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Police Informants and Undercover Cops
#7820118 - 01/01/08 01:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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do any of you, when not doing any drugs for a while(or ever while using drugs), think that certain people you met are undercover cops or police informants?
sometimes, i met people, and i just have a strange suspicion that they are somehow involved with the police. i make sure to treat them nicely and not say anything about the drugs i involve myself with. i will however tell them that i used to use drugs, but ill lie and say that i quit and no longer involve myself with them.
also, did you all know that police officers ARE allowed to lie if they are asked if they are police officers and are undercover? i watched cops, and this old guy ask an undercover police officer that was disguised as a hooker, if she was a cop and she said no. after he got busted, he said "she said she wasn't a cop" and another cop said "i know she said that, but she is a police officer, it doesn't matter what she told you".
is some kind of rumor spread by cops that they have to say that they are actually police officers?
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: LayYouIn]
#7820124 - 01/01/08 01:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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why the fuck would an under cover cop tell you he was under cover does that not defeat the purpose??
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: zSDMF]
#7820130 - 01/01/08 01:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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zSDMF said: why the fuck would an under cover cop tell you he was under cover does that not defeat the purpose??
im talking about if you ask. people have always said that if you ask a cop "are you a cop?" that they cop has to admit to being a cop.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: LayYouIn]
#7820152 - 01/01/08 01:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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it's like some kind of fucked up draconian "simon says" game. They would like you to believe that those are the rules, and they would also like you to believe that they have to abide by them.
What it comes down to is your right to remain silent is the only right you really have, and they can't take it away from you.... unless you're a terrorist.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
#7820168 - 01/01/08 01:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Faaip_De_Oiad said: it's like some kind of fucked up draconian "simon says" game. They would like you to believe that those are the rules, and they would also like you to believe that they have to abide by them.
What it comes down to is your right to remain silent is the only right you really have, and they can't take it away from you.... unless you're a terrorist.
so it really is a myth? good thing i've been pretty good at keeping my mouth shut.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
#7820171 - 01/01/08 01:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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then you get waterboarded like a ho.
no that's entrapment if they lie to you..
it usually wont hold up in court and you'll come out in favor..
it really depends on the offense though.
they can say that they might have to lie to maintain their own safety like if you ask "are you a fuckin cop? if so i'll fucking kill you right now"
circumstances like that.
any piece of shit cop can do it though and probably get away with it...
not that all cops are pieces of shit.
i think most of y'all are too paranoid.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: LayYouIn]
#7820174 - 01/01/08 02:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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LayYouIn said:
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zSDMF said: why the fuck would an under cover cop tell you he was under cover does that not defeat the purpose??
im talking about if you ask. people have always said that if you ask a cop "are you a cop?" that they cop has to admit to being a cop.
i know, if i was a cop and someone asked me if i was, when i was under cover... no way i'd tell. "hell no, are you?" would be my only reply. i mean, whats the point of going under cover if you have to go above the covers when people ask.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: im_on_a_boat] 1
#7820195 - 01/01/08 02:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is definitely not entrapment if the cops lie to you. Entrapment is defined as the police getting you to do something you weren't going to do (i.e. spending time convincing you to sell them drugs when you're not a drug dealer). Cops lie all the time, they're not legally obligated to tell the truth
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7820200 - 01/01/08 02:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gastronomicus said: It is definitely not entrapment if the cops lie to you. Entrapment is defined as the police getting you to do something you weren't going to do (i.e. spending time convincing you to sell them drugs when you're not a drug dealer). Cops lie all the time, they're not legally obligated to tell the truth
see, i thought they were legally obligated to tell the truth. is this some kind of misinformation that the police and government spread so that criminals think they have the upper hand when they dont?
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: LayYouIn]
#7820223 - 01/01/08 02:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it's just general ignorance that police take advantage of
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7820379 - 01/01/08 03:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't forget that regular people are used to wear wires as well.
It's pretty standard where I live for the cops to get someone who got into a little bit of trouble to wear a wire. A couple of people I know got busted that way.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: LayYouIn]
#7820393 - 01/01/08 03:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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LayYouIn said: see, i thought they were legally obligated to tell the truth.
Nope. It's perfectly legal for them to lie to you like that.
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is this some kind of misinformation that the police and government spread so that criminals think they have the upper hand when they dont?
I dunno about that, but it has been spread by the lawbreakers themselves.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: Le_Canard]
#7820406 - 01/01/08 03:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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"do what you gotta do".
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: Le_Canard]
#7820419 - 01/01/08 03:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ToiletDuk said:
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LayYouIn said: see, i thought they were legally obligated to tell the truth.
Nope. It's perfectly legal for them to lie to you like that.
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is this some kind of misinformation that the police and government spread so that criminals think they have the upper hand when they dont?
I dunno about that, but it has been spread by the lawbreakers themselves.
Exactly. I don't think it's police spreading those rumors so much as the general ignorant public that thinks a cop won't lie to them.
The fact is police will say just about whatever they can to get you to admit to being at fault for anything, it's basically their job.
However if a cop lies to you and then convinces you to commit a crime, THAT is entrapment. A cop saying "No I'm not a cop" and then watching you commit said crime is not.
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: LayYouIn]
#7820792 - 01/01/08 05:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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still dont understand why the people i see on Cops getting busted for buying hookers, dont first ask "wanna make out for a second?" and then discuss sexual favors for cash. an undercover cop isn't going to make out and it's not illegal to ask someone if they want to make out.
i guess im just a natural criminal...
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: LayYouIn]
#7820800 - 01/01/08 05:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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A hooker probably won't either though
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7820802 - 01/01/08 05:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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hookers have sex with strangers...why wouldn't one make out for a second with a guy?
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: LayYouIn]
#7820814 - 01/01/08 05:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The key is they do it for money, I dunno, it might work but I would think a dedicated snitch would go the whole way to incarcerate you
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: LayYouIn]
#7820821 - 01/01/08 05:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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LayYouIn said: still dont understand why the people i see on Cops getting busted for buying hookers, dont first ask "wanna make out for a second?" and then discuss sexual favors for cash. an undercover cop isn't going to make out and it's not illegal to ask someone if they want to make out.
i guess im just a natural criminal...
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Re: Police Informants and Undercover Cops [Re: LayYouIn]
#7820858 - 01/01/08 05:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You wanting to make out with a hooker is almost as ridiculous as thinking they'd want to make out with you.
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