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DXM, and pot addiction.
    #7824697 - 01/02/08 06:19 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Whats up everybody.

Now before i tell my story let me just assure you that i know a lot of you guys arent too fond of DXM and find it pretty useless or dont see it as a good time. im not here to argue that, well maybe i am, but im sure not trying to tell anyone they should go out and do it; you may not enjot it.

But as for me, i happen to find it very useful as it helps me get over withdrawals from my pot addiction.
It really does help me become my old, sober self again almost instantly after the robo trip. yes, i use robitussin max strength syrup. its the closest thing i can get to pure dxm.

Ive been a pot addict for about 4 years now, it really is a big problem i cant really control once i get started. the longest ive gone without weed was 6 months this past summer, all the other times were an average of a week. i really dont like being a stoner, not one bit. i get stupid, waste money on stupid shit, EAT and EAT and EAT which of course makes me fat, im not a fun person to be around, i get selfish, assholeish, and all i want to do all day is get high. seriously before i even do ANYTHING from taking a shower, to driving my car, going to work, falling asleep, i feel it necessary to get high. i even HAVE to smoke before i can eat a meal.

the times that ive gotten out of that stoner state of mind i feel SO much better, i have a good view on life and take action in doing good things that get my life going places.

BUT then comes that one day when i feel i can get high and i convince myself that i can handle it and not get out of control. i think "well ill just get high this one time and not do it again for a long time."
as you can probably guess that has NEVER, EVER worked.
oh no, sure enough that same day i buy myself an 8th and burn it all up by the next day. then i just want more and more, still thinking im in control, but it grabs a hold of me, and the worst part is i dont even really notice it. ill keep going and going digging deeper until something bad happens and i realize i need to stop. and when i do stop i get really depressed and irritable with everything. ill stay in my room all day not doing shit. its fucking pathetic.

but enough of that, lets get back to the DXM.

just last week i was going through my withdrawals from pot because i stopped smoking on christmas eve.
new years eve i downed a 4oz bottle of robo hoping that it would help me out, and it did.


i chugged it pretty fast. all the other times i take about 15 minutes to get it all down. just thinking about the smell/taste makes me sick, but i can handle it.
the experience turned out to be a great one, i really enjoyed it, but it went by very quick since i had drank it so fast. it was pretty intense at the peak of it. the week before hand i had been having some really amazing dreams, but i barely remembered what they were when i would wake up, i just knew they were some rally great dreams.

well, at the the peak of my trip all those dreams i had suddenly came back to me one by one very clearly. i was in the dreamscape of each of them reliving them. it was such a great experience! if you can imagine what that would be like.

now im back to my old, happy slef. im doing good and i hope i continue to do good and not become tangled up in the mess pot brings to me. i know i have a problem with it and i might go out and seek help. i want to live my life the way i feel it is meant to be lived.
and i feel for all the people here on the boards and everywhere else that might have a similar problem and are having a difficult time.

its a new year so what better time to make a change for the better than right now!


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7824832 - 01/02/08 06:47 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

trying to curb your pot addiction with something like dxm probably isn't the brightest idea dude, even though i sort of understand where you're coming from. dxm can be pretty awesome, and i really have nothing against it - i just wish i didn't have to go through all sorts of unhealthy problems and fuck my liver over to get that dreamy feeling i'm so fond of. ah well, just try to cut back on pot, don't drop it cold turkey or you'll just come back for more. :japsmile:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7824845 - 01/02/08 06:51 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

DXM can be cool stuff providing your in the right enviroment, just like any other psychedelics. As far as helping out your addiction, I have to agree with you. When I was heavily addicted to opiates, psychedelics were the key to me getting in the right mindset to kick it. DXM included.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: 2FiNiTe]
    #7824853 - 01/02/08 06:52 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

dxm is actually a dissociative - the opposite of a psychedelic


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7824865 - 01/02/08 06:55 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

So is Salvia, but most people compare it to DMT. Regardless the classification it works on me (and everyone I've ever spoken to thats done it) like a psychedelic.

