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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26806121 - 07/06/20 01:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Put in a group of buy orders for several stocks. The limits are well below current markets so I doubt they will hit before I need to readjust to a more realistic target. I battle with the thought that I am missing out on a bull run, who cares why its happening, it just is... Ive also noticed that if I never would have sold my original shares of TSLA, I would have more money now than with all the moving and shaking over the past 3 months. I might have learned a lot but was it worth the unrealized profits? Ask me in 4 months :wink:

Am holding steady that a nearterm correction is coming, for the time being. Its up on any news and down on any news. I have been lucky to be on the positive side mostly and want to stay smart, not greedy.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: ManianFH]
    #26808705 - 07/07/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The markets are rather different than they were when I started trading.  Central banks are hell bent on supporting the market at any cost, and you just can't fight that kind of fire power/manipulation.  Ray Dalio put a finger on it in a recent Bloomberg interview.

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Ray Dalio, the billionaire hedge fund manager and founder and chief investment officer of Bridgewater Associates, believes capital markets are no longer free.

Speaking to Bloomberg, Dalio said markets have changed a lot so central banks like the Federal Reserve no longer act within the confines of the traditional economic system.

“There are markets that are driven by central banks not only their actions but their desire to be an owner of those assets. Their priorities about that ownership when they buy and when they sell are not the same as the classic free-market allocations. And as a result, the capital markets are not free.”

He said central banks, in normal times, will put money on deposit for banks to borrow and lend it to people who can pay. This creates the credit system and other financial assets compete with each other. Now, Dalio said, the economy and the markets are more driven by the ownership of assets by central banks.

He said central banks found themselves in a situation “where they’re the market makers” after the 2008 Financial Crisis and created the environment where markets are no longer free. But, he pointed out, if the central banks did not allow lending to blue-chip companies and fallen angels, then large parts of the economy could fall.

Dalio said the U.S. dollar may also lose attractiveness because as a reserve currency, the flood of cash in the market means the traditional valuation of money no longer exists. He has previously expressed concerns over the U.S. dollar’s role as a reserve currency.

Dalio is famously bearish on cash but still has not thrown his weight towards other alternatives, like say cryptocurrencies. Dalio said in April “cash is almost always the worst investment.” The billionaire has talked about bitcoin before but felt cryptocurrencies are much too volatile to function as a store of value.

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Dalio's had a lot of thought provoking things to say... you can read some more here: https://www.principles.com/the-changing-world-order/


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: geokills]
    #26808799 - 07/07/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the post Geo. It is an interesting read.

I think the biggest take for me is accepting that there is no point in trying to figure out when or where to enter what is now a manipulated market - but at least the manipulators seem to want things to go upwards. A friend of mine had enough of markets back in April and threw everything he owned into Gold. Working out for him so far too I suppose.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: ManianFH]
    #26820668 - 07/13/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys. I just started investing today and I am fucking hooked :lol:. I have been thinking occasionally about investing in crypto and today I checked out the crypto thread and decided to do it. First went to some CFD site and then created an Etoro account because I wanted to actually invest in the stocks. I used all my spare money now and waiting for a transfer from my savings account :grin:
I bought Tesla, Lmnd, spot, goog, amzn, inga.nv, and lastly XRP/Ripple if that would raise a bit. Oh yeah and Citigroup I bought too.
Well my question is, what the hell is going on with Tesla stock? it is just going up up up. I already have a >4% profit.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26820916 - 07/13/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Enjoy the fun while it lasts. The first day of investing, if your in the green, is fun...but losses are inevitable. Be cautious.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26820918 - 07/13/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

TSLA is on the verge of being listed as part of the SP500 or something, I guess thats why everyones jumping on board. - the price has been moving up at a pace that boggles even my mind and I was a TSLA truther.


Its a crazy time to get in right now, and nobody can say if its going to correct or continue to rise for the nearterm, and maybe longterm.... If I can give you one piece of advice is dont move it all around day to day. If you like Citi, or whatever fine, just buy and hold. Or listen to Geo. One of those two things.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26820940 - 07/13/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Tesla stock is in lalaland, no relation to fundamentals whatsoever. maybe it keeps going up, maybe it crashes who knows
yeah, buy good deals and hold thats good advice.im waiting for a good value investing chance.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26820953 - 07/13/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I suspect that TSLA is in a blow off top phase.  These types of moves tend to end poorly, however most of the money in a blow off top is made during the final blast of enthusiasm when everyone throws their hands in the air because of the perception that it just can't lose.  Given the positive momentum, I wouldn't be surprised to see it tag $2,000 a share relatively soon... but when the stock does sell off, it is likely to do so very violently.  Nothing wrong with riding a high momentum stock like this, but I would strongly encourage anyone who is doing so, to utilize a trailing stop (or a ladder of trailing stops at, say, the prior day's intraday low, and/or at 5%, 8% and 10%) that will take them out of their position if and when it reverses.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: geokills]
    #26822102 - 07/13/20 11:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

A noob like me got punished for investing too excitedly. I had to close the Tesla and lost 20bucks. Others came down too like that Spotify but I am still holding those. I just got taught a lesson my first day, which is great actually.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: InnerWisdom] * 1
    #26823589 - 07/14/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I just got taught a lesson my first day, which is great actually.



