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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7827208 - 01/03/08 12:16 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7827219 - 01/03/08 12:20 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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The debate is ABC, the forum is Fox, and Fox is definitely receiving a lot of critisicm from all sources for this one. :headbang:




That clears it up even more, and all the more shows Fox to have a GLARINGLY obvious bias towards Paul.

Hannity had Paul on his radio show yesterday and it was actually a pretty good and civil interview. You could hear Hannity kissing Pauls ass over the radio, though he still disagress with Paul on only "some" of his foriegn policy. Hannity now agrees with Paul on most every thing domestic and about half Foriegn.

Paul was just ripping into Hannity about not being a true conservative and hannity was jumping hoops quickly to save his face. It was awesome.

Anyone want the link? I should go get it. Paul made Hannity wet his pants when he used the word neocon. Hannity was like, " What do mean by neocon?" Paul reminded Hannity that Bush ran on near the same platform as Paul in 2000, then started explaining how certain Liberal Democrats started influencing the Bush Adminstration and agenda, resulting in todays neocon policys. Hannity was all flub, uh,  bub gasp, arg and then changed the subject quickly.


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7827238 - 01/03/08 12:24 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Glad to hear he is in the debate, wasn't sure how that was being done. Looks like fox news might be swallowing their shit and giving Paul the press he deserves as a front runner. They better boot one of them other tards and put Dr. Paul in a chair in the post debate trailer.


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7827259 - 01/03/08 12:31 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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We'll see in a few hours, won't we? :hehehe:




Yup. You and Rosetta can point out the inaccuracy of polls all you want...it has been neccessary language of part of every campaign I have worked on. All being for fringe candidates. And by fringe candidate I mean someone proposing to make radical changes (gutting the federal government, for example) aimed at obliterating the status quo. The fact that he has wealthy, generous supporters means little. When you have experience in this sort of thing you don't need polls. I still say only a small minority of American voters are going to get behind Ron Paul, you can point out as many things as you want to. You aren't going to change my mind.


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7827370 - 01/03/08 12:58 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

> Very accurate when Ron Paul is left OFF the list of options to pick from?

That would be bias in the questions asked and not a problem with the science/statistics behind poll taking.  Is the concept of voting flawed because voting can be rigged?  In the same manner, the concept of polling isn't flawed just because a poll can be rigged.

> Ron Paul isn't Howard Dean. Show me the money. :wink:

Oh, I know.  But, I think the idea that his support is as virtual as Dean's is a comfort blanket for a lot of people.  We will know soon enough if my prediction above, with Paul coming in at 3rd, is good or not.  I'm guestimating between 19% to 21%.

> Give Seuss a semi-break for thinking Paul is just a 'virtual internet phenomenon" as he does not live in the U.S. and doesn't see the RP signs all over the place.

All true, except for the bit about thinking he is just a virtual internet phenomenon.  I was looking at it from the media's point of view, not my own.  I suspect he is going to stun a lot of people...


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7827376 - 01/03/08 01:00 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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Yup. You and Rosetta can point out the inaccuracy of polls all you want...it has been neccessary language of part of every campaign I have worked on. All being for fringe candidates. And by fringe candidate I mean someone proposing to make radical changes (gutting the federal government, for example) aimed at obliterating the status quo.




The mainstream media is covering the limitations of the polls of gauging his support as well. The official polls are saying that Ron Paul will place well. Your definition of fringe is not the way it is tradtionally used in regards to candidates. "an outer edge; margin; periphery: on the fringe of the art world." When they refer to him as a fringe candidate, it isn't as "on the fringe of the status quo", it is referring to his support. I had only naturally assumed this is what you meant. :shrug:

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The fact that he has wealthy, generous supporters means little.




Over 100,000 unique donors, with the average donation of $100? That's wealthy? You make it sound like he has a small amount of supporters all maxing out $2300 each. The fact that he does not accept special interest money compounds the fact that his money is far more representative of votes than anyone else.

It means everything. Candidates like Fred Thompson will drop off within weeks. Huckabee is strapped for cash. McCain is close to the edge if he cannot use his manufactured surge to win and get some cash, same boat as Huckabee.