Marijuana is classified with Heroin & Cocaine, but I fail to see any connection between them.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: 2FiNiTe]
    #7824870 - 01/02/08 06:55 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

K+DXM=:thumbup:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Tangerines]
    #7824939 - 01/02/08 07:14 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

i use to have a bad problem with DXM. i was taking it about 3-4 times a week for almost 4 years. i even took a bunch before i had a dentist appointment just because they were pulling a tooth and that scared the shit out of me. DXM is a horrible drug to abuse. DXM is the only thing i ever regret using. just be careful and please don't go overboard.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Tangerines]
    #7824950 - 01/02/08 07:18 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Wow. A open-minded DXM thread. :shocked:
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Tangerines said:
K+DXM=:thumbup:



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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: imthenewpope]
    #7824963 - 01/02/08 07:20 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

i can relate. I wasn't "addicted" to weed but always had this idea that god damn this is obviously no good for my lungs (i dont smoke cigs) and i never did. my last mushroom trip blew my mind and its been a month since my last hit of weed, and this is from smoking 3 times a day to stopping cold turkey after a mushroom trip. i beleive ya man.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7824977 - 01/02/08 07:25 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

i dont understand how someone can become addicted to marijuana. isn't it listed as a psychedelic?

why would you use dxm to try and solve your marijuana addiction?

sorry to judge. i use to use dxm, but i only did it a handful of times. i like it at first and then it just didn't do anything. after using shrooms, i realized the psychedelics were my thing, not dissociative.

good luck in quiting both though. but honestly, if your addicted to marijuana, something i know many people quit easily, i would suggest counseling or something.

again, sorry if i came off as an ass.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7825451 - 01/02/08 09:16 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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i dont understand how someone can become addicted to marijuana. "

You've got to be kidding me....

I've known quite a few pot addicts in my day.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: johnm214]
    #7825460 - 01/02/08 09:18 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

its not really an addiction but more along the lines of a something you need....... heh heh


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: imthenewpope]
    #7825464 - 01/02/08 09:19 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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imthenewpope said:
its not really an addiction but more along the lines of a something you need




That right there sounds like the words of an addict.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Tangerines]
    #7825493 - 01/02/08 09:23 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

i was thinking more of an idiot. i really wanted to post but wasn't sure what to say. seriously though, i don't see how people can be addicted to bud. i use to smoke all day every day and when i didn't have any, yeah i was irritated, but that really doesn't mean shit.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7825510 - 01/02/08 09:27 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

you know why DXM helps curb addictions dontcha?



it cleanses the body of toxins, and re-aligns cosmic frequencies  :yesnod:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: imthenewpope]
    #7825511 - 01/02/08 09:27 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

I haven't smoked in like 4 days and i'm pretty damn sure I can feel some mild withdrawal symptoms...I don't know about you guys but i'm lethargic as a mother fucker for the first week of not smoking after going a couple months of blazing everyday. not lazy but actually physically drained to a degree. kind of feels like the first day of the flu but persistant for 1-2 weeks.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: sublime40oz]
    #7825529 - 01/02/08 09:31 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

its all in your mind home slice. I'm sorry but you cant have withdraws from bud. there is no physical addiction. well, for me and the 300 people Ive smoked with.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Muppet]
    #7825554 - 01/02/08 09:36 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Quote:

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you know why DXM helps curb addictions dontcha?



it cleanses the body of toxins, and re-aligns cosmic frequencies  :yesnod:




Sounds like someone's been drinking too much cough syrup.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: imthenewpope]
    #7825560 - 01/02/08 09:39 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

"Most people do not experience signs of physical addiction, but with regular daily use use, mild to medium withdrawal symptoms usually occur for less than a week, but can extend for as long as 6 weeks." quoted from erowid.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #7825859 - 01/02/08 11:09 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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Sounds like someone's been drinking too much cough syrup.



yeah...I know that's how it sounds, but you gotta remember that there's a whole 'world beneath the world' when it comes to our existence (what with psychics and all of that malarkey) and I guarantee you that there's a lot of shit going on here that science hasn't even begun to wrap it's fingers around



DXM is just one of those things  :craven:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: imthenewpope]
    #7825955 - 01/02/08 11:43 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

1. addiction and tolerance/dependance are different things. you can be an addict w/out dependance

2. THC, at least, causes tolerance and withdrawal symptoms

google scholar is your friend for those who disbelieve

But withdrawal isn't usually a major factor in most addictions anyways, and certainly not for pot


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Muppet]
    #7826625 - 01/03/08 08:19 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

are you pro or anti DXM?


