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Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK]
    #7820999 - 01/01/08 06:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief
January 1, 2008 - telegraph.co.uk

A police chief came under fresh criticism last night after suggesting that the drug ecstasy is less dangerous than aspirin.

Richard Brunstrom, the chief constable of North Wales, made the claim as he repeated his call for drugs to be decriminalised.

Mr Brunstrom made a formal submission last year to a Home Office review advocating the legalisation of illegal drugs, such as heroin and cocaine. The Government rejected that call, but Mr Brunstrom yesterday kept up his campaign on the Today programme on BBC Radio 4.

"The prohibition regime does not work. It transfers billions of pounds of our money into the hands of organised criminals," he said.

"Legalisation and subsequent regulation of proscribed drugs is inevitable," he added, predicting that the change could come in 10 years' time.

The chief constable said that some illegal drugs were less dangerous than over-the-counter drugs including aspirin.

He said: "Ecstasy is a remarkably safe substance, far safer than aspirin. It is far less dangerous than tobacco or alcohol, both of which are freely available."

There have been more than 200 ecstasy-related deaths in Britain since 1996, according to the Home Office. An article in the British Medical Journal last year put the risk of death from using the drug as high as one in 2,000 for first-time users.

Mr Brunstrom won the broad support of his police authority last year for his views on decriminalisation, but the Government has repeatedly rebuffed his suggestion.

A Home Office spokesman said yesterday: "Ecstasy can and does kill unpredictably - there is no such thing as a 'safe dose'. The Government firmly believes that ecstasy should remain a Class A drug."

He added: "The Government is opposed to the legalisation of drugs which would increase drug-related harm and break both international and domestic law."

David Davis, the shadow home secretary, accused Mr Brunstrom of offering "simplistic and convenient solutions" to drug abuse.

He said: "One reason that the Government's drugs policy has failed in the past 10 years is because of the confused and ill thought-out attitudes of both the Government and some senior policemen.

"If you thoughtlessly downgrade cannabis or treat dangerous drugs as 'no worse than aspirin', you make a gift to the drug dealers and criminals who are destroying the lives of so many young people."

There have been several calls for Mr Brunstrom's resignation. A petition last year on the Downing Street website that called for him to quit received more than 3,000 signatures.

Critics have called him "the mad mullah of the traffic Taliban" because of his enthusiasm for speed cameras and his tough line on speeding.

In November, a police watchdog criticised the way he showed photos of a decapitated motorcyclist without the permission of the victim's family.

He has also investigated Tony Blair, the former Prime Minister, and Anne Robinson, the television presenter, for allegedly making anti-Welsh remarks.

Those inquiries led to nothing, and led to claims that Mr Brunstrom was misusing police resources.

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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: veggie]
    #7821460 - 01/01/08 08:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What an awsome police officer. Reckless drivers are more dangerous than people smoking joints, or dancing all night. And legalizing drugs is NOT a gift to drug dealers...this ruins their ability to make a living. That is how to stop drug dealers...make them pointless.
I really hope this guy keeps his job.

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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: fantastical]
    #7821588 - 01/01/08 08:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I really hope this guy keeps his job.



agreed!!

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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: AmblerG]
    #7822012 - 01/01/08 10:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Safer than aspirin my ass. Whens the last time you made out with your best friend, who happens to also be a guy, after eating aspirin? I rest my case.


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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: fapjack]
    #7822042 - 01/01/08 11:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Safer than aspirin my ass.  Whens the last time you made out with your best friend, who happens to also be a guy, after eating aspirin?  I rest my case.



Making out didn't hurt you did it? I rest my case :grin:


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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: AmblerG]
    #7822094 - 01/01/08 11:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know about less dangerous then aspirin... but oh well still nice to hear a police officer talking positively about drugs.

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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: fapjack]
    #7822110 - 01/01/08 11:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Whens the last time you made out with your best friend, who happens to also be a guy, after eating aspirin?




Empathogenic drugs like ecstasy can sometimes bring out latent homosexual tendencies, but for most people it's not a problem.

Maybe you should take more time to explore your sexuality, rather than having it pop out of the closet on you when you least expect it to.


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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: fapjack]
    #7822702 - 01/02/08 05:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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fapjack said:
Safer than aspirin my ass. Whens the last time you made out with your best friend, who happens to also be a guy, after eating aspirin? I rest my case.




What's more dangerous. Making out with someone of the same sex, or stomach ulcers and haemorrhages?


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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7822744 - 01/02/08 06:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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What's more dangerous. Making out with someone of the same sex, or stomach ulcers and haemorrhages?




Let's not go there. AIDS and STD rates amongst homosexuals make that a much less easily answered question than the rhetorical question that you intended to ask.