You are right, and would be wise to hold that lesson close in mind.  One of the most dangerous things for a new investor is to be aggressive and lucky at the same time.  To be rewarded for reckless behavior only encourages more aggressive and irresponsible trading, and even if you get lucky more than once, it's bound to end very painfully.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: geokills]
    #26853585 - 07/30/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I dont see tesla ever becoming a dominate major player in the EV market. I just think their priorities aren't in-line and we havent seen the level of driving innovation that would command that type of staying power against the deep pockets of the auto industry. I think where it sits now is slightly over valued but I certainly don't think theyre going anywhere but rather they won't grow to dominate the market but rather fall into likely the high end luxury niche. :sadyes:


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26854158 - 07/30/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

TSLA entered the market in the high end luxury niche.  Since then, they've been doing everything they can to produce desirable cars at a competitive price point.  Yes, they benefit from various government incentives which have helped them achieve this, and sure your average "looking for a used civic" buyer won't be in the market for one... but the grand vision of the company is compelling, if not still a ways out on the timeline... with plenty of uncertainty between now and then as to whether they will reach that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

The TSLA story is about more than EV's.  They are working on new battery tech to be produced at their new German based gigafactory, which should play well with their alternative energy solutions side of the business just as well as it does for the auto side of their biz.  With the data logging from their huge fleet of vehicles and improvements to assisted and ultimately fully AI-based driving, owning a Tesla could perhaps pay for itself, should the owner choose to rent their vehicle to others as a fleet taxi when not in use.  Not to mention the freight shipping opportunities for autonomous fleet big rigs.  There's a big story here, and while I do think the stock has got ahead of itself, they have proven to be profitable for several quarters running even while nearly every other auto maker is suffering losses.

I don't own any, but that has been my mistake.  I'm not buying here, because I don't like the macro backdrop for equities in general (other than massive money printing with its relative devaluation of fiat currency -- which as has been proven, is a force not to wilfully fight against), and TSLA the stock has had such a run as to almost necessitate a cooling period.  But as for Tesla the story?  I do like it.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: geokills]
    #26854633 - 07/30/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thats a fair assessment. I've talked alot of shit about musk over the years now but I guess theyre still around somehow I think largely because everyone likes to suck his dick off and believe whatever hairbrained idea he's floating at the moment. Don't forget according to musk 10 years ago by this point we should be going from out net zero battery house to our self driving cars to take us to an underground hypertrain to zip around in tubes eating nutritional pastes getting ready for our space-cation. How much of any of this has been delivered on? I mean I feel like I've been hearing about those powerwall batteries for 10 years but never seen one actually existing in real life nevermind a highly profitable company producing them. Werent they supposed to be in every home by now?


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26854733 - 07/31/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hes a highly driven person with money for days but that does not equal Einstein-level ingenuity. I do think hell deliver on those ambitions though. Am currently not an owner of TSLA, which also has been my mistake. Tried getting cute with markets moving money around instead of keeping with a winning horse. Now I am near fully exposed to stocks that arent high risk, but they arent making money either, and probably wont be anytime soon.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: ManianFH]
    #26854749 - 07/31/20 01:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well never see his ridiculous super trains. Tesla will never capture the autonomous commercial vehicle market.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26854801 - 07/31/20 02:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm skeptical of his his car company being the highest valued in the world. I know stock prices are based on perceptions of future earnings, but still.

I recently read that Tesla's have the most defects per vehicle and Range Rover was second worse. Those are two luxury brands and maybe owners are highly critical when they spend that kind of money. On the other hand, defects per vehicle sounds more objective than subjective, IDK.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26854852 - 07/31/20 03:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Does anybody know if anybody lets you buy fractional shares of stocks in an IRA? Twice tonight I called Fidelity, because I already have several accounts with them, and my call got cut off.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26854975 - 07/31/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Coca-Cola just got back into alcohol. Right now it's a small move, but it bears watching.


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    #26855147 - 07/31/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I bought a bit of coke at very bottom of the crash when pretty much we had no idea what was going on. One thing I knew was that they weren't going to be as bad off as alot of people were projecting at the time. Sold it in June at $48.70 cuz there was alot more money to be made elsewhere. Its currently sitting at about 46 and change. I haven't really taken a look at it to see whats going on under the hood. Something tells me they have other issues besides whats at face value. I think I could be a decent buy still tho.


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Re: STOCKS - An Intro Tutorial & Ongoing Discussion [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26916992 - 09/04/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Lol @ tesla


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