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: imthenewpope]
    #7826650 - 01/03/08 08:36 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Marijuana isn't addictive.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7826669 - 01/03/08 08:47 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

This thread just reminds me of half baked when Thurgood gets ridiculed at an addiction meeting for saying he is addicted to pot.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Stizzle]
    #7826674 - 01/03/08 08:50 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

you ever suck dick for weed?


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: imthenewpope]
    #7826678 - 01/03/08 08:53 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

dxm is synthesized from unicorn cum


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: imthenewpope]
    #7826773 - 01/03/08 09:32 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

DAMN IT, beat me to the punch. To the OP: You really need to reevaluate your life if you believe that one drug can cure the psychological addiction of another.

Also, what you're experiencing is an after glow of a good trip, not to sound negative but it is a bit premature to be saying that you're doing good, a week ain't shit.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: imthenewpope]
    #7826945 - 01/03/08 10:25 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Quote:

imthenewpope said:
are you pro or anti DXM?



I dunno...why don't you tell me  :smirk:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Drunken_Jester]
    #7826985 - 01/03/08 10:37 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

you wouldn't suck dick for a cigarette either but its still an addiction.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: sam420]
    #7826993 - 01/03/08 10:41 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

I let somebody else suck my dick for alcohol once  :smirk:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Muppet]
    #7827084 - 01/03/08 11:33 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

well i knew some of you would not agree with my means to ending my marijuana addiction/dependence/state of mind/ WHATEVER the fuck you want to see it as. the thing is it DOES cause change in the chemical reactions in my brain, so its not like everything is normal and "its all in my head." yes, in fact, it IS all in my head.

and just to clear things up a bit, i do watch what i put into my body and try to take care of myslef as best as i can while at the same time partaking in drug consumption. im not saying DXM is by any means GOOD for the body, i know its bad, but as far as drugs go im fine with using it in MODERATION. ive only done it about 10 times in my life and not more than once in the same month.
i dont want to continue that cycle of smoking pot and using DXM to make me feel better when i stop smoking. they are both not worth the lost time and money in my opinion, but what the hell nobodys perfect.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7827113 - 01/03/08 11:47 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Heres a really good report on DXM i stumbled upon. on the second to last paragraph under "effects of DXM" it states it has been shown to help withdrawal symptoms.

enlighten yourselves!:awesome:

THE USES AND PSYCHOACTIVE PROPERTIES OF DEXTROMETHORPHAN


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7827206 - 01/03/08 12:16 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

You're the one drinking cough syrup to stop smoking weed and you're telling us to enlighten ourselves? :runaway:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Stizzle]
    #7827216 - 01/03/08 12:19 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

i like dxm + weed personally. jk haha


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Stizzle]
    #7827249 - 01/03/08 12:29 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Im sure your own advice and the people's advice you might follow must come from the purest, most reliable sources 100% of the time.:ooo:  :satan:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7827261 - 01/03/08 12:31 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

If you want to quit smoking weed then just don't smoke weed. You sound like a high school kid who has been brainwashed by anti-drug propaganda.

Oh my pot withdrawal is so severe I need to drink a whole bottle of Robitussin to deal with it! Goddamn my man! That sounds so fucking stupid for real.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Skunk420]
    #7827267 - 01/03/08 12:32 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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i like dxm + weed personally. jk haha



Thats actually great combo. The weed is almost essential.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: The_Ghost]
    #7827285 - 01/03/08 12:36 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

dxm and cannabis balance each other


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7827307 - 01/03/08 12:41 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

yeah yeah.

my withdrawal was not the most extreme case of withdrawal ever heard of, but it was still a withdrawal.

