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2FiNiTe
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: LayYouIn]
#7821019 - 01/01/08 06:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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so it really is a myth? good thing i've been pretty good at keeping my mouth shut.
Its not a myth. I'm not positive when this law was done away with but I know for a FACT that back in the 60's and 70's the law was that if you ask they had to tell the truth. I believe it was in the 80's that the law was done away with. But at one time this was a law that cops had to tell the truth when asked, but its no longer that way.
-------------------- "Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war that we know about peace, more about killing that we know about living." General Omar N. Bradley
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LayYouIn
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: Jadian]
#7821319 - 01/01/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jadian said: You wanting to make out with a hooker is almost as ridiculous as thinking they'd want to make out with you.
i never said that i wanted to make out with a hooker.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: 2FiNiTe]
#7821646 - 01/01/08 08:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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so it really is a myth? good thing i've been pretty good at keeping my mouth shut.
Its not a myth. I'm not positive when this law was done away with but I know for a FACT that back in the 60's and 70's the law was that if you ask they had to tell the truth. I believe it was in the 80's that the law was done away with. But at one time this was a law that cops had to tell the truth when asked, but its no longer that way.
That's not true at all. Don't give use crap about how you heard it from a cop or a lawyer or your dad or something. It's quite simply not true.
-------------------- Same thing happened to me when I played Neil Armstrong in Moonshot. They found me in an alley in Burbank trying to re-enter the earth's atmosphere in an old refrigerator box.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7821713 - 01/01/08 09:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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so it really is a myth? good thing i've been pretty good at keeping my mouth shut.
Its not a myth. I'm not positive when this law was done away with but I know for a FACT that back in the 60's and 70's the law was that if you ask they had to tell the truth. I believe it was in the 80's that the law was done away with. But at one time this was a law that cops had to tell the truth when asked, but its no longer that way.
That's not true at all. Don't give use crap about how you heard it from a cop or a lawyer or your dad or something. It's quite simply not true.
Havent you seen Blow. When he goes into the back room of Derek's salon. "Are you a cop?, You know you have to tell me, if not its entrapment" Hollywood never lies
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7821750 - 01/01/08 09:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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so it really is a myth? good thing i've been pretty good at keeping my mouth shut.
Its not a myth. I'm not positive when this law was done away with but I know for a FACT that back in the 60's and 70's the law was that if you ask they had to tell the truth. I believe it was in the 80's that the law was done away with. But at one time this was a law that cops had to tell the truth when asked, but its no longer that way.
That's not true at all. Don't give use crap about how you heard it from a cop or a lawyer or your dad or something. It's quite simply not true.
Havent you seen Blow. When he goes into the back room of Derek's salon. "Are you a cop?, You know you have to tell me, if not its entrapment" Hollywood never lies
Oh I forgot about that movie! It must be true, my mistake.
-------------------- Same thing happened to me when I played Neil Armstrong in Moonshot. They found me in an alley in Burbank trying to re-enter the earth's atmosphere in an old refrigerator box.
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LayYouIn
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7824912 - 01/02/08 07:07 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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KillerPicklez said: Havent you seen Blow. When he goes into the back room of Derek's salon. "Are you a cop?, You know you have to tell me, if not its entrapment" Hollywood never lies
seeeee. i've seen this in other movies. but then on cops, the cop told the old guy that it didn't matter that the undercover cop lied.
also, a girl at subway just ask me today "do you ever...", then imitated smoking a joint. i said i use to. informant? or am i just paranoid. i haven't smoked weed in a while.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: LayYouIn]
#7824919 - 01/02/08 07:09 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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What cop goes around busting people for smoking weed? You are just being paranoid.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: LayYouIn]
#7824945 - 01/02/08 07:16 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Movies = not fucking true
If you ask an undercover if they're a cop, don't expect them to say "shit guys, he asked if I was a cop, operation over"
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7824993 - 01/02/08 07:27 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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one time on acid i thought a room full of raver kids and djs were actually Freemasons guarding an interdimensional secret lay line. there were delicate little beings hiding about,
btw, i stole some of the secret, i still have it, its frigging real man! it's not actually stealing, i sorta made a copy of the pattern and hid it in a drawing. but take some acid or alot of shrooms and the drawing comes alive again
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: fapjack]
#7825011 - 01/02/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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fapjack said: What cop goes around busting people for smoking weed? You are just being paranoid.
I agree. The girl probably just wanted to know if you smoked LOL. Cops cant do drugs. So if the "undercover" does drugs with you, then you are safe.
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eeso
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: KillerPicklez] 1
#7825039 - 01/02/08 07:40 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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fapjack said: What cop goes around busting people for smoking weed? You are just being paranoid.
I agree. The girl probably just wanted to know if you smoked LOL. Cops cant do drugs. So if the "undercover" does drugs with you, then you are safe.
