sold and am stuck with the stock.  The trade will be unwound should FB fall below $18.85 before the week is out.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: geokills]
    #17211748 - 11/13/12 09:40 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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I am going to use today's 4%+ selloffs in both names, to add just a teensy bit.  I am also putting a bid out there for a little bit of PSEC.  These are not trading positions, these are positions I intend to have in my portfolio for cash flow/income purposes for several years if not decades to come, and I will continue to add to them on further weakness.




So you see this sell off as an overreaction?  The idea is that future dividends will be cut and investors/speculators are pricing this in now, yet we dont know how much of a dividend cut we will really have.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: DieCommie]
    #17211794 - 11/13/12 09:51 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I do see this as an overreaction, but am not foolish enough to believe that I am absolutely right or that people won't continue to overreact, which is why I am adding only in very small increments.  While it does seem likely that dividends could be cut back (more), and that dividend taxes will increase, the dividends here would need to be cut by more than half for me to not want to hold the stocks anymore.  Further, the companies are shifting to diversify their investment strategy, which seems a good thing.

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Annaly Capital Management Inc. (NLY), a top real estate investment trust, is planning to absorb commercial property investor Crexus Investment Corp. (CXS) in a bid to diversify its portfolio from the government-supported bonds it has relied since its inception.

Annaly, the largest agency mortgage REIT by market capitalization, on Monday said it offered to buy the rest of Crexus it doesn't already own in a cash deal that values the firm at about $958 million.

It also said it may allocate up to 25% of shareholders' equity to real estate assets other than the agency mortgage-backed securities issued and protected by the government programs of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Federal Housing Administration. Yields in agency mortgage bonds have tumbled in tandem with the Federal Reserve's effort to lower mortgage rates.

"While we remain committed to the agency market, given the current environment, we believe it is prudent to diversify a portion of our investment portfolio," Annaly Chief Executive Wellington Denahan said.

Agency mortgage real estate investment trusts like Annaly have been under pressure since the Fed in September extended its low-rate policy to 2015 and began an open-ended campaign to purchase agency mortgage bonds, accelerating the yield drop. Yields on newly issued agency mortgage bonds have declined to 2% from 3% at the end of 2011 and more than 4% earlier that year.




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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: geokills]
    #17212131 - 11/13/12 11:18 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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While it does seem likely that dividends could be cut back (more), and that dividend taxes will increase, the dividends here would need to be cut by more than half for me to not want to hold the stocks anymore.




Right on.  This is what I was thinking as well.  If I sold what would I buy?  Well, some REITs with high dividends probably...  Unless they are just going to sink completely over the coming years.  Im looking to hold them for 5 years or so, anticipating cashing them out for a house down payment if that ever happens.  So I'm down to weather a storm as long as it isnt fatal.

When you say dividend taxes increase, what do you mean exactly?  REIT dividends are taxed as personal income rather than as capital gains arn't they?  I thought they were.  If not then are you anticipating capital gains tax going up or are you anticipating dividends getting taxed as income?  As a member of the low tax bracket I would think that taxing dividends as income rather than dividends would be less of a tax for me, since my tax rate is lower than the capital gains tax.  Does that make sense?


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: geokills]
    #17212183 - 11/13/12 11:31 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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There's really nothing I'm particularly interested in near-term in the markets, until Congress gets past this "fiscal cliff" issue, which could very well take a few more months.  Nevertheless, the threat of higher tax rates in conjunction with the Fed's policy to buy up mortgages is causing some real pain to the mortgage REITS like NLY and AGNC, both with an excellent track record of paying out their exceptionally high dividends (10%-15%+).  I am going to use today's 4%+ selloffs in both names, to add just a teensy bit.  I am also putting a bid out there for a little bit of PSEC.  These are not trading positions, these are positions I intend to have in my portfolio for cash flow/income purposes for several years if not decades to come, and I will continue to add to them on further weakness.


For a quick trade, I do also have a covered call position on FB, having purchased shares yesterday on the mid-day pop, and subsequently selling $20 calls against it, that will expire this friday.  If FB is above $20 come Friday, the shares are called away and I get a 5% return for about 5 days of holding.  If FB is below $20, I keep the $60 per call sold and am stuck with the stock.  The trade will be unwound should FB fall below $18.85 before the week is out.




"with the Fed's policy to buy up mortgages is causing some real pain to the mortgage REIT's" 

How does this hurt the mortgage REIT's?


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: qman]
    #17212244 - 11/13/12 11:46 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

It lowers the interest spread.  Mortgages get bought so that banks will refinance for lower rates and these lower rates tighten the spread.  Something like that... Im sure geo can articulate it better.  Refinancing hurt NLY soon after QE3 was announced.  AGNC seems to have been affected less.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: DieCommie]
    #17212375 - 11/13/12 12:25 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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When you say dividend taxes increase, what do you mean exactly?  REIT dividends are taxed as personal income rather than as capital gains arn't they?



You are correct, I should have spoke more generally, in that higher aggregate tax rates may be discouraging high net worth individuals from holding these stocks.

Kind of wish I took NLY and AGNC for a day trade in addition to building my long term portfolio, as NLY in particular is already up 3% from where I was buying this morning.

But, this market is so whacky right now it's better to tread lightly.


To qman, I believe your question was answered in the quote I provided above, which read in part:
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Agency mortgage real estate investment trusts like Annaly have been under pressure since the Fed in September extended its low-rate policy to 2015 and began an open-ended campaign to purchase agency mortgage bonds, accelerating the yield drop. Yields on newly issued agency mortgage bonds have declined to 2% from 3% at the end of 2011 and more than 4% earlier that year




In addition, there is concern over regulations that restrict some of the leveraging capability of these companies, although I am not well versed on this issue.  Nevertheless, with tightening spreads, and the possibility of reduced leverage capability, the dividends are definitely at some risk.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: geokills]
    #17216968 - 11/14/12 05:07 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

This looks like a buying op to me.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: geokills]
    #17217496 - 11/14/12 08:40 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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For a quick trade, I do also have a covered call position on FB, having purchased shares yesterday on the mid-day pop, and subsequently selling $20 calls against it, that will expire this friday.  If FB is above $20 come Friday, the shares are called away and I get a 5% return for about 5 days of holding.  If FB is below $20, I keep the $60 per call sold and am stuck with the stock.  The trade will be unwound should FB fall below $18.85 before the week is out.




Well that was quick.  With FB up some 9% as of this writing, it would be hard to believe this stock doesn't get called away from me on Friday and I pocket my 5%.  If only I could always be so right. :wink:

As the rest of the market continues to crumble...


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: geokills]
    #17217939 - 11/14/12 10:56 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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For a quick trade, I do also have a covered call position on FB, having purchased shares yesterday on the mid-day pop, and subsequently selling $20 calls against it, that will expire this friday.  If FB is above $20 come Friday, the shares are called away and I get a 5% return for about 5 days of holding.  If FB is below $20, I keep the $60 per call sold and am stuck with the stock.  The trade will be unwound should FB fall below $18.85 before the week is out.




Well that was quick.  With FB up some 9% as of this writing, it would be hard to believe this stock doesn't get called away from me on Friday and I pocket my 5%.  If only I could always be so right. :wink:

As the rest of the market continues to crumble...




Time to buy silver!


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