ANY withdrawal symptoms, be it mild or severe, suck. i just wasnt feeling like my own self, and that can be a bad time for anybody.

and yes i have stopped smoking pot before without the use of any other drugs, yeah it works and all but all the symptoms linger for at LEAST 2 weeks, usually i still feel unmotivated and not outgoing for months after. and i fucking HATE feeling like that.

dxm, ive found, just helps that go away a lot quicker. i understand for you that sounds like the wrong thing to do, but what can i say.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7827337 - 01/03/08 12:49 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

beer is the best thing to deal with in cannabis addiction, i think without beer i would have never gone over a year without weed.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Skunk420]
    #7827347 - 01/03/08 12:51 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

damn a year? good work.

mmmmm beeer and weeeeed:drooling:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7827350 - 01/03/08 12:53 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Alcohol really is addictive


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7827357 - 01/03/08 12:55 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

yeah id rather be a pothead than an alcoholic.:headbang:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: sam420]
    #7827363 - 01/03/08 12:56 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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you wouldn't suck dick for a cigarette either but its still an addiction.




Actually, if tobacco was made illegal and had the same supply and demand dynamics as drugs like cocaine and heroin people would suck dick for it.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7827381 - 01/03/08 01:02 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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you wouldn't suck dick for a cigarette either but its still an addiction.




Actually, if tobacco was made illegal and had the same supply and demand dynamics as drugs like cocaine and heroin people would suck dick for it.



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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7827398 - 01/03/08 01:07 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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you wouldn't suck dick for a cigarette either but its still an addiction.




Actually, if tobacco was made illegal and had the same supply and demand dynamics as drugs like cocaine and heroin people would suck dick for it.




Nah, they wouldn't. I know lots of people that smoke cigarettes and they wouldn't suck a dick to aquire illegal tobacco. Some people would suck dick for a McDonalds though so I guess it depends who you are. But I digress....


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7827408 - 01/03/08 01:10 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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Alcohol really is addictive


.,.oh no joke either, i cant go a day without a beer. Alcohol is my deamon still, that is why i dont mind smoking pot everyday too.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7827429 - 01/03/08 01:15 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

again, there is a difference between addiction and tolerance/dependance.
Marijuana causes both, but you seem to be arguing that it isn't addictive because it doesn't cause much abstinance syndroms compared to other drugs.

If you want to have a conversation about this, conform to the defintion of the words.

"An addiction is a recurring compulsion by an individual to engage in some specific activity, despite harmful consequences to the individual's health, mental state or social life." wikipedia, unsourced, but similar to dsm def.

your arguments are off-point, or you are using an unfamiliar definition of the word addiction


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: johnm214]
    #7827890 - 01/03/08 03:06 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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again, there is a difference between addiction and tolerance/dependance.
Marijuana causes both, but you seem to be arguing that it isn't addictive because it doesn't cause much abstinance syndroms compared to other drugs.

If you want to have a conversation about this, conform to the defintion of the words.

"An addiction is a recurring compulsion by an individual to engage in some specific activity, despite harmful consequences to the individual's health, mental state or social life." wikipedia, unsourced, but similar to dsm def.

your arguments are off-point, or you are using an unfamiliar definition of the word addiction




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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7827940 - 01/03/08 03:18 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

What's the difference? Even if you're arguing marijuana doesn't cause withdrawal symptoms, you're wrong. There's a plethora of animal studies showing this, and plenty of human data:

"Although marijuana is the most commonly used illicit drug in the United States, it is not established whether withdrawal from chronic use results in a clinically significant abstinence syndrome. The present study was conducted to characterize symptoms associated with marijuana withdrawal following chronic use during a supervised 28-day abstinence period. Three groups of participants were studied: (a) current chronic marijuana users, (b) former chronic marijuana users who had not used marijuana for at least 6 months prior to the study, and (c) marijuana nonusers. Current users experienced significant increases in anxiety, irritability, physical tension, and physical symptoms and decreases in mood and appetite during marijuana withdrawal. These symptoms were most pronounced during the initial 10 days of abstinence, but some were present for the entire 28-day withdrawal period. These findings support the notion of a marijuana withdrawal syndrome in humans." See:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&uid=11127420&cmd=showdetailview&indexed=google


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: johnm214]
    #7828124 - 01/03/08 04:00 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

dot gov says it all

A little horse sense and experience is all you need to know that it's not addictive.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7828335 - 01/03/08 04:54 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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dot gov says it all

A little horse sense and experience is all you need to know that it's not addictive.



