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GWAR
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Salvaging ruined PF jars (un-inoculated) Moisture content fuckup..
#7822866 - 01/02/08 08:09 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Ok, it was too early in the morning, shoulda been sleepin, not makin PF jars.. but i finally made myself do it, i'd been putting it off forever.
I couldnt find my half-broken veggie strainer that i usually use to set my jars upon, so i said 'fuck-it' and threw a towel in the bottom of the pot...
well, i wasnt paying enuff attention and the 5 bottom jar's moisture content got way fucked from boiling water splashing up, some of them not so bad.. but one especially is soaked.
I might be dumb enough to have fuct this up, but i know better than to waste spores in these jars.
They boiled for an hour... is there anything i can do to salvage the material? I was thinking of dumping them all out into a bowl, adding dry verm and a proportionate amount of BRF, get the moisture content right, and re-jar them, and boil them again..
or would i then be wasting even more time and material?
maybe i should just toss em.. but it would be a shame to have wasted those 5 jars worth of material.
well, im off to bed, someone please leave me a reply for mornin.
Thanks!
edit: i shoulda asked for a pressure cooker for christmas
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Edited by GWAR (01/02/08 08:20 AM)
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Re: Salvaging ruined PF jars (un-inoculated) Moisture content fuckup.. [Re: GWAR]
#7822876 - 01/02/08 08:20 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Ask yourself how much you spent on BRF and Verm. Ask yourself how long it would take to mix up a new batch, or go get more materials. The answer should be 'not much' and 'not long'
Now ask yourself, why risk wasting spores, and time, hoping these don't screw up.
A few hours regathering supplies/cooking + inoculation Versus A few days waiting to see if they work, when they probably wont.
When in doubt, chuck it out.
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GWAR
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Re: Salvaging ruined PF jars (un-inoculated) Moisture content fuckup.. [Re: DigitalNomad]
#7822886 - 01/02/08 08:26 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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ya i guess, eh. im just poor and lazy i suppose.
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Re: Salvaging ruined PF jars (un-inoculated) Moisture content fuckup.. [Re: GWAR]
#7822910 - 01/02/08 08:48 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Start over. BRF jars cost about twenty cents each to make. Spores to inoculate the batch are ten or more dollars. Do the math.
You can use perlite in the bottom of the PC or boiling pot. RR
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Re: Salvaging ruined PF jars (un-inoculated) Moisture content fuckup.. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7823235 - 01/02/08 11:08 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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> You can use perlite in the bottom of the PC or boiling pot.
Perlite floats... Won't work too well for that reason.
-FF
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Re: Salvaging ruined PF jars (un-inoculated) Moisture content fuckup.. [Re: fastfred]
#7823519 - 01/02/08 12:11 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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fastfred said: > You can use perlite in the bottom of the PC or boiling pot.
Perlite floats... Won't work too well for that reason.
-FF
Only if you add more water than perlite.
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Re: Salvaging ruined PF jars (un-inoculated) Moisture content fuckup.. [Re: christofchristof]
#7823950 - 01/02/08 02:22 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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christofchristof said:
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fastfred said: > You can use perlite in the bottom of the PC or boiling pot.
Perlite floats... Won't work too well for that reason.
-FF
Only if you add more water than perlite.
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GWAR
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Re: Salvaging ruined PF jars (un-inoculated) Moisture content fuckup.. [Re: Nibin]
#7825048 - 01/02/08 07:43 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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shit, thanks for the tip. i just got a big bag of perlite a few weeks ago too, wish knew this last night.
well, against my better judgement, and before i checked this thread for replies again, i shot up all the jars except for the one that was just soaked.. the others looked like they might make it, they didnt look too bad, and if i can remember correctly, i think ive had jars like these work, just take a lil longer.
i can always make more syringes, and i have lots already.
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Re: Salvaging ruined PF jars (un-inoculated) Moisture content fuckup.. [Re: GWAR]
#7825124 - 01/02/08 08:01 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Gwar, I made this mistake a couple months ago. I would not rely on the potentially waterlogged jars if I were you. Start a new batch in parallel with these if you have more jars to use. Yes the wet jars MIGHT colonize, they also probably will colonize much slower, have much lower yield, and more likely to get contaminated. It's pretty much not worth your time.
I just went through this experience followed by another batch that did not get soaked. It was like the difference between night and day.
Edited by Doomhammer (01/02/08 08:02 PM)
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GWAR
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Re: Salvaging ruined PF jars (un-inoculated) Moisture content fuckup.. [Re: Doomhammer]
#7826305 - 01/03/08 02:12 AM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Ya, I immediatly followed all this with another batch that looks perfect.
so, no worries.  Thanks for the advice!
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Re: Salvaging ruined PF jars (un-inoculated) Moisture content fuckup.. [Re: christofchristof]
#7826311 - 01/03/08 02:17 AM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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christofchristof said:
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fastfred said: > You can use perlite in the bottom of the PC or boiling pot.
Perlite floats... Won't work too well for that reason.
-FF
Only if you add more water than perlite.
You got me there. Perlite is kind of messy though. It would be a lot easier to use just about anything else, like gravel or marbles.
Edited by fastfred (01/03/08 04:56 PM)
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Re: Salvaging ruined PF jars (un-inoculated) Moisture content fuckup.. [Re: fastfred]
#7826463 - 01/03/08 05:15 AM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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As long as there not soaking they may be ok, my first couple of batches were on the wet side, they colinised, but took almost a month, particularly the the 2 jars i used that were a little bigger than half pint.
1 of them stalled, the bottom inch didint colinise, so i simply removed the uncolinised portion, they fruited fine.
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