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OfflineRonaldFuckingPaul
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Anybody here have a near-death experience..
    #7820987 - 01/01/08 06:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

they want to share? Or a friends I guess. Or just anything interesting to say about NDE's. They say NDE's occur when all brain functioning stops, which means there's something more to life that science hasn't proven yet but I think is on the right track..


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7820994 - 01/01/08 06:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

When all brain functioning stops life stops.
Simple as that. :shrug:


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7821147 - 01/01/08 06:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

YOUR life may stop. Your physical is no longer functioning, but that doesn't mean that life stops. Who knows what happens to the mind, soul, consciousness?


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7821178 - 01/01/08 06:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Who knows what happens to the mind, soul, consciousness?




Nobody.
SO why jump into conclusions?
By the information we have until now, we stop living when our brain stops functioning.
None of us here died to know if there's something beyond, and making assumptions doesn't help with anything.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7821186 - 01/01/08 06:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Who knows what happens to the mind, soul, consciousness?




Nobody.
SO why jump into conclusions?
By the information we have until now, we stop living when our brain stops functioning.
None of us here died to know if there's something beyond, and making assumptions doesn't help with anything.




That's why I'm asking those who have had first-hand experiences with an NDE.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7821197 - 01/01/08 07:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i have not.

but saying that everything just stops is also an assumption. it's a very limiting way to think.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7821202 - 01/01/08 07:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

NDE = near death experiences, not death experiences.
Near death as in close to dying, but not quite.
This is EXACTLY why I said that one can't have just and NDE when all their brain functions stop. One dies when this happens.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7821220 - 01/01/08 07:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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i have not.

but saying that everything just stops is also an assumption. it's a very limiting way to think.




I said that we don't know, but all the evidence that we have until now points towards the theory that LIFE stops when our brain stops functioning.
Also there is no evidence to sustain the existence of a soul.
Considering all that is NOT a limiting way to live, it only gives a better perspective on what we know, on what is reliable.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7821235 - 01/01/08 07:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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NDE = near death experiences, not death experiences.
Near death as in close to dying, but not quite.
This is EXACTLY why I said that one can't have just and NDE when all their brain functions stop. One dies when this happens.




Prove it


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7821242 - 01/01/08 07:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

In the physical realm that we are now in. I have to assume that every one else on this forum has had similar experiences that I have leaving the body.
We have barely begun to scratch the surface of understanding our minds and what our minds can hold. So obviously there is no evidence of what happens to our consciousness, but saying that life stops when brain stops... it's NOT as simple as that.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7821247 - 01/01/08 07:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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reeferaddict69 said:
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MushroomTrip said:
NDE = near death experiences, not death experiences.
Near death as in close to dying, but not quite.
This is EXACTLY why I said that one can't have just and NDE when all their brain functions stop. One dies when this happens.




Prove it




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_death


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7821260 - 01/01/08 07:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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In the physical realm that we are now in. I have to assume that every one else on this forum has had similar experiences that I have leaving the body.
We have barely begun to scratch the surface of understanding our minds and what our minds can hold. So obviously there is no evidence of what happens to our consciousness, but saying that life stops when brain stops... it's NOT as simple as that.




agreed, but I also agree w/ MushroomTrip in that he/she(r u a guy or girl?) states that we shouldn't be so adamant on things that have yet to be proven. But there are many many reports out there who have experienced this phenomena that are 100% sure that their experience was real. But obviously it doesn't mean it is real..but maybe it really was and they know it so who gives a fuck what other people may say.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7821277 - 01/01/08 07:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
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reeferaddict69 said:
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MushroomTrip said:
NDE = near death experiences, not death experiences.
Near death as in close to dying, but not quite.
This is EXACTLY why I said that one can't have just and NDE when all their brain functions stop. One dies when this happens.




Prove it





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_death




Wikipedia says your consciousness doesn't move on so I guess I'm wrong...:bow:


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7821278 - 01/01/08 07:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

who is to say what is real? With our technology, the only things we CAN prove are physical, but who is to say that is all that is real? I completely understand the concept, but science has yet to grasp the mind, which is just as real as anything else.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7821294 - 01/01/08 07:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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In the physical realm that we are now in. I have to assume that every one else on this forum has had similar experiences that I have leaving the body.