It means Ron Paul is going to keep going through Super Tuesday whereas other "frontrunners" will have difficulty covering the basics of campaigning. A third place finish in Iowa coupled with an expected, better showing in New Hampshire is momentum, which will attract all the people sitting on the sidelines saying "I like Ron Paul but he doesn't have a chance so I'm not going to do anything to help make it happen".

Anyone who dismisses $20 million of nothing but voter money is using questionable judgement, even the mainstream media is quick to acknowledge what it means for Ron Paul's chances.

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When you have experience in this sort of thing you don't need polls. I still say only a small minority of American voters are going to get behind Ron Paul, you can point out as many things as you want to. You aren't going to change my mind.




Reality will do it for me. :smirk:


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: Seuss]
    #7827400 - 01/03/08 01:07 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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Oh, I know.  But, I think the idea that his support is as virtual as Dean's is a comfort blanket for a lot of people.  We will know soon enough if my prediction above, with Paul coming in at 3rd, is good or not.  I'm guestimating between 19% to 21%.




I knew you were just putting forth "why people think this about Ron Paul". :smile: My official prediction is second, although I'm more expecting third. If Ron Paul doesn't take first, we're hoping Huckabee takes it, because Romney taking it will give him momentum for New Hampshire, whereas Huckabee winning Iowa will not help him as nearly as much in New Hampshire as it will Romney. If Romney takes first in Iowa, he could sweep everything. The best thing for Ron Paul is for the race to stay split for right now, which is why Thompson leaving the race before New Hampshire could be a problem, as his support will go to John McCain, which would help him pose a threat in New Hampshire.

I think I stated that I think Ron Paul will take first in New Hampshire. If he does, and Romney doesn't take first in Iowa, then I still think he will... John McCain will probably take second. Too soon to speculate what will happen in the next set of states, but South Carolina should be favorable for Ron Paul, and we're going to ensure that we'll take Florida, snubbing Giuliani and ensuring that Ron Paul sweeps Super Tuesday. :thumbup:

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I suspect he is going to stun a lot of people...




Even the media is pulling their feet out of their mouths and saying as much. :smile:


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7827416 - 01/03/08 01:12 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

If these things don't come true (your silly Iowa and NH predictions) will you shut the fuck up and admit you have zero clue?


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7827442 - 01/03/08 01:18 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

It goes without saying, doesn't it? :smirk:


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7827446 - 01/03/08 01:19 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Of course, it'll be a lot easier for you to continue to go on and on without putting yourself up for the test. A little gun-shy after the last Congressional election, perhaps? :sherlock:


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7827513 - 01/03/08 01:37 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

So far, the only thing I have gone on and on about is .....Ron Paul is an Asshole and Has No Chance. And yeah, I did get surprised by the 1/2 vote majority the Dems got in the Senate. The House not so much.


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7827567 - 01/03/08 01:50 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Well, that is true, about what you are going on and on about. :smirk:

I hope, for the good of the country, that I kick your ass at this. :hehehe:


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7828051 - 01/03/08 03:43 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

> If these things don't come true (your silly Iowa and NH predictions) will you shut the fuck up and admit you have zero clue?

I certainly will, at least as far is Iowa is concerned. I haven't made predictions for NH; nor would they be any good without knowing Iowa first. I've put a bit of time into running numbers, looking at trends, guestimating reality versus media perception, etc, and I hope that I am close.

I was off on the Tea Party total, expecting around 7.2mil. Turned out that I underestimated the number of donors and overestimated the amount of donation per person.


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7830453 - 01/04/08 12:40 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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I hear some people say that he'll never be elected, So I ask you why?




Because he will receive insufficient votes to be put on the republican ticket, and if he runs as an independent he will be clobberred. It is only in the realm of the internet that Paul has considerable support. On the ground in individual states there isn't nearly enough. The unbridled optimism and enthusiasm of a minority of people is not strong enough to conquer the masses' apathetic submission to the entrenched two party system. That's democracy for you.




I think that pretty soon the media will have a bigger impact on influencing peoples opinions then the Television.


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7830471 - 01/04/08 12:45 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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One thing that cracks me up about the Ron Paul doubters is they say he only has "internet" support. What is the internet made up of? Are his supporters pixels now? Well let me clue you folks in: We are real people from all walks of life. People support Ron Paul. The internet is just a means of communication between people.

