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    #7820468 - 01/01/08 03:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hi, I've been reading and reading and haven't found an answer to some of my silly questions. first off, heres my story. i inoculated 12 jars. 3 of them nothing happened to. 2 I had to throw away. 5 are still incubating. and 1 is in the FC

i have 2 questions:

1) about the bunch still in the incubator. I flipped them upside down to help the CO2 levels, or something like that I read. Was this a good idea?

2) I think I birthed the one cake too early. it was already pinning a little and was fully colonized. I birthed it on friday. Its pinning, but the pins are small. oh yeah, i dunked it in the fridge but didn't case it or roll it. Would it be a good Idea to take off all the pins now and roll it in some wet verm? or should I just let it grow? Don't shrooms grow fast when they are good?

I have an aquarium with wet perlite on the bottom. I'm just using regular 50 watt bulb for lighting. i also have a water pump with those things you blow bubbles with in the fish tanks. Basically, i constructed the poor man's terrarium on this site.

Any help would be great! thanks.


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Re: new to the forum, newbie question [Re: da_dao]
    #7820494 - 01/01/08 03:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Don't pick off the pins and don't expect big fruits for your first grow either; the pins and full fruits are probably going to be smaller than you expected. If the cake was already pining and fully colonized, you didn't birth it too early, if anything maybe a tad late but it will still be fine.

As for flipping the jars. Doesnt hurt, might help. I had 4 jars that were stalled and then they promptly finished after flipping them over.


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Re: new to the forum, newbie question [Re: da_dao]
    #7820613 - 01/01/08 04:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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da_dao said:
Hi, I've been reading and reading and haven't found an answer to some of my silly questions. first off, heres my story. i inoculated 12 jars. 3 of them nothing happened to. 2 I had to throw away. 5 are still incubating. and 1 is in the FC

i have 2 questions:

1) about the bunch still in the incubator. I flipped them upside down to help the CO2 levels, or something like that I read. Was this a good idea?

2) I think I birthed the one cake too early. it was already pinning a little and was fully colonized. I birthed it on friday. Its pinning, but the pins are small. oh yeah, i dunked it in the fridge but didn't case it or roll it. Would it be a good Idea to take off all the pins now and roll it in some wet verm? or should I just let it grow? Don't shrooms grow fast when they are good?

I have an aquarium with wet perlite on the bottom. I'm just using regular 50 watt bulb for lighting. i also have a water pump with those things you blow bubbles with in the fish tanks. Basically, i constructed the poor man's terrarium on this site.

Any help would be great! thanks.




1) It will help with releasing CO2, Doesn't hurt.

2)You didn't birth to early, You could put some verm on the cake, but I wouldn't roll it now, It will bruise the pins and hurt it worse than it would help. Shrooms grow fast if the growing conditions are optimal.

Your set-up sounds nice, You might want to mist the sides of the aquarium a couple times a day and be fure to fan a couple times too. Cakes need more humitity, Like 95% is good.
Good Luck
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Re: new to the forum, newbie question [Re: mushies101]
    #7820615 - 01/01/08 04:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Btw, what strain you using?


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Re: new to the forum, newbie question [Re: mushies101]
    #7822878 - 01/02/08 08:21 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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da_dao said:
Your set-up sounds nice, You might want to mist the sides of the aquarium a couple times a day and be fure to fan a couple times too. Cakes need more humitity, Like 95% is good.
Good Luck
-Mushies101-




I've got this setup as well, works really great. I'm also using a fish tank heater to raise the humidity to 95-98%. Secondly, the fish tank heater can also be used to reach the ideal fruiting temperature (23-26 C) if the ambient temperature is lower than 23 C.
BTW, isn't 50 Watt too much? Doesn't it heat up your setup too much? My fluorescent light is only 15 Watt and it's pretty bright!


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Re: new to the forum, newbie question [Re: Nebula]
    #7822897 - 01/02/08 08:40 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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I've got this setup as well, works really great. I'm also using a fish tank heater to raise the humidity to 95-98%. Secondly, the fish tank heater can also be used to reach the ideal fruiting temperature (23-26 C) if the ambient temperature is lower than 23 C.




Heating your FC is going to lower humidity, not raise it. Anytime you have a warmer FC than room temp you are going to have sides that are cooler. They will condense out your humidity. A 5F temp difference and you will be down around 85%.


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Re: new to the forum, newbie question [Re: fastfred]
    #7822904 - 01/02/08 08:45 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Try moving your Fruiting chamber next to your heating, and wathc your humidity plumit.

Heat the room not your fruiting chamber. And dont have it too close to a heater either.

On another not, i have succesffuly fruited at 65F just fine, it might take a little longer.

I do remember a discussion a while back about the effect of temperature on density of fruits and possible cause of hollow stems. Some seemed to think that higher temps were more likely to have hollower stems, but thats a whole other topic.


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Re: new to the forum, newbie question [Re: da_dao]
    #7822914 - 01/02/08 08:51 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

da_dao ......

