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Can I berth this?
    #7825845 - 01/02/08 11:05 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

This is my first attempt at a grow .....(actually, my second, the first one was completely overtaken by mold).

As you can see in the pic, there is a small uncolonized spot on the bottom of the jar. I am trying desperately to get something by January 18 ... 15 days away ... I'm thinking I won't have much of a chance unless I birth a jar or two now...

Would I have maybe a little bit of success with this jar ... the small spot on the bottom has stalled for the past few days..





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Re: Can I berth this? [Re: slim26]
    #7825852 - 01/02/08 11:07 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

um, well you do know you're supposed to wait a week after the outside is fully colonized, so that the inside gets fully colonized

if you birth it now, chances are it won't pin for that entire week anyways


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Re: Can I berth this? [Re: slim26]
    #7825865 - 01/02/08 11:10 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

well if you birth it now you run the risk of not getting any growth due to increased susceptibility to contaminants..

sure you could cut off the uncolonized part and put dry verm on it.. but why not just wait?

do you really only have one cake?

if i were you i would just wait like another week.. if you just cant wait use a sterilized knife to cut off uncolonized portion in a single smooth cut and dunk it and then roll it and make sure you put extra dry verm where you cut off..


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Re: Can I berth this? [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7825882 - 01/02/08 11:13 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Just wait.

Seriously, 1 cake?


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Re: Can I berth this? [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7825886 - 01/02/08 11:13 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

I have 8 cakes. .. 2 that are very close to being fully colonized... the other 6 are not colonized at all on the bottom.

If I were to wait another week before birthing, would there be any chance to have any fruits by friday the 18th?


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Re: Can I berth this? [Re: slim26]
    #7825967 - 01/02/08 11:48 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

depends.. usually takes a week from birth to pinning and then a good nother half a week to get fruits so..

you do the math.

it's nature.

it's not exact... might take longer.

what's the rush?


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Re: Can I berth this? [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7825999 - 01/02/08 11:59 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

why is the cake stalling? What is your jar fit with for gas exchange? Is the temperature suitable?


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Re: Can I berth this? [Re: Alphanautics]
    #7826014 - 01/03/08 12:05 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

slim,
You are just dieing to fuck shit up aren't you?


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Re: Can I berth this? [Re: tahoe]
    #7826498 - 01/03/08 06:05 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

thanks for the advice guys.. at the very least, sounds like I need to keep them in the incubator for at least several more days. I guess I'm a bit anxious as I am going away that weekend and was hoping to have a little something to bring with me....

As for why it's stalling... I wish I knew .. it seems like in the past 4 or 5 days I've seen minimal to no growth. My incubator is two rubermaid tubs with some water in the outside tub. Temperature is set to 82 - 83 degrees. When I originally put the jars in, I had microspore tape over the holes, but took the tape off after 4-5 days.

I'm not sure the best method to promote gas exchange. Originally I was putting the cover on the outside container, but I believe that may have been creating too much humidity inside. I then drilled a bunch of holes in the cover so the humidity can escape (after I saw they were stalling)... that didn't seem to help. Now I am not using any cover at all and just draping a towel over the outside container. I have also turned all of the jars upside down, on top of a small baking rack inside the incubator (i figure I would need to give it some space for gas exchange), still am not seeing any additional growth.


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Re: Can I berth this? [Re: slim26]
    #7826506 - 01/03/08 06:16 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

That looks like a pint jar.

Pints jars are not recomended for that exact reason. Its very comon to have slow growth, and stall using a pint jar.

1/2 pints work great for the pf tek, i would much rather make up twice as many 1/2 pints than pints. If u had used 1/2 pints instead they would probably be in the FC a few days ago.

All u can do is wait, if it still does not colinise in the next few days, it may have stalled complelty.

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Re: Can I berth this? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7826565 - 01/03/08 07:21 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

actually they are 1/2 pint jars. They are Ball Jelly Jars...


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Re: Can I berth this? [Re: slim26]
    #7826843 - 01/03/08 09:51 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

word i got those same jars.

first time of pf tek it took right around a month..(no incubator) and that was almost 2 weeks after flipping it due to slow growth (including the week you wait after full colonization)

you'll be fine dude..


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Re: Can I berth this? [Re: Seventy]
    #7826859 - 01/03/08 09:56 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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Seventy said:
um, well you do know you're supposed to wait a week after the outside is fully colonized, so that the inside gets fully colonized





That is not the reason we wait. How can the outside of a cake possibly be fully colonized and the center not??? The greatest area of the cake is around the outside edges. The distance from the outside to the middle is much smaller.

We wait a week after full colonization to allow the mycelium to consolidate its hold on the substrate. Until that consolidation takes place, the cake will not fruit. This process will happen faster in the jar than out, and also the substrate isn't drying out during the consolidation phase.

Anything you do to 'speed up' the process will slow it down.
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Re: Can I berth this? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7827172 - 01/03/08 12:06 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

ahh, alright

thanks for the correction RR, makes sense


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Re: Can I berth this? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7827229 - 01/03/08 12:22 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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How can the outside of a cake possibly be fully colonized and the center not??? The greatest area of the cake is around the outside edges. The distance from the outside to the middle is much smaller.

RR




this is only the case if your cake was made correctly. If it is too wet or gets water in it during steriliztaion then it becomes a lump of substrate that mycelium cannot penetrate and colonize the inside. Sort of like agar


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Re: Can I berth this? [Re: tahoe]
    #7827457 - 01/03/08 01:22 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Actually I'm pretty sure that's a 1/2 pint...I have jars that look almost identical to that one and they are half pints...

Could be tho?


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