Where are you trying to get with that?
Personally I had lost of experiences like that. Still it doesn't prove that there is life after death. :rolleyes:
I am well aware of the fact that our minds are extremely complex and that we are highly suggestible.
Do you take the things you see when you trip as being real or do you consider them a product of your mind? A projection of your feelings and thoughts and symbols to the inner world?

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We have barely begun to scratch the surface of understanding our minds and what our minds can hold. So obviously there is no evidence of what happens to our consciousness, but saying that life stops when brain stops... it's NOT as simple as that.




Because this is what we KNOW.
Because it's important to discern between what exists and what could exist.
This is a philosophy forum and making this delimitation is imperative if we want to understand each other and make some sense of what is happening.
Bringing into discussion the existence of life after the brain stops functioning, angels, demons, fairies and all the rest is very entertaining and also can be the trigger to incredibly blissful experiences but have no validation. :lol: If you want to talk about these things without having them subject to critical thinking, I suggest that you visit the M&P forum.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7821308 - 01/01/08 07:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I personally haven't experienced a NDE, but one of my best friends has who is deathly allergic to bee stings.

She always carries around these shots in case she gets stung, but this day she had forgot. She was dead for about a minute and she earnestly believes 100% that she experienced that whole white light deal that everyone keeps talking about. She says that this white light gradually encompassed her more and more and she felt herself drifting off somewhere.

She doesn't think it was heaven or anything like that, but something beyond her comprehension. She does think that life continues after death in some strange shape or form.

Haha, that was a really vauge answer. It didn't happen to me and she had a hard time understand it herself.

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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: appleorange]
    #7821313 - 01/01/08 07:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I personally haven't experienced a NDE, but one of my best friends has who is deathly allergic to bee stings.

She always carries around these shots in case she gets stung, but this day she had forgot. She was dead for about a minute and she earnestly believes 100% that she experienced that whole white light deal that everyone keeps talking about. She says that this white light gradually encompassed her more and more and she felt herself drifting off somewhere.

She doesn't think it was heaven or anything like that, but something beyond her comprehension. She does think that life continues after death in some strange shape or form.

Haha, that was a really vauge answer. It didn't happen to me and she had a hard time understand it herself.

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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7821338 - 01/01/08 07:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Near death experiences occur when your brain produces DMT to help you relax, thats why some claim to see god or whatever might comfort them.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7821346 - 01/01/08 07:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Stating that my opinions don't belong in this forum just shows how much you're closing them off.
how do you KNOW what you know? Just because you don't KNOW something doesn't mean it's not there.
I think the only difference of what exists and what could exist is if it exists in THIS reality. I think what exists in the mind is still existing, on another level, alternate reality, (whatever words you choose to describe this) etc.


i will have to consider this later because there is a knock on my door.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7821440 - 01/01/08 08:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've ODed and my breathing completely stopped for ~20 seconds.

Nothing happened, it was just like going to sleep.

Quite dissapointed. Perhaps you need to COMPLETELY die before something "special" (heh) happens.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7821485 - 01/01/08 08:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Stating that my opinions don't belong in this forum just shows how much you're closing them off.
how do you KNOW what you know?




The way I am arguing about you ideas shows nothing about what I believe, since this a discussion based on ideas, not personalities.
I hope you have the necessary understanding to make the difference between those two. :hehehe:
I said that if you are unable to sustain what you say and don't like having your ideas attacked, then the other forum is for you, since THIS forum is oriented to having all the idea subject to verification.

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Just because you don't KNOW something doesn't mean it's not there.




Also it doesn't mean that it IS. :wink:

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I think the only difference of what exists and what could exist is if it exists in THIS reality. I think what exists in the mind is still existing, on another level, alternate reality, (whatever words you choose to describe this) etc.




THIS reality?
I was not aware that there are more realities. :lol:
Perhaps you could inform me about the "other" realities. :sherlock:


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7821782 - 01/01/08 09:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know how you got the the point that I don't know I'm subjected to verification, or my ideas rather.

but do you seriously think that THIS, what we perceive right now is all there is in life? What about dreaming? What about the connection between us all? What about all the things that are not tangible? I do believe that I have tapped into alternate perspectives and that we all have the potential to do so... and have even done with out being completely aware of it.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7821785 - 01/01/08 09:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

and it's just as real as this physical reality... it is the intuitive, the spiritual side of us all, and so much more.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7821866 - 01/01/08 09:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

How did you get to the conclusion that there are more realities?
Perhaps you want to say that your perceptions make you feel this ONE reality as being split or multiple.