You didn't mention if you are doing 1/2 pint or 1 pint jars .... inverting jars does help. Many times the 1/2 pints finish up easy without flipping them.

The birth timing of the one jar sounds optimal. I agree with everyone. Provide high RH and the proper temps. and you will be fine.

After you harvest the first flush off the cake you will be amazed how light (in weight) the cake is (water depletion). Dunk it and roll it at that time and your fruits will be larger on the second flush.

Really .... with this web site you guys are so much better informed than many were.

Have fun .... this is a big learning process. I predict that you will be super excited about your next grow .... to tweak things here and there and to get it even better.

Have fun, good luck


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Re: new to the forum, newbie question [Re: fastfred]
    #7822942 - 01/02/08 09:07 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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I've got this setup as well, works really great. I'm also using a fish tank heater to raise the humidity to 95-98%. Secondly, the fish tank heater can also be used to reach the ideal fruiting temperature (23-26 C) if the ambient temperature is lower than 23 C.




Heating your FC is going to lower humidity, not raise it. Anytime you have a warmer FC than room temp you are going to have sides that are cooler. They will condense out your humidity. A 5F temp difference and you will be down around 85%.


-FF




That's not what the mmgg says: http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_mmgg.shtml#Tank_Heater

According to this tek it should raise the humidity by 5%.
Of course, you should submerge the fish tank heater in water. This will bring more water in the air (due to evaporation), thus raising the humidity. On the other hand, a higher temperature does lower the RH, you're certainly right about that. Now suppose the increased temp decreases the humidity by 7%, but the evaporation causes the humidity to increase by 12%, then the overall humidity will be increased by 5%.
My own humidity measurements confirmed this.


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Re: new to the forum, newbie question [Re: Nebula]
    #7823111 - 01/02/08 10:32 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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According to this tek it should raise the humidity by 5%.
Of course, you should submerge the fish tank heater in water. This will bring more water in the air (due to evaporation), thus raising the humidity. On the other hand, a higher temperature does lower the RH, you're certainly right about that. Now suppose the increased temp decreases the humidity by 7%, but the evaporation causes the humidity to increase by 12%, then the overall humidity will be increased by 5%.
My own humidity measurements confirmed this.




Raising the temp alone will decrease the RH for a bit, but warmer air holds more water and the humidity will equalize again fairly quickly. That is not the problem.

The problem is that you have warm humid air in your chamber while the walls on your FC will be colder. This causes condensation on the cooler surfaces which robs moisture from the air. A 5F temp difference will cause your FC to have a humidity of 85%. 3F is 90%. There is no way around that fact.

It's the same principle as a dehumidifier. They are simply cooling coils that pass the air over their cold surface causing the moisture to condense out. You really don't want to turn your FC into a dehumidifier.

I'm not really sure why people are still using bubbler setups. Perlite humidification is far superior and bubbler setups are very old-skool.


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Re: new to the forum, newbie question [Re: da_dao]
    #7823991 - 01/02/08 02:40 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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da_dao said:

I have an aquarium with wet perlite on the bottom. I'm just using regular 50 watt bulb for lighting. i also have a water pump with those things you blow bubbles with in the fish tanks. Basically, i constructed the poor man's terrarium on this site.

Any help would be great! thanks.




Am I the only one that has realized he is using a normal incandescent lightbulb for illumination?

That light is not correct, a) it produces too much heat so if it is anywhere near your FC it is a bad idea and b) the light it produces is in the wrong light spectrum for shrooms.

You want a CFL (compact flourescent, the energy saving bulbs) in the 6000K range, also known as daylight bulbs.


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Re: new to the forum, newbie question [Re: Nibin]
    #7828052 - 01/03/08 03:44 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

thanks for all the replies.
Thanks for the daylight bulb tip, I will get one of those.

my biggest shroom is about a 1/2 inch. Not very big. I'm sure the incandesent light was part of the problem. Also, the humidity levels are probably too low, although I can't find the humidity level checker I bought.
I would post a pic, but its nothing impressive.


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Re: new to the forum, newbie question [Re: da_dao]
    #7830041 - 01/03/08 10:36 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

I would suggest using a standard "cool white" fluorescent tube or CFL. You want the most output for the buck in the blue end of the spectrum. The higher the K value, the further towards blue it's average output is. Avoid REF (rare earth phosphors) lights as these have shitty linearity over the spectrum and are more or less useless for growing plants and probably don't work well for our uses either.

So if the higher K values are better then why am I suggesting cool white? Well it's because a cool white light will produce nearly twice as many lumens at the same wattage. Just because a light is more towards the blue end of the spectrum doesn't mean shit if it only produces half the light. You have to look at the light output in the spectrum of interest (blue). A more powerful light quickly surpasses a higher K light, and the difference between a cool white and a daylight bulb isn't that much in the first place.


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Re: new to the forum, newbie question [Re: fastfred]
    #7830049 - 01/03/08 10:39 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Heres the light i am using



Notice how it gives of a cool tint??


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Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
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Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek
Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub
Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek
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