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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Skunk420]
    #7827347 - 01/03/08 12:51 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

damn a year? good work.

mmmmm beeer and weeeeed:drooling:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7827350 - 01/03/08 12:53 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Alcohol really is addictive


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7827357 - 01/03/08 12:55 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

yeah id rather be a pothead than an alcoholic.:headbang:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: sam420]
    #7827363 - 01/03/08 12:56 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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sam420 said:
you wouldn't suck dick for a cigarette either but its still an addiction.




Actually, if tobacco was made illegal and had the same supply and demand dynamics as drugs like cocaine and heroin people would suck dick for it.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7827381 - 01/03/08 01:02 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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sam420 said:
you wouldn't suck dick for a cigarette either but its still an addiction.




Actually, if tobacco was made illegal and had the same supply and demand dynamics as drugs like cocaine and heroin people would suck dick for it.



Someday.. :tongue:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7827398 - 01/03/08 01:07 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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sam420 said:
you wouldn't suck dick for a cigarette either but its still an addiction.




Actually, if tobacco was made illegal and had the same supply and demand dynamics as drugs like cocaine and heroin people would suck dick for it.




Nah, they wouldn't. I know lots of people that smoke cigarettes and they wouldn't suck a dick to aquire illegal tobacco. Some people would suck dick for a McDonalds though so I guess it depends who you are. But I digress....


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7827408 - 01/03/08 01:10 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
Alcohol really is addictive


.,.oh no joke either, i cant go a day without a beer. Alcohol is my deamon still, that is why i dont mind smoking pot everyday too.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7827429 - 01/03/08 01:15 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

again, there is a difference between addiction and tolerance/dependance.
Marijuana causes both, but you seem to be arguing that it isn't addictive because it doesn't cause much abstinance syndroms compared to other drugs.

If you want to have a conversation about this, conform to the defintion of the words.

"An addiction is a recurring compulsion by an individual to engage in some specific activity, despite harmful consequences to the individual's health, mental state or social life." wikipedia, unsourced, but similar to dsm def.

your arguments are off-point, or you are using an unfamiliar definition of the word addiction


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: johnm214]
    #7827890 - 01/03/08 03:06 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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again, there is a difference between addiction and tolerance/dependance.
Marijuana causes both, but you seem to be arguing that it isn't addictive because it doesn't cause much abstinance syndroms compared to other drugs.

If you want to have a conversation about this, conform to the defintion of the words.

"An addiction is a recurring compulsion by an individual to engage in some specific activity, despite harmful consequences to the individual's health, mental state or social life." wikipedia, unsourced, but similar to dsm def.

your arguments are off-point, or you are using an unfamiliar definition of the word addiction




Did you learn how to define terms in college?


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7827940 - 01/03/08 03:18 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

What's the difference? Even if you're arguing marijuana doesn't cause withdrawal symptoms, you're wrong. There's a plethora of animal studies showing this, and plenty of human data:

"Although marijuana is the most commonly used illicit drug in the United States, it is not established whether withdrawal from chronic use results in a clinically significant abstinence syndrome. The present study was conducted to characterize symptoms associated with marijuana withdrawal following chronic use during a supervised 28-day abstinence period. Three groups of participants were studied: (a) current chronic marijuana users, (b) former chronic marijuana users who had not used marijuana for at least 6 months prior to the study, and (c) marijuana nonusers. Current users experienced significant increases in anxiety, irritability, physical tension, and physical symptoms and decreases in mood and appetite during marijuana withdrawal. These symptoms were most pronounced during the initial 10 days of abstinence, but some were present for the entire 28-day withdrawal period. These findings support the notion of a marijuana withdrawal syndrome in humans." See:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&uid=11127420&cmd=showdetailview&indexed=google


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: johnm214]
    #7828124 - 01/03/08 04:00 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

dot gov says it all

A little horse sense and experience is all you need to know that it's not addictive.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7828335 - 01/03/08 04:54 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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dot gov says it all

A little horse sense and experience is all you need to know that it's not addictive.



It all boils down to one's definition of 'addictive' thou. I mean I wouldn't call it addictive, but are there definite withdrawals after extensive regular smoking? Definitely. For some thats an addiction.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: The_Ghost]
    #7828554 - 01/03/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

so basically what it comes down to is that shit like that simply rolls off of some people's backs...and other's are more pussies about it, right?


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Muppet]
    #7828592 - 01/03/08 06:11 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

I definitely think pot can be addictive to some people, me being one of them. i mean i used to steal money from my parents to get more weed. my life revolved around it.

if you have a family history of addiction or have some sort of child trauma then you can definitely become an addict to pot, ESPECIALLY if you mix it with other drugs/alcohol. why is this such a hard concept to accept? :crankey:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7828639 - 01/03/08 06:22 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Then you're the type who would steal from his family to buy cds or any other thing you desire.

I've watched junkies die. I watched a friend lie convulsing on a couch with a stain on the backside of his jeans where some kind of mucus/shit was leaking from his anus. That's withdrawal from an addictive drug. Wishing you had a cool buzz isn't an addiction it's just wishing you had something you didn't. The anti-drug propagandists have been trying to sell the idea that marijuana is addictive for ages. I just can't believe it's caught on.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Muppet]
    #7828658 - 01/03/08 06:25 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

DXM can be helpful with some withdrawal to certain substances. If I remember correctly it was used for Heroin addiction at one point.
Here is something helpful from the DXM faq by William White

4.15.4 DXM for Drug Addiction



DXM, as well as other dissociatives, seems to prevent and even reverse tolerance to (and thus physical addiction to) many drugs. In the case of opiates, DXM has been used to treat withdrawal symptoms (169). DXM plus diazepam (ValiumTM) was tested and found to be more effective at combating the symptoms of heroin withdrawal (goose flesh, tremors, pupil dilation, joint pains, etc.) than chlorpromazine (ThorazineTM) plus diazepam (34). A further study verified this and found that adding tizanidine (an alpha-2 adrenergic agonist) to the DXM+diazepam cocktail was even more effective (133).

Dissociatives have also been found to reverse or prevent tolerance to cocaine (247), nicotine (249), and alcohol (232), and some researchers have suggested that DXM (and other NMDA antagonists) may be universally useful in most if not all drug addictions.


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7828671 - 01/03/08 06:27 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

now are we talking a physical addiction here, or a psychological one?

cause anyone could (in theory anyway) psychologically become addicted to pretty much anything...but just because you can't physiologically adjust without your crutch, that doesn't mean that you physically aren't capable to continuing on without it

unless, of course, you're just feeling the slightest little 'twinge' of physical withdrawal (which is, in fact, truly there...albeit only to a nominal degree) and your building it up in your mind to be way more then it actually is, just because psychologically you feel that you 'need it'



cause it seems to me that the *physical* aspects of withdrawal (even for long term chronic smokers) simply is not that big of a deal  :nonono:


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7828706 - 01/03/08 06:33 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Thats a bold statement. just how long have you known me?

i hope you realise you cant really figure out a person well enough THROUGH THE INTERNET enough to say what type of person they are, but thanks for taking a shot at it.


ah i hate debating.

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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: thoughts]
    #7828733 - 01/03/08 06:37 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

You just admitted you stole from your family to buy weed.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: DXM, and pot addiction. [Re: Muppet]
    #7828738 - 01/03/08 06:38 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

yes, its more of a psychological addiction.


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