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I don't know how you got the the point that I don't know I'm subjected to verification, or my ideas rather.




Because until now you didn't bring any proof to sustain them. :shrug:
Show me definite evidence for the existence of the after life and I am open to any kind of discussion.

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What about dreaming?




What about dreaming?

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What about the connection between us all?




You mean the feeling of connection! :tongue:
How do you explain the fact that while some people experience this overwhelming feeling of connection, others feel deep and strong feelings of alienation and separation? No doubt that they both feel as real as possible.
Wouldn't a more appropriate answer be because of our perceptions? Which are totally subjective and incomplete and unable to envelop the entirety of reality?

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What about all the things that are not tangible?




Such as? :confused:
For example, as I am typing this reply to you, I am looking out the window and I can see the building that's across the street. Due to the distance, it is not tangible for me right now. :grin:
Of course, I have enough evidence to sustain that it exists, and that people live, drink, eat and fuck in it. :lol:
Can you say the same thing about the things you are referring to?
Seems to me that those you are talking about are not only untouchable, but they also can't be seen, heard or measured. :strokebeard:
Correct me if I'm wrong.

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I do believe that I have tapped into alternate perspectives and that we all have the potential to do so... and have even done with out being completely aware of it.




Ahhh but so did I.
I still don't know what those experiences are.
I have experienced "death" on psychedelics.
Is this enough evidence to sustain that there's life after death? No.
Did those experiences (and similar ones) create a change in my life and attitude towards it? Yes.
Was it because of some kind of outside higher force? Not that I know of. :shrug: It is highly probable that not.
Were these changes created by me, by my decisions and reactions according to those experiences? Yes.

Need I go on any longer or did I make myself clear? :lol:


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7821924 - 01/01/08 10:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well it seems to me that you're only looking at what is real through a logical way, which is good, it is very important for us to have that. I also think that the intuitive side of us is just as important, it is that side that brings me to a lot of assumptions, of course I know they are still just assumptions, but just because I can't 'prove' them with science, math, logic and whatever else we use as proof, doesn't make me rule them out because that's all I have to go off of when it comes to things like this. I also keep myself open to other's intuition, and I think if we all do this, we CAN put logic to it. But we're all so readily throwing out those ideas because it isn't already proven. How do we gain any knowledge like that?

Also, the connection isn't just a feeling, it is THERE, otherwise every living thing in the world couldn't live so perfectly together. We have the exact kind of atmosphere that is perfect for us to live in, and so on. the proof of THAT is all around you.

And yes, you can't see, touch, hear, or measure a feeling. That feeling is beyond the physical realm, but that realm is just as real as this one. So what makes you think that that goes on a lot further that you can measure?


You're laughing is kind of funny. I'm sure you love that feeling of thinking you're right.
What was that saying? The person saying truth is the one who makes the other SEEM false.
Not that I'm trying to say I am right, but I just think you need to open up a little bit more.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7821940 - 01/01/08 10:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7822032 - 01/01/08 11:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Well it seems to me that you're only looking at what is real through a logical way, which is good, it is very important for us to have that. I also think that the intuitive side of us is just as important, it is that side that brings me to a lot of assumptions, of course I know they are still just assumptions, but just because I can't 'prove' them with science, math, logic and whatever else we use as proof, doesn't make me rule them out because that's all I have to go off of when it comes to things like this. I also keep myself open to other's intuition, and I think if we all do this, we CAN put logic to it. But we're all so readily throwing out those ideas because it isn't already proven. How do we gain any knowledge like that?




Where did I say that it's good to rule them out?
We can gain knowledge through ANY means, if our purpose, our intention is to learn.
Before going any further, I would have to ask you to explain to me the fact that different people have different intuitions, regarding the same thing?
Doesn't it sound awkward to you?
You say you like to be open to your intuitions and to other's intuitions.
So what do you do when you happen to meet different and conflicting intuitions?
Now let's look at what intuition really means:

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in·tu·i·tion      /ˌɪntuˈɪʃən, -tyu-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-too-ish-uhn, -tyoo-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
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1. direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any reasoning process; immediate apprehension.
2. a fact, truth, etc., perceived in this way.
3. a keen and quick insight.
4. the quality or ability of having such direct perception or quick insight.




