|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
Sra_sephiroth0
Malicious Puppet's clone


Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 411
Last seen: 16 years, 6 days
|
sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred
#7826242 - 01/03/08 01:40 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
|
|
Well im gona start of with saying something that might shock and offend some but what ever.
I have to agree with ayahuasca but not caapi or viridis or any of those plants. i have been exploring the use of caapi and ect and i have to say from my first usage to now things have flipped inverted twisted straightened and more, and well now i have to say tho i have before every brew or sacred use needs to be all of its own for the occasion Cause when it comes down to it its only a very same part in the whole ceremony, My past ceremonies have been intense in a kinda mushroom trip crap your pants trip and now just holy shit life is amazing. its all about energy flow for sure. now someone i had brewed with in that past was trying to convince me he had been everywhere the brew could take him and also told me that this was not the time or place to take it so dont in which i had to explain i already did and its on a level he cant understand yet and many wont for a while. Most people would consider the trip i took with it that night and those i took on it a desecration tho it wasnt in any way which made it so amazing. I went into the NYC underground with it to some rowdy places and held a ceremony complete with healing chants purged things out of peoples bodies also i didnt vomit nor any one(which i might add its not necessary) Its truly wild and everyone should be aware and be aware that their are fake medicine men and alot of them are just forcing their ways and their handed down ways. Now those who are EXPed in aya they probably know that if you were to even try to desecrate aya it will do stuff to you and make it clear and present.
What i want to put out there and to this community is be aware and dont be scared into believing that aya and a healing ceremony should be any certain way. I do know now i must travel down to south america and to other places to show them what they dont know and what they dont understand about the world. well peace. ill only really start to explain why i say this if you really want to know so ask if you do.
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
|
yageman
already dead


Registered: 01/26/06
Posts: 4,965
Last seen: 14 years, 9 months
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
#7826294 - 01/03/08 02:08 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
|
|
There are many "ways".
Your own might serve you best.
-------------------- [quote]Me_Roy said: You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Thanks shroomery.
|
Coaster
Baʿal



Registered: 05/22/06
Posts: 33,501
Loc: Deep in the Valley
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: yageman]
#7826325 - 01/03/08 02:30 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
|
|
mine is superior
--------------------
|
Sra_sephiroth0
Malicious Puppet's clone


Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 411
Last seen: 16 years, 6 days
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: Coaster]
#7826453 - 01/03/08 04:53 AM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
lol its not about superiority its more so about boundary lines and limits in which people and spirits fairly find themselves breaking or considering it possible to break after either not know of the boundary and once finding going oh shit stop or just breaking thru it when you thought it impossible. Then taking that and healing others with it and your self as well as keeping balance and identify through knowing your inner being in the most hazardous,out right wild and rowdy situations. I infarct met lady ayahuasca in person not even in a trance, not as the women in a vision not made of plants or color lights but embodied in a wise individual. which is even more mind blowing and shocking and when it happens its not only very real and intense but you but you find your self not even to be tripping in all of that but a mutual state of sobriety other then the immense energy you are sharing in that space and the people around as they look and have listened to you speak and are lost cause they havent achieved the mentioned states and arent ready to go there. All im saying about this pretty much is something she kinda said that its on a whole different level which is the outer level which folds inward into a infinite regression pulling along with it the outside. i find it very hard to put it into words and was rough for me to grasp, but atleast when everything was happening i was understanding to a degree what was happening and didnt lose site(sight) i love words that have 2 meanings and spellings for each but for some reason i find em interchangeable in a storage way but more so site as in where i was and sight as in where i was going. then back to site when i was there and how to perceive things afterward. but in other words just true growth and development of one self,which i think is a main attribute of everything the tea is about as well as wholesomeness and keeping the wholesome
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
|
j_db69
Forever learning shaman


Registered: 02/09/04
Posts: 897
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
#7826645 - 01/03/08 08:35 AM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
What is your special "brew" mixture?
-------------------- One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the dark conscious. --Jung
|
Sra_sephiroth0
Malicious Puppet's clone


Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 411
Last seen: 16 years, 6 days
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: j_db69]
#7826728 - 01/03/08 09:18 AM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
well as i said its a kinda self evolving thing here. and well everything i just explained is self evolution http://www.self-evolution.org/ my brew that night started with Viridis,caapi,amd chaliponga with mapacho in the brew and smoked, as well as chanting. later there was smoking of opium,datura,hash,tobacco,mapacho,various alcohol including a hippie festival juice,molly,lsd. it was a great collaboration that could have gone wrong in many ways but stayed perfect and that was no way the one way to hold the ritual or the things to use always. just for starts.
something i might add is that the difference between my ways and the passed down ways is that i give out self evolution as their way is self replication. As you might know tribes talk shit about other tribes ways all the time and wars have been fought, for example frog venom tribes to ayahuasca tribes, to chaliponga tribes , to viridis tribes. As my tribe is the tribe of the true inner light and being. I will gladly usher in all of their ways and if battle must erupt due to intolerance their will be but their children will see and know what not to do or the survivors.
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
Edited by Sra_sephiroth0 (01/03/08 09:31 AM)
|
fantastical
Strangler!
Registered: 11/18/07
Posts: 89
Last seen: 13 years, 7 months
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
#7827023 - 01/03/08 10:56 AM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
I dunno your whole mindset seems a little weird to me on this one. You I assume are not part of the indigenous south americans and their relgions. So why are you talking about taking it with a true medicine man (I think you should look for more of an experienced drug user), as you probably won't find a TRUE shaman where you live. And all this don't disrespect DMT is bogous, its a chemical and does not have feelings. I suppose you will be in a weird mindset, so being a douche may give you a bad trip, but I find people on this board tend to think drugs are actual people with feelings and free will of their own. Some people use drugs for introspection, some use them for fun, but having fun on a drug isn't disrespectful. Maybe you shouldn't take your drug experiences so seriously. Looking for awnsers on drugs is cool and all, but realize your on a drugs when you came to your new ideas and they may not apply to your other mindset. Drugs are a good time, used by many, but that doesnt mean they are like hidden spirits or gods inside plands and chemical compounds. Don't believe everything you see.
|
ReoSpeedwagon153


Registered: 02/04/06
Posts: 2,098
Loc: Chetumal, Mexico
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: fantastical]
#7827082 - 01/03/08 11:33 AM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
Drugs are more than a good time, or just chemicals. Drugs shape everyday consciousness. Coffee? Cigarettes? Alcohol? Food? What about sunlight, it causes chemicals to be released in your brain, so does sleep, sex, love, recognition, sadness, basically EVERY human experience is insulated by the release and uptake of brain chemicals, endogenous or exogenous.
That they are drugs is no argument that nothing important happens with them, or that there is no consciousness inherent to them, or the plants and animals that produce them.
Yeah, they're fun, but who the hell are you to say that there is nothing serious going on there?
I do agree that we need to take everything experienced on hallucinogens with a massive grain of salt, but that doesn't mean something more profound is not happening. I realize that doesn't mean that it is happening either.
To sephiroth though, I am having a lot of trouble understanding what you are talking about. Did you say you need to go to south america to set them straight? Cause that is intensely laughable.
I don't know if you have ever heard of the spanish conquest, but they were killing the indigenous left and right trying to show them where they are wrong, and they resisted to the last battle.
-------------------- “I thought naming myself ‘ReoSpeedwagon153’ on a forum was a funny idea in 2006.”
|
Sra_sephiroth0
Malicious Puppet's clone


Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 411
Last seen: 16 years, 6 days
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: fantastical]
#7827114 - 01/03/08 11:47 AM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
ha ha and you know what people are a bunch of chemicals to and you have feelings. So i guess shit the same why spirits can be in plants or gods in plants the same must apply for animals which must apply for people, which makes me question do you question the very meaning of life and existence. i say that the meaning of life is meaning and backed by reason(what maybe be apparent and what may not) everything has meaning or nothing does because to say that something without meaning came from something that does it is just an extension of the meaning. so in other words if you were to argue for meaninglessness prove it go kill your self or someone else cause after all its meaningless and reasonless. other wise then you do live for meaning and reason.
btw if i were to find a true shaman i would have to travel to Siberia, but on that note i have traveled to Alaska and learned from on of their elders. Shaman = Siberian elder. but any who. dont worry i will travel to south America and many places around the world as i have been. also south America as i stated has many many diversity in religious practice similar to how the Philippines are but way bigger. i might add i know Filipino healers. one thing that remains clear and present all practices with spiritual energy run on similar principles, south american medicine man,mid western natives, Filipino,new age,reiki,tai chi, kung fu, and more, people must be aware. just kinda watch this he kinda explains a good deal using novelty
i feel as tho you ignored what self evolution is. but any who no its not just drugs things are very sacred and things deserve respect these drugs deserve the same respect we give each other or anything else we put in our body. I think everything should be taken with great deal of seriousness and just cause things are serious doesnt mean they cant be fun or they cant be a good time. i do agree but only to a certain degree about believing everything you see cause you have to believe it as the event that happened but not exactly what people said happened. like card tricks yeah its a trick it happened from there you need to know how.
hell one of my biggest teachers was coyote and frog. btw and i never bad trip nor the people with me its when they loose track of themselves and become what they think is being alone in delusion that things turn bad.
and also who said introspection isnt fun? well thats a tad bit for you
btw as for the conquest it will just be a mutal agreement and if anything their elders will die out enough blood has been shed. and as i said they fight over that stuff with themselves the Spanish conquest infact brought alot of them together the same way hilter brought together the people who took him down and changed the world. The Spanish conquest is a part of a reason one of the vendors people get p torch from exists, his tribe and rival tribes banded together to fight them off. cause im sure a good deal of people ordering from that site didnt talk to the person running it about his history as i have seen many healing plants disappear to be replaced with main steam entheos which was sad to see, but hey its a buyers market right. comsumers are the part of that eco system and all that dont really need to exist for it to function and would function better with out.
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
Edited by Sra_sephiroth0 (01/03/08 12:00 PM)
|
fantastical
Strangler!
Registered: 11/18/07
Posts: 89
Last seen: 13 years, 7 months
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
#7827215 - 01/03/08 12:19 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
There are Hindi religions that worship alcohol, and south americans used tobacco as a holy snuff, but since we are all familiar with these drugs we learn very little from them other than haveing a good time. These drugs are mysterious because they are not nearly as easily available and most information on them is from religious shamanic use so obviously people often hear about the spiritual side of these substances. Just because terrance mckenna saw the elves, it does not mean they exist, but many people now see them becuase they expect to see them. Maybe they teach you things, or maybe you are just really fuckin wapped and tripping balls? And yes leave the south americans alone, if they want to use the brew in their own way who teh fuck are you to go there and tell them they are doing it wrong. Its like some people like joints and some like bongs, different people do things differently. Get over yourself. AND no I won't kill somone, even if life is pointless, even if it doesn't matter, I would still rather not, that is way too extreme of an example. Did your self teaching ever lead you to maybe think you are crazy? I mean you won't be able to show all of south america that their mthod of drug use is wrong, and they should use yours instead, how do you know what you inderstand is the truth and is right..did god tell you, or were you wapped and came to a random conclusion? Seriously dude, pushing your beliefs on others is a bad bad thing.
|
ReoSpeedwagon153


Registered: 02/04/06
Posts: 2,098
Loc: Chetumal, Mexico
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
#7827461 - 01/03/08 01:23 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
I didn't even realize this was the you, thedudenj.
For some reason this whole thread makes a lot more sense now.
-------------------- “I thought naming myself ‘ReoSpeedwagon153’ on a forum was a funny idea in 2006.”
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb


Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,532
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
#7827659 - 01/03/08 02:15 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
would you offer yourself as a cult leader, knowingly?
--------------------
_ 🧠 _
|
Sra_sephiroth0
Malicious Puppet's clone


Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 411
Last seen: 16 years, 6 days
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: redgreenvines]
#7828064 - 01/03/08 03:46 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
ha ha i dont need to really push em those who know just need to sit and watch. its hard to explain no i dont have a cult but i guess you could say i do if you wanted by definition in Webster's i do but teachers do to then. As i said many battles were fought over this and im sure they will show me their way as many leaders do and there will be a middle ground due to them not being able to ignore what i showed them and vice versa. its not about superiority its self evolution. ha ha i knew you didnt realize at first reo but ... But its really about the energy systems. but as fantstical said" Just because Terrance mckenna saw the elves, it does not mean they exist, but many people now see them because they expect to see them. Maybe they teach you things, or maybe you are just really fuckin wapped and tripping balls?"
well what about when you choose a specific day on the calender then create a novelty and telempathicly send it to some one(who is not suspecting a thing thinking its a normal day" then they draw it and trip ball and call you up and ask damn what are you trippping on man wow and explain what they now know. The medicine men have been talking about the stuff i do for years too, i was doing it before i knew of them and vice versa. There are universal things and my job is reuniting the universe and making it apparent to those who arnt aware and helping em work it. and of course universal in the sense of taking a universal remote sitting out side someones house and then flipping their channels with it then going ha ha i got the universal remote. but inside of with a tv minds and going ha ha im in the Universal mind, your part of the universe deal with it tho your welcome to come with me and test this out too. its really like programing in ghost in the shell for sure. My healing circle runs long and far and im certain many more medicine men will join.
|
Phishe
Lysergic Bliss



Registered: 01/21/06
Posts: 2,908
Loc: Planet Earth
Last seen: 11 years, 4 months
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#7828400 - 01/03/08 05:12 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ReoSpeedwagon153 said: I didn't even realize this was the you, thedudenj.
For some reason this whole thread makes a lot more sense now.
Haha how do you know it's him.
I kind of thought it was deep down.
|
notapillow
I want to be a fisherman



Registered: 09/29/03
Posts: 31,129
Loc: A rare and different tune
Last seen: 3 years, 11 months
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: Phishe]
#7828432 - 01/03/08 05:22 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
this topic came up during the campfire trippness at the recent CA gathering
bottom line, nothing is sacred
--------------------
|
fantastical
Strangler!
Registered: 11/18/07
Posts: 89
Last seen: 13 years, 7 months
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: notapillow]
#7828448 - 01/03/08 05:29 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
I agree with what not a pillow said By the way I am really confused at what the original poster is talking about. What is it you are planning on doing, and please awnser in fluent language and not in random metaphors that don't make sense (at least to me haha). Like Sra: what the hell does this mean? and of course universal in the sense of taking a universal remote sitting out side someones house and then flipping their channels with it then going ha ha i got the universal remote. but inside of with a tv minds and going ha ha im in the Universal mind,
All I can think is that you believe in mind control or telepathy. There is no universe man, its all an illusion (joke!)
|
Sra_sephiroth0
Malicious Puppet's clone


Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 411
Last seen: 16 years, 6 days
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: fantastical]
#7828835 - 01/03/08 06:51 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
sigh nothing is sacred but everything is and just disregaurding thing's sacredness is not the same thing( the main lesson of coyote).
i too have had convos with hippie poeple too around the festival but some just disagree with conservation of matter and energy so i cant agree with them all but others i can.
and well obviously there is not universal man, its more so a awareness and shivaist practice that. what im pulling on is just the basics of every know religion thats all ... the collective consciousness in the whole. the same way a native medicine man can hop into someones mind and take them thru the desert,jungle,forst as a spirit or in the form of an animal. Going against what im saying is going against that as well as tia chi,reiki, and many other healing practice or energy work practices. Cause im not saying that they are all seprate but one thing but expressed in differnt ways based upon the views of the users. Fuck even energy vampire people use the same lines or at least the legit ones. And btw my word is Ill as in sick and Lusion as to ludere 1 : amusing or laughable through obvious absurdity, incongruity, exaggeration, or eccentricity 2 : meriting derisive laughter or scorn as absurdly inept, false, or foolish.1 : to avoid adroitly : evade <the mice eluded the traps> <managed to elude capture> 2 : to escape the perception, understanding, or grasp of <subtlety simply eludes them> <victory continued to elude us> 3 : defy tho there can be clames that i allude aka make indirect referances or am broad but any who.
im a real magician, healer, preist, and medicine man not a illusionist. I fight illusionists and alot of what goes down in south american and in other countries where spirituallity can be exploited. first it was asians with hinduism,buddhism in which buddha was portired as a fat man which if you really look into it that as another chinesse deity, to zen,the martial arts(including shotokan the house of shoto,tai chi, akido, go gu ru,fung foo,) many south american healers only heal "spirtual things" and wont even touch physical stuff and just say that physical ills come from spiritual reason which i do agree with tho but sometimes you need to treat both for someone to fully heal. and back when oda nobunaga burnt down the monks tempeles, those werent real monks even just lairs and fakes. which goes back to where some people were going with this. shit needs to be kept real for sure and as i stated in the past Reason and Meaning are what makes things real and are ever present and never fade unless it never really was the real reason but one created under the real one. inother word novelty for a reason thus being reason it self. so i guess dont belive everything you here but some unbelivable things are true and your stupid to have let that pass right by you
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
|
fantastical
Strangler!
Registered: 11/18/07
Posts: 89
Last seen: 13 years, 7 months
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
#7829713 - 01/03/08 09:34 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
But what about the remote control/Television comments you made, what were you talking about?...is english your second language? And i didnt mean that as an insult, I just find it a little hard to figure out what you are trying to say, what are you trying to change in S. America, haha and those remotes...so confusing.
Edited by fantastical (01/03/08 09:36 PM)
|
Sra_sephiroth0
Malicious Puppet's clone


Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 411
Last seen: 16 years, 6 days
|
Re: sacred uses vs. those who only think their way is sacred [Re: fantastical]
#7829746 - 01/03/08 09:40 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
|
|
sigh as i said its like when in the universal mind like the remote you can tap into everything capable of receiving the signals. tho sometimes the volume button might act on channel change and vise versa with channel change button, but still further unknownling or knowling by them now they are watching the same channel as you and if you put on colors of inifinty or some other cool movie they just might stop questioning what the fuck just changed their channel and see that you or what ever changed only did so, so that you would be on the same channel and they could recieve your message. and yes im an alien. its like im the guy from The Prodigy - Out of Space cept this is that place and that song was created in memory of the old one in another race. lol For the love of god i hope your not like the other guy who didnt get my metaphors at all not the slighest cause i cant say he is well.
btw one vision i gave him which you might have got to him had to do with puzzles and sloving stuff to achieve the state of what man considers god and just not making it. cause things got too hard.
im not god or an angel but according to some religions i am, i met someone who had a christain raising who had a faith healer put him in a trance and well he was super responsive to me and my powers. so its not hard to believe anything that happened in the bible specially with things medicine men do now.
i might add jim morrison made a song about it tho i dont think he fully got it he was trickly like that and would say i dont belive in astrology but its some fucked up shit right!.
also edgar casey who didnt claim to be a shaman or do drugs but claimed to god talked of the universal mind and thats where he got his healing abilities fuck i was a skeptic and well Ed Dames from project start gate even who deffinatly wouldnt understand my metaphors and is the reason why when Mel Riley arranged a fake session in which a description was given of Santa Claus coming over the North Pole in his sleigh (Schnabel). Dames said the object over the north pole was a nuclear attack, and was set to call the highest levels of the military, before he was informed of the prank. Internally, his reputation never recovered. the moral of that is minds can be tricked specially when to talented people have a battle of wits. Which i might just add as it has been said in the past little kids called me santa while i was wearing a know your mushrooms hoodie and jeans, cause they viewed me in a simliar fashion as that remote viewer. which ties back to Univeral controled remote veiwing. things get intense. during that season i was picking many amnaita and giving em out to people and using a cloak of red energy.
Edited by Sra_sephiroth0 (01/03/08 09:57 PM)
|
|