That's actually another common misconception.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7825047 - 01/02/08 07:43 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Wrong again, and thinking like that will land your ass in jail. Undercovers are practically above the law, almost anything they can do to bust you they can and will do. Once again, just think logically. Would the DEA abandon an operation because their snitch can't get high? More importantly, would they risk the life of their snitch because they can't hit a bowl?
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7825065 - 01/02/08 07:49 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Gastronomicus said: Wrong again, and thinking like that will land your ass in jail. Undercovers are practically above the law, almost anything they can do to bust you they can and will do. Once again, just think logically. Would the DEA abandon an operation because their snitch can't get high? More importantly, would they risk the life of their snitch because they can't hit a bowl?
My best friend was a "snitch" because he got into some problems in high school. It was something really stupid like stealing money from a gas station or something like that, maybe even just stealing from a gas station.
When he "wore a wire" he was not allowed to do any drugs. Period. They actually drug tested him. He would make up just about any excuse to not smoke pot and no one ever questioned him just said "I have a drug test for work coming up," "Im buying this for a friend," "I cant smell like weed in front of my girl," whatever it would be.
I hardly think my best friend would admit to being a snitch, but lie to me about snitch rules.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7825084 - 01/02/08 07:54 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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You're misconstruing my use of the word snitch. I use snitch to define any kind of rat, not just the cowardly type like your friend who bust people to save their own hides. In this particular circumstance (as you can probably tell from the thread title) I was using it to refer to undercover cops who are indeed allowed to use drugs.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7825107 - 01/02/08 07:58 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Gastronomicus said: You're misconstruing my use of the word snitch. I use snitch to define any kind of rat, not just the cowardly type like your friend who bust people to save their own hides. In this particular circumstance (as you can probably tell from the thread title) I was using it to refer to undercover cops who are indeed allowed to use drugs.
I apologize then. My best friend wasnt an "undercover cop" he was employed by the local task force as an "informant" they actually paid him for this shit.
He just came clean to me about a year ago, I guess it had been weighing pretty heavy on his conscious. He told me all kinds of tips and what to look for in informants atleast.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7825262 - 01/02/08 08:30 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Yeah, well cops treat informants like shit anyway because no one likes a rat so I could see him not being able to smoke while being a rat. Mind posting what he said to look for?
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7825302 - 01/02/08 08:38 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Gastronomicus said: Yeah, well cops treat informants like shit anyway because no one likes a rat so I could see him not being able to smoke while being a rat. Mind posting what he said to look for?
No, I dont mind, I dont even talk to him much any more. He's so paranoid now that hes nearly a hermit. He rarely leaves his house, its quite sad actually.
He just showed me where he wore wires. Like not just on his stomach which is obvious, but sometimes on a ball cap, or even something as simple as a recorder in his pocket. They tape some kind of device around his leg.
He told me that informants dont like to travel when they buy drugs, they are always under survelience and have some type of code word for if a situation gets sticky. his was "Gunney isnt going to like this." They also put something in an informants trunk called a "boomer" to help amplify sounds from inside the vehicle.
The best thing is, make them travel. They dont like to move, because they must have multiple people tailing them.
Shit, come to think about it, I havent even talked to him since about August.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7825318 - 01/02/08 08:43 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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do any of you, when not doing any drugs for a while(or ever while using drugs), think that certain people you met are undercover cops or police informants?
yes, while meeting up with a strange guy who bought spore prints from me. his first questions were "do you grow hallucinogenic mushrooms?/where do you live?/can you sell me some shrooms now?" and all sorts of other dumb questions so i got the feeling he had never been in contact with anything even remotely resembling the drug culture or he was a narc.
either way i instantly started choosing my words carefully, denied everything and just gave him the prints saying it was a gift.
bad vibes, bad vibes.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7825376 - 01/02/08 09:00 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Gastronomicus is right
1. There is the issue of standing. Just cuz the cop violates the law doesn't mean you can exploit the issue to get your case dismissed. You have no right to have the police identify themselves, not do drugs, have agents that don't do drugs, so you have no right to enforce a breach of any law (even if they do exist) w/ regards to the prior to your advantage.
2. There is the issue of what entrapment actually is, which someone previously charecterized.
3. Like the standing argument, suppresion of evidence must be related to a constitutional right of the defendants. Cops lieing doesn't implicate a constitutional right on its own.
Check out a sticky in the security and safety forum for citations.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: johnm214]
#7825388 - 01/02/08 09:02 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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And just to clarify...
say there is a law that "officer X must identify himself" so what? There are also laws that officer x must not use drugs.
What are you going to do about it? You have no remedy unless provided in teh statute itself, as your consitutional rights haven't been implicated. That the law has been broken in gathering evidence against you doesn't mean shit, except the prosecution can go after the cop if they feel like it.
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