My my, look what we have here: direct perception of truth... immediate apprehension... a fact, truth :eek:
Indeed, grand words, but are they sustained? :strokebeard:
In order to establish if you had a real intuition, it must be verified. What are your means of doing so?

Everything we know, when it comes to functioning in this world, breaks down to logic. No matter how you turn it.
Even intuition, in order to make use of it's insights, must be subjected to logic.
Also I need you to explain me how exactly do you see logic limiting.
If it weren't for logic I am convinced that our race would have been long extinct.
It is a logical decision to keep an open mind about, let's say, life after death, this is exactly why I won't limit myself in stating that there's life after death. :wink: I won't also state that there's not life after death.
The most reasonable things to do seems to be admitting that we don't really have a clue.
HOWEVER, this doesn't stop us from making statements such as: life (as we know it here on planet earth) ends when our brain functions stop.

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Also, the connection isn't just a feeling, it is THERE, otherwise every living thing in the world couldn't live so perfectly together. We have the exact kind of atmosphere that is perfect for us to live in, and so on. the proof of THAT is all around you.




I think that, considering the "evidence" you provided, I would have to ask you what exactly do you understand by connection. :lol:
If you're referring to interaction, by all means, you're right.
If you're referring to something more (or less :tongue:) please state what.

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And yes, you can't see, touch, hear, or measure a feeling. That feeling is beyond the physical realm, but that realm is just as real as this one. So what makes you think that that goes on a lot further that you can measure?




A feeling can't be measured but it's effects can. :hehehe:
For example, I have deep feelings of love for my sweet heart, and the effects of that are me wanting to be with him, :heartpump: and kiss him all the time, and never let him leave the bed :yesnod:, and the intention of experiencing this life (in all it's aspects) together. :yinyang:

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You're laughing is kind of funny. I'm sure you love that feeling of thinking you're right.




Here's a prove of how erroneous your intuition may be. :lol:
This is merely a refection of your own ideas, which doesn't resonate with reality in any way.

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What was that saying? The person saying truth is the one who makes the other SEEM false.




I would very much prefer if we focused in discussing ideas instead of examining each other's personalities. Also I would appreciate if you managed to maintain your lucidity and don't get emotional over the use of some emoticons. :smirk:

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Not that I'm trying to say I am right, but I just think you need to open up a little bit more.




Ohhh I am open all right! :naughty:


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7822043 - 01/01/08 11:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:popcorn: #2


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    #7822057 - 01/01/08 11:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My my if it's not a popcorn party. :smirk:
Gimmie some of those :lol:
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    #7822058 - 01/01/08 11:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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What about all the things that are not tangible?




Such as? :confused:
For example, as I am typing this reply to you, I am looking out the window and I can see the building that's across the street. Due to the distance, it is not tangible for me right now. :grin:
Of course, I have enough evidence to sustain that it exists, and that people live, drink, eat and fuck in it. :lol:
Can you say the same thing about the things you are referring to?
Seems to me that those you are talking about are not only untouchable, but they also can't be seen, heard or measured. :strokebeard:
Correct me if I'm wrong.





As you type you are making, from the physical perspective, arbitrary marks representing abstract ideas and concepts understandible only to another similar ape. You are offering a virtual landscape of mental imagery and phenomena of a non-physical, completely intangible nature.

Where does our language take place? Where does our daily consciousness take place?

You'll have at least as much trouble arguing that it's completely contained in our physical brains and bodies as I will that it's not.

Either way we cannot touch, measure or understand things of the mental realm in the same ways we attempt to understand things here in concrete reality.

Similarly, the completely subjective nature of consciousness demonstrates its separation from the physical world.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7822483 - 01/02/08 02:24 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

I think we're all near death all the time, at least many people's souls are near death...I think Durden said it best when he said he had a near life experience.


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    #7823817 - 01/02/08 01:34 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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Well it seems to me that you're only looking at what is real through a logical way, which is good, it is very important for us to have that. I also think that the intuitive side of us is just as important, it is that side that brings me to a lot of assumptions, of course I know they are still just assumptions, but just because I can't 'prove' them with science, math, logic and whatever else we use as proof, doesn't make me rule them out because that's all I have to go off of when it comes to things like this. I also keep myself open to other's intuition, and I think if we all do this, we CAN put logic to it. But we're all so readily throwing out those ideas because it isn't already proven. How do we gain any knowledge like that?