It all boils down to one's definition of 'addictive' thou. I mean I wouldn't call it addictive, but are there definite withdrawals after extensive regular smoking? Definitely. For some thats an addiction.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: The_Ghost]
    #7828554 - 01/03/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

so basically what it comes down to is that shit like that simply rolls off of some people's backs...and other's are more pussies about it, right?


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Muppet]
    #7828592 - 01/03/08 06:11 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

I definitely think pot can be addictive to some people, me being one of them. i mean i used to steal money from my parents to get more weed. my life revolved around it.

if you have a family history of addiction or have some sort of child trauma then you can definitely become an addict to pot, ESPECIALLY if you mix it with other drugs/alcohol. why is this such a hard concept to accept? :crankey:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7828639 - 01/03/08 06:22 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Then you're the type who would steal from his family to buy cds or any other thing you desire.

I've watched junkies die. I watched a friend lie convulsing on a couch with a stain on the backside of his jeans where some kind of mucus/shit was leaking from his anus. That's withdrawal from an addictive drug. Wishing you had a cool buzz isn't an addiction it's just wishing you had something you didn't. The anti-drug propagandists have been trying to sell the idea that marijuana is addictive for ages. I just can't believe it's caught on.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Muppet]
    #7828658 - 01/03/08 06:25 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

DXM can be helpful with some withdrawal to certain substances. If I remember correctly it was used for Heroin addiction at one point.
Here is something helpful from the DXM faq by William White

4.15.4 DXM for Drug Addiction



DXM, as well as other dissociatives, seems to prevent and even reverse tolerance to (and thus physical addiction to) many drugs. In the case of opiates, DXM has been used to treat withdrawal symptoms (169). DXM plus diazepam (ValiumTM) was tested and found to be more effective at combating the symptoms of heroin withdrawal (goose flesh, tremors, pupil dilation, joint pains, etc.) than chlorpromazine (ThorazineTM) plus diazepam (34). A further study verified this and found that adding tizanidine (an alpha-2 adrenergic agonist) to the DXM+diazepam cocktail was even more effective (133).

Dissociatives have also been found to reverse or prevent tolerance to cocaine (247), nicotine (249), and alcohol (232), and some researchers have suggested that DXM (and other NMDA antagonists) may be universally useful in most if not all drug addictions.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7828671 - 01/03/08 06:27 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

now are we talking a physical addiction here, or a psychological one?

cause anyone could (in theory anyway) psychologically become addicted to pretty much anything...but just because you can't physiologically adjust without your crutch, that doesn't mean that you physically aren't capable to continuing on without it

unless, of course, you're just feeling the slightest little 'twinge' of physical withdrawal (which is, in fact, truly there...albeit only to a nominal degree) and your building it up in your mind to be way more then it actually is, just because psychologically you feel that you 'need it'



cause it seems to me that the *physical* aspects of withdrawal (even for long term chronic smokers) simply is not that big of a deal  :nonono:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7828706 - 01/03/08 06:33 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Thats a bold statement. just how long have you known me?

i hope you realise you cant really figure out a person well enough THROUGH THE INTERNET enough to say what type of person they are, but thanks for taking a shot at it.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7828733 - 01/03/08 06:37 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

You just admitted you stole from your family to buy weed.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Muppet]
    #7828738 - 01/03/08 06:38 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

yes, its more of a psychological addiction.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7828799 - 01/03/08 06:46 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Yes and my sober self would never do that is what my point is.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7828888 - 01/03/08 06:57 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

You should accept the shame for your behavior not try to shift the blame to weed or anything else.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7829039 - 01/03/08 07:15 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

:rolleyes:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7829830 - 01/03/08 09:58 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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dot gov says it all

A little horse sense and experience is all you need to know that it's not addictive.




you seem ignorant to me

that site catalogs studies

here is the facility information:

Behavioral Psychopharmacology Research Laboratory, McLean Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Belmont, Massachusetts 02478, USA. elena_kouri@hms.harvard.edu


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: johnm214]
    #7830430 - 01/04/08 12:30 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

lol muppet, at first i thought you were making fun of dxm, until i noticed the line about worlds beneath the world

i used to go beneath the world looking up into it... very weird. right below it i often went to a place that looked like computer circuitry or something like that.

below that, complete emptiness.

but yeah i can see how dxm would help you get over an addiction. it really releases you from all the nags of the body.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7830604 - 01/04/08 01:54 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Seems to me you're being pedantic. Nobody here claimed weed was as addictive as heroin.