It has been soundly proven that the old polling system ranges anywhere from ineffective to rigged. To say that land-line phone polling voters from 2006 to get a realistic supporter percentage in this election as an accurate representation is laughable. Then you factor in things like cell phones, people fed up with the current state of affairs in numbers like never before the picture changes.

Now lets consider diebold voting machines which have been shown to have back door access to those with clearance. Diebold is a company who has greatly benefited from the bush admin and donated heavily to the 2004 election. Combine that with considerable claims of fraud from 2000 and 2004 we have serious reasons for doubting the authenticity of anything said in our media concerning elections.

THAT is american democracy for you.




I think you are deluding yourself. I wouldn't be upset if Paul received the republican nomination. In fact I would be jumping for joy. But as I see it he has a small number of supporters compared to every other single Republican candidate.

All the stuff you are saying, by the way, is exactly what supporters of fringe candidates say every election year. I should know because I was seriously involved in 2000 and in 2004 I worked for Howard Dean. You have to whip yourself into a frenzy so you tell yourself all of these optimistic fairy tales about innacurate polls and the media not taking into account first time voters or people with cell phones. I have heard it all before. Same crap, new fringe candidate.
In the end it is always someone like Dubya who is able to stand on top of the pile. In the words of Hunter S. Thompson "All politicians cheat and the winner always has blood on his hands"

I would be happy if I am proven wrong in the next three months, and you are proven right, but I don't think that it will happen :shrug:




I think so many people aren't going to vote for him because they think he will have such a small number of vote for him. this is why I'm voting for him. Stand Together! Dont not vote


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: navyseals101]
    #7830516 - 01/04/08 01:05 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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I hear some people say that he'll never be elected, So I ask you why?




Because he will receive insufficient votes to be put on the republican ticket, and if he runs as an independent he will be clobberred. It is only in the realm of the internet that Paul has considerable support. On the ground in individual states there isn't nearly enough. The unbridled optimism and enthusiasm of a minority of people is not strong enough to conquer the masses' apathetic submission to the entrenched two party system. That's democracy for you.




I think that pretty soon the media will have a bigger impact on influencing peoples opinions then the Television.





Where have you been!? Whereever i would surely like to get my ass a one plane ticket!


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7830541 - 01/04/08 01:15 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

If anyone votes for Hillary Clinton I will personally find you and nut tap you at the door when you answer. It will not be pleasant.



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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: Purple Mushroom]
    #7830600 - 01/04/08 01:49 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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I hear some people say that he'll never be elected, So I ask you why?




Because he will receive insufficient votes to be put on the republican ticket, and if he runs as an independent he will be clobberred. It is only in the realm of the internet that Paul has considerable support. On the ground in individual states there isn't nearly enough. The unbridled optimism and enthusiasm of a minority of people is not strong enough to conquer the masses' apathetic submission to the entrenched two party system. That's democracy for you.




I think that pretty soon the media will have a bigger impact on influencing peoples opinions then the Television.





Where have you been!? Whereever i would surely like to get my ass a one plane ticket!




shit, What I was meaning to say is that I think the internet will have a bigger influence on swaying the general publics opinion then the Television. We're the first generation to be raised up being exposed to raw unfiltered information where as the TV and news channels usually only displace the broadcaster's or programmers point of view


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: navyseals101]
    #7830617 - 01/04/08 02:14 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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shit, What I was meaning to say is that I think the internet will have a bigger influence on swaying the general publics opinion then the Television. We're the first generation to be raised up being exposed to raw unfiltered information where as the TV and news channels usually only displace the broadcaster's or programmers point of view




True that. we're the computer/internet/technology generation and RP definately dominates the internet/youtube/myspace/ect.

I'm gonna be there first in line on election day, voting for Ron Paul, and then I'll just cross my fingers along with the others (can't hurt) that justice will be upheld and freedom will prevail.


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Re: In regards to what people think about Ron Paul [Re: navyseals101]
    #7831523 - 01/04/08 10:45 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

True, i thought you just figured out that the tv is whats been influencing peoples live.

I misunderstood you and i apologize, alot of people say after iowa will never seen roll paul up there again.

I doubt that there are alot of state which the majority of the population is supporting ron paul.

BTW, what are the states that are doing alot of ron paul supporting?

I hear florida is one.


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