Where did I say that it's good to rule them out?
We can gain knowledge through ANY means, if our purpose, our intention is to learn.
Before going any further, I would have to ask you to explain to me the fact that different people have different intuitions, regarding the same thing?
Doesn't it sound awkward to you?
You say you like to be open to your intuitions and to other's intuitions.
So what do you do when you happen to meet different and conflicting intuitions?
Now let's look at what intuition really means:

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in·tu·i·tion      /ˌɪntuˈɪʃən, -tyu-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-too-ish-uhn, -tyoo-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun

1. direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any reasoning process; immediate apprehension.
2. a fact, truth, etc., perceived in this way.
3. a keen and quick insight.
4. the quality or ability of having such direct perception or quick insight.




My my, look what we have here: direct perception of truth... immediate apprehension... a fact, truth :eek:
Indeed, grand words, but are they sustained? :strokebeard:
In order to establish if you had a real intuition, it must be verified. What are your means of doing so?

Everything we know, when it comes to functioning in this world, breaks down to logic. No matter how you turn it.
Even intuition, in order to make use of it's insights, must be subjected to logic.
Also I need you to explain me how exactly do you see logic limiting.
If it weren't for logic I am convinced that our race would have been long extinct.
It is a logical decision to keep an open mind about, let's say, life after death, this is exactly why I won't limit myself in stating that there's life after death. :wink: I won't also state that there's not life after death.
The most reasonable things to do seems to be admitting that we don't really have a clue.
HOWEVER, this doesn't stop us from making statements such as: life (as we know it here on planet earth) ends when our brain functions stop.

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Also, the connection isn't just a feeling, it is THERE, otherwise every living thing in the world couldn't live so perfectly together. We have the exact kind of atmosphere that is perfect for us to live in, and so on. the proof of THAT is all around you.




I think that, considering the "evidence" you provided, I would have to ask you what exactly do you understand by connection. :lol:
If you're referring to interaction, by all means, you're right.
If you're referring to something more (or less :tongue:) please state what.

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And yes, you can't see, touch, hear, or measure a feeling. That feeling is beyond the physical realm, but that realm is just as real as this one. So what makes you think that that goes on a lot further that you can measure?




A feeling can't be measured but it's effects can. :hehehe:
For example, I have deep feelings of love for my sweet heart, and the effects of that are me wanting to be with him, :heartpump: and kiss him all the time, and never let him leave the bed :yesnod:, and the intention of experiencing this life (in all it's aspects) together. :yinyang:

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You're laughing is kind of funny. I'm sure you love that feeling of thinking you're right.




Here's a prove of how erroneous your intuition may be. :lol:
This is merely a refection of your own ideas, which doesn't resonate with reality in any way.

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What was that saying? The person saying truth is the one who makes the other SEEM false.




I would very much prefer if we focused in discussing ideas instead of examining each other's personalities. Also I would appreciate if you managed to maintain your lucidity and don't get emotional over the use of some emoticons. :smirk:

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Not that I'm trying to say I am right, but I just think you need to open up a little bit more.




Ohhh I am open all right! :naughty:





Your example with the effects of feelings being measured, is completely ridiculous, that has nothing to do with the reality of those feelings.. with out action.
Also, your pattern of debate is ridiculous because you jump to conclusions of one's words to quickly AND, you're never straight to the point, instead you choose to distract.
AND: your emoticons are ridiculous, apparently the emotion is from you, YOUR the one using them, what the hell else are they for?

This is all why I'm done arguing with you


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7823848 - 01/02/08 01:43 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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Your example with the effects of feelings being measured, is completely ridiculous, that has nothing to do with the reality of those feelings.. with out action.




This doesn't make any sense what so ever.

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Also, your pattern of debate is ridiculous because you jump to conclusions of one's words to quickly AND, you're never straight to the point, instead you choose to distract.




No, I choose to point out the inadequacies in your replies.
I am sorry if this hurts your feelings because the thread did not go into the direction you intended. I told you to visit M&P :wink:

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AND: your emoticons are ridiculous, apparently the emotion is from you, YOUR the one using them, what the hell else are they for?