There are barely any physical withdrawals from nicotine. I have smoked tobacco and marijuana for about 5 years and of the two, personally I find weed much harder to kick. Tobacco is nasty tasting, and doesn't do anything besides fill the tobacco void. Weed tastes great and makes you feel great, and for me it is more addicting, even if only psychologically (although as already mentioned, there can be minor physical symptoms). When you have been stoned every day for years try stopping and tell me you feel completely normal and don't crave a bong.

I wouldn't do anything bad to get weed. Compared to hard stuff yes, it is a minor addiction. What part of this do you completely fail to understand? Perhaps once again you fail to recognise a distinction between addiction and dependence.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: sam420]
    #7830755 - 01/04/08 05:14 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

There's no addiction without physical dependence. I don't care how many mumbo-jumbo jargon filled studies you quote.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7830774 - 01/04/08 05:25 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

> There's no addiction without physical dependence.

Unfortunately, the term "addition" has multiple meanings depending upon the context and the listener. Generally, I see the word as you do, to mean a physical dependence upon an "external" chemical. Heroin would be a good example of something that is addictive while methamphetamine would be a good example of something that is not addictive. However, a lot of people use the word "addiction" as a synonym for "habit forming". In this context, both heroin and methamphetamine are addictive.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7830783 - 01/04/08 05:32 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

I didn't quote any.

I'm not going to argue dictionary terms with you. Perhaps 'habit-forming' would be a better term. In my view even 'shopping is addictive' is a legitimate statement. Do you have a point or are you just some kind of word-warrior / troll?


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: sam420]
    #7830802 - 01/04/08 05:53 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

My point is marijuana is not addictive. It's important to me because I don't like it when marijuana gets an unfair bad rap. I read that more people are in drug rehab for marijuana than any other drug. Judges and bosses are sending people to rehab to be cured of their 'addictions' to marijuana. High school kids truly believe they're addicted to it. Even fucking people on the Shroomery are buying into it. OK sure it depends on how you define the word 'addictive' but for fuck's sake don't allow them to turn your words against you to exploit people and make more money for the anti-marijuana political extremists who imprison and brainwash people with 'reefer madness' type of hysteria. Drug addiction is a serious health concern and MARIJUANA IS NOT ADDICTIVE. And every time someone says it is they're playing right into the hands of the political right. Use some fucking savvy. This guy saying 'I stole from my family to buy weed.' sounds like some shit MTV would put on the air to brainwash kids. Why the fuck would anyone want to make marijuana sound like a dangerous drug when it is in fact totally harmless and actually good for you?


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7835358 - 01/05/08 12:31 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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Then you're the type who would steal from his family to buy cds or any other thing you desire.

I've watched junkies die. I watched a friend lie convulsing on a couch with a stain on the backside of his jeans where some kind of mucus/shit was leaking from his anus. That's withdrawal from an addictive drug. Wishing you had a cool buzz isn't an addiction it's just wishing you had something you didn't. The anti-drug propagandists have been trying to sell the idea that marijuana is addictive for ages. I just can't believe it's caught on.




I can say with 100% certainty that I'm addicted to Marijuana. Are you calling ME a liar?

Just because something isn't PHYSICALLY addictive doesn't mean that it's not addictive. Cocaine and Meth aren't physically addictive. Are you saying THEY aren't addictive either?


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7835360 - 01/05/08 12:33 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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fact totally harmless and actually good for you?




Emphazema is harmless?


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: BrAiN]
    #7835382 - 01/05/08 12:37 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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Then you're the type who would steal from his family to buy cds or any other thing you desire.

I've watched junkies die. I watched a friend lie convulsing on a couch with a stain on the backside of his jeans where some kind of mucus/shit was leaking from his anus. That's withdrawal from an addictive drug. Wishing you had a cool buzz isn't an addiction it's just wishing you had something you didn't. The anti-drug propagandists have been trying to sell the idea that marijuana is addictive for ages. I just can't believe it's caught on.