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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: fapjack]
    #7822764 - 01/02/08 06:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Safer than aspirin my ass. Whens the last time you made out with your best friend, who happens to also be a guy, after eating aspirin? I rest my case.





the E didnt make you gay. stop using it as an excuse.

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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: fastfred]
    #7822770 - 01/02/08 06:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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What's more dangerous. Making out with someone of the same sex, or stomach ulcers and haemorrhages?




Let's not go there. AIDS and STD rates amongst homosexuals make that a much less easily answered question than the rhetorical question that you intended to ask.


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From kissing? *giggle*


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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7822801 - 01/02/08 07:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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From kissing? *giggle*




You'd be surprised by the nasties you can pick up from swapping spit.

Exchanging bodily fluids isn't something to be taken too lightly. Herpes and HPV induced warts come to mind. Both can be orally transmitted and are permanent and incurable. Syphilis and gonorrhea can also be transmitted by mouth.

That's just the nasty STDs, there are plenty of other diseases, like mono, that are spread by kissing.


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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: fastfred]
    #7823383 - 01/02/08 11:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

hey man if you're gay don't blame it on ecstasy. be a MAN.

lol


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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: fastfred]
    #7824193 - 01/02/08 03:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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fapjack said:
Whens the last time you made out with your best friend, who happens to also be a guy, after eating aspirin?




Empathogenic drugs like ecstasy can sometimes bring out latent homosexual tendencies, but for most people it's not a problem.

Maybe you should take more time to explore your sexuality, rather than having it pop out of the closet on you when you least expect it to.


-FF




hahahahaha

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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: Atheist]
    #7824437 - 01/02/08 05:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You'd be surprised at how many people actually die of aspirin per year. He stated that since 1996 (year 2008 now, so thats 12 years), in a period of 12 years, there have been roughly about 200 deaths related to this drug.
But in ONE single year, as many as 8000 people have died using Aspirin.

So from that, I would definitely say that X is a FAR safer drug than Aspirin. If you abuse them, they will get you, but if you use them safely, than you will be fine. And thats with all drugs as a matter of fact.



Research Aspirin and drug related deaths if you don't believe me.


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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: ShroooomerToo]
    #7824867 - 01/02/08 06:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I was kidding, but seriously how the fuck can you say that ecstasy is safer than aspirin? Does aspirin effect the way you drive, do people cook aspirin in their basement? Do people sell aspirin mixed with meth? How many people have a heart attack after eating 1 aspirin? How many people get water poisoning on aspirin? I can go on and on, I'm not going to say aspirin is safe, but its fucking safer than an illegal drug with no controls whatsoever. Also, a lot of the people that die from APAP/NSAIDS do so because of user error. If you took ecstasy in large amounts everyday of your life, I doubt you'd be in any better shape than the idiot that washes down 20 aspirin everyday with a bottle of Jim Beam.
This police officer is a fucking idiot, he is not a pharmacologist and just because he read a wikipedia article on the dangers of ecstasy doesn't make him an expert. I'm sure I'm going to get flamed, but realize this, I still eat ecstasy and a lot of other drugs I know have dangers. I accept those dangers, and try to minimize them. Denying that the dangers exist is stupid, and will only worsen the situation.


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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: fapjack]
    #7824899 - 01/02/08 07:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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This police officer is a fucking idiot, he is not a pharmacologist and just because he read a wikipedia article on the dangers of ecstasy doesn't make him an expert




are you kidding? he's a police officer and i bet he's seen more people under e in various circumstances and its effects than you so what are you talking about?


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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7825025 - 01/02/08 07:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I could care less how many people he saw under the influence of E. I've been in the rave scene for almost 10 years so I bet I've seen more people then him anyway. It still doesn't make me or him an expert, the fact of the matter is that ecstasy might not be anywhere near as dangerous as some other drugs, it isn't safe. It has risks, which are greatly amplified by the fact that it is illegal. I really am curious as to how he came up with this conclusion anyway. Just because NSAIDs kill more people each year then ecstasy doesn't mean ecstasy is safer. You have to consider many factors. If you want me to break it down, I will, but common sense tells you that aspirin is much safer than ecstasy.


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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: fapjack]
    #7825112 - 01/02/08 07:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

every person is different so both of your opinions are really unimportant, at least imo. i trust him over you, if given a choice though.


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Re: Ecstasy is a safe drug, says police chief [UK] [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7825172 - 01/02/08 08:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Fapjack, since the cops statistics and reasoning aren't good enough for you, then you need to produce your own and not just keep talking out your ass.

We're arguing over something that is a plain fact and easy to prove one way or another. Deaths / Used doses = Danger. It's as simple as that, if you can't produce the data then you really need to realize how pointless it is to argue over such a simple statistical matter.

Now if the cop had said it was safer than alcohol or tobacco, we wouldn't need to argue over it because it is plain that both cause far more deaths per user than ecstasy.


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