Awww poor baby! :smirk:

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This is all why I'm done arguing with you




You never started my darling :naughty:


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7823869 - 01/02/08 01:53 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

baby, darling... I don't argue for the sake of arguing, I would only debate to share ideas and gain more. From you, I get nothing, just a closed off mind.:strokebeard:    :strokebeard:
:strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard: :lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:




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    #7823921 - 01/02/08 02:11 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: soulcircus]
    #7823937 - 01/02/08 02:18 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Yes, but can you state for sure that THIS is what death is actually like?


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7823956 - 01/02/08 02:24 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Tactic #48: If a poster does not respond as one wishes, try the "You sure are close-minded!" approach.

How totally novel! :rolleyes:


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    #7823971 - 01/02/08 02:32 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

yeah, you're right. responses like 'aww poor baby' are not the kind I like. Anything else with any kind of intellect I am open to.


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7824063 - 01/02/08 02:59 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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Yes, but can you state for sure that THIS is what death is actually like?



I think it's also about escaping death. Near death :smile: And that what does brings some contrast...LIFE :heart:
It depends on how far one really was gone...

To thread: IDK, always and never, sometimes more and sometimes less with some extremes inbetween...:crazy:


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    #7824319 - 01/02/08 04:22 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

EXACTLY a year ago, I had an NDE.
I have experienced several times that feeling of dying, of letting go and "becoming one", on mushrooms and acid.
This time it wasn't that. I was very close to dying and it felt like death. I could actually feel death being near me and I felt it so alive I could almost smell it.
After getting over that initial feeling of fear, I had a realization: that if I wanted to remain alive (which I did), I had to preserve every drop of energy that I had and panicking was taking me a lot from that.
It's amazing to experience that instinct of self preservation like that. It was like I was entering in this auto-pilot mode where all I could feel was an overwhelming peace. Not bliss, not any other jumpy feeling, no feeling of oneness, nothing else but pure peace. And something that I defined as being death that was near me. I think I have never been so lucid in my life, because, besides feeling like dying I also felt SO much alive.
I went ok out of that situation.
Do I associate the idea of death with that experience? I surely do. But I also associate it with those moments of "ego death" that I feel with psychedelics, and which like I already stated, feels TOTALLY different.
This only leaves me thinking that maybe none of those experiences are death. And that perhaps it is not even what's important.
That experience that I had has surely changed something big inside of me, including my death anxiety which is not that intense anymore. Along with it, came the realization that I LOVE to live and to feel this life, I love being curious about it and I would love to stay here for quite a good while. :heart:
Why limit ourselves to an idea regarding death (no matter how convincing it might sound and feel), when there are endless possibilities and what it's obvious that we know so little? Why write books about life after death and lost relatives which are trying to contact us through the realm of death? Why create false hope?
Is it so hard to see that, by doing that, we're actually working against ourselves? :tongue:


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    #7825243 - 01/02/08 08:25 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

On a High dose of mushrooms while deppressed i FREAKED the fuck out. I deserved everything that happened to me and it was a great reminder to treat every drug with respect.

ANYWAY. While i freaked out and running outside, I jumped on a police car.......that had a cop INSIDE IT!

I guess I should call this a Near Life Experiance because in my mind i "was" Dead and it was the way for me to live again.

While in "Survival" mode.....humans have 2 options. You can either fight or Flight. I dont need to say which one i choose to do.

All i wanna say is this. When humans are Truley facing "Death" It is no joke what the human body and mind can withstand. I took 3 Tasers....batton hits to the face, and punches from what had to be the biggest cop in southern california. Each time i got right back to my feet to continue "What i was doing".

I felt every ounce of pain there was. But when humans need lots of determination, nothing activates your inner beast like a "Threat to you life".



No idea if thats off topic or not but hope it helps


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7825254 - 01/02/08 08:28 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Good realizations :thumbup:


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7825258 - 01/02/08 08:28 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

No idea if thats off topic or not but hope it helps

It helps me realize that some people need a sitter when they trip.:lol:


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Re: Anybody here have a near-death experience.. [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7825672 - 01/02/08 10:06 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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they want to share? Or a friends I guess. Or just anything interesting to say about NDE's. They say NDE's occur when all brain functioning stops, which means there's something more to life that science hasn't proven yet but I think is on the right track..




I once had a Near Life Experience!

Does that count?


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