I can say with 100% certainty that I'm addicted to Marijuana. Are you calling ME a liar?

Just because something isn't PHYSICALLY addictive doesn't mean that it's not addictive. Cocaine and Meth aren't physically addictive. Are you saying THEY aren't addictive either?




I'm calling you someone who bought into the bullshit and for some reason you want to believe you have some kind of serious drug problem. Maybe it seems romantic to you. People suck cock for coke and meth so they're really addictive.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: BrAiN]
    #7835393 - 01/05/08 12:39 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Pot doesn't cause emphysema.


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    #7835628 - 01/05/08 01:30 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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Pot doesn't cause emphysema.




You're right.. your lungs love having smoke in them. in fact... smoking pot makes your lungs work BETTER. Scientists have recently completed studies that show pot smoke causes happy pictures of lemondrops and sunshine to appear on users' lungs.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7835635 - 01/05/08 01:31 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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Then you're the type who would steal from his family to buy cds or any other thing you desire.

I've watched junkies die. I watched a friend lie convulsing on a couch with a stain on the backside of his jeans where some kind of mucus/shit was leaking from his anus. That's withdrawal from an addictive drug. Wishing you had a cool buzz isn't an addiction it's just wishing you had something you didn't. The anti-drug propagandists have been trying to sell the idea that marijuana is addictive for ages. I just can't believe it's caught on.




I can say with 100% certainty that I'm addicted to Marijuana. Are you calling ME a liar?

Just because something isn't PHYSICALLY addictive doesn't mean that it's not addictive. Cocaine and Meth aren't physically addictive. Are you saying THEY aren't addictive either?




I'm calling you someone who bought into the bullshit and for some reason you want to believe you have some kind of serious drug problem. Maybe it seems romantic to you. People suck cock for coke and meth so they're really addictive.




Whoever said I had a SERIOUS drug problem? Or a problem at all? I'm not calling it a problem. I'm just staying I'm addicted. When I constantly crave it.. are you saying that the government has TRICKED me into thinking I crave it?

I don't think there's anything romantic about it. You must think I'm some 18 year old dorky goth that wears marilyn manson tshirts. For someone who tries to act very intelligent, you sure make a lot of generalizations about people you haven't met.

You also admit coke and meth are addictive, but they're technically not physically addictive. You just said that physical addictions can only be real addictions... you just contradicted yourself hardcore and proved that you don't know what in God's name you're talking about.

Do the shroomery a favor and get off your high horse.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: BrAiN]
    #7835662 - 01/05/08 01:38 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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You also admit coke and meth are addictive, but they're technically not physically addictive. You just said that physical addictions can only be real addictions... you just contradicted yourself hardcore and proved that you don't know what in God's name you're talking about.

Do the shroomery a favor and get off your high horse.



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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Muppet]
    #7835667 - 01/05/08 01:39 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

this whole dispute has become nothing but asinine wordplay anyway  :lol:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Muppet]
    #7835693 - 01/05/08 01:47 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

i wanna get high.:cool:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Muppet]
    #7835983 - 01/05/08 03:06 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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this whole dispute has become nothing but asinine wordplay anyway  :lol:




well if your gonna discuss a topic, its nice to understand each other...

giant mushroom avatar guy just uses his own definitions of words as convieniant, cuz it makes him feel better to say shit like "marijuana isn't addictive".

I've allready provided evidence that marijuana does cause abstinence symptoms, and that addiction doesn't depend on these anyways as per current understanding of that word.

But he seems to think the lack of an observation (marijuana hasn't caused emphysema that can be demonstrated) is proof the phenomena can't occur (therefore marijuana doesn't cause emphysema).


Seems like an ignoramus to me, but whatever.

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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Muppet]
    #7836129 - 01/05/08 03:42 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said: People suck cock for coke and meth so they're really addictive.



Aparently sucking cock for something is what the definition of addiction really boils down to ;p

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this whole dispute has become nothing but asinine wordplay anyway  :lol:



Don